Su-30 for Russian Air Force

4 more Su-30SM delivered to Domna (in two lots, first 3 then a single one), thus making the total to 10?
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700141.html

mack8 wrote:4 more Su-30SM delivered to Domna (in two lots, first 3 then a single one), thus making the total to 10?
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700141.html

It will be interesting to see increase in Su-30SM production until 2016. I expect 14 or even more to be delivered in 2014.

Whats going on with Su-30M2? are those delivered in full?

Only this exists from interfax military:

"Sukhoi Su-30M2 fighter jets to be supplied to Air Force units in Eastern Russia"

2 Su-30M2 to be delivered in the next few day to the Eastern Military District:
http://primamedia.ru/news/primorye/26.12.2013/325960/noviy-istrebitel-su-30-m2-v-blizhayshie-dni-postupit-na-aviabazu-v-primore.html

I am betting they will go to Dzemgi and serve as conversion trainers for Su-35S (of which there will be 4 squadrons), need to recheck my RuAF orbat, but that's in Habarovsk Krai right? I have yet to figure out  if these 16 will also cover for a future order or another 48 Su-35S (so you will have 8 squadrons each with 2 Su-30M2), or there will be yet another order. Plus, some sources give  2 (from the initial order of 4)  Su-30M2 serving at Krymsk together with the Su-27SM3s, and one each at two different units that i can't remember now (i suspect they are equipped with SMs, the Su-30M2 serving to familiarise those pilots with a digital cockpit, but need to check)

PS: Yes, according to the AFM orbat there should be one Su-30M2 at each Tsentralnaya Uglovya and Dzemgi  based Su-27SM regiments, but it's not confirmed.

And here they are ...   

KnAAZ military sends two new Su-30M2

I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear .

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear .

Naval Su-34? oO

flamming_python wrote:

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear .

Naval Su-34? oO

...Is that possible? Su-34 is a huge aircraft, even if theirs a variant with retractable wings there wont be much room for anything else.

I suppose it is possible - but is it desirable?

The MiG-29K is a very modern, multirole fighter that can not only be used to ensure the air superiority of a naval group (does Russian doctrine still not prioritize this as the most important capability for a carrier air wing?), but also to carry out strike missions and so on.
A naval Su-34 might increase this capability, but then it will take up room too that can be used for more MiG-29Ks, which are more versatile aircraft.

Guys, land based naval aviation, not from a carrier.

Su-24s are currently used from land, and need replacing.

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear .

I don't know for Su-30SM, but Su-30MKK, on which Su-30M2 is based already have all needed equipment modified for maritime operations and navigation, so no need to loose time for any modifications, just to build them and place them in fleets.

The naval version of the PAK FA can do a far better job than what a naval version of a SU 34 or SU 30 SM can do .

According to the procurement document of the Russian Navy no new Aircraft Carrier will be inducted before 2020 . By then a naval PAK FA would already have appeared . Until then the MIG 29K can do a great job .

Most Navies round the world lack long range cruise missiles that can be fired from either Ships or Submarines . Since, this is not a constraint for the Russian Navy there is no immediate need for a fighter/bomber like the SU 33 that can fly inside hostile airspace and bomb high value targets .

Su-30M2 from Dzemgi, not sure if the "old" 20 (del. 2011-with the Dzemgi regiment?) or a "new" 20 from the new lot? (thanks @Mix)
http://forums.airforce.ru/attachments/foto-video/52189d1389521636-20-00.jpg

Su-30MKI's and Su-30SM's OEPrNK-30MKI Electro-optic integrated fier-control and navigation system:

Only things I miss in Su-30SM are MAWS and LWR sensors like Su-35 have.

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear .

I've read somewhere, that NA considered Su-34 but didn't like it. I would guess, that armor, bombsight would be unneccesary, and also they'd probably prefer more AA capability.

etaepsilonk wrote:

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear .

I've read somewhere, that NA considered Su-34 but didn't like it. I would guess, that armor, bombsight would be unneccesary, and also they'd probably prefer more AA capability.

Agree. Those naval Su-30SM will not only do maritime patrols, but also defend naval base. That's why I think Russian navy need around 6 squadrons to defend all fleets and bases.

Among others things, Su-30M2 bort 40 from Tsentralnaya Uglovya. Got worn pretty quickly (considering it's only about 3 years old):
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/vladiss95/view/857806/?page=0

As for Su-30SM, if based at the Gvardeyskoye base in Ukraine, would the combat radius cover Romania? Thanks.
PS: The distance seems to be about 600km to Bucharest, so that would be well within range.

mack8 wrote:As for Su-30SM, if based at the Gvardeyskoye base in Ukraine, would the combat radius cover Romania? Thanks.
PS: The distance seems to be about 600km to Bucharest, so that would be well within range.

Is Gvardeyskoye in Ukraine ? AFAIK it is in Oblast , Russia . I maybe wrong though .

Anyways , to answer your question the SU 30 SM fly's at a speed of 2000 kms/hr .

The combat radius of the SU 30 SM on internal fuel is 3,000km. With a single in-flight refuelling procedure the combat range is extended to 5,200km . Therefore it can cover the whole of Romania even if it takes off from the Kalingrad region .

Combat radius and combat range are completely different, at most combat radius is something like 40% of the combat range, and this in only very specific circumstances. So if the range of the SM is 3000km the combat radius is a maximum of say 1200-1300km (likely the ideal scenario at high altitude). Of course, this will vary with weapons load, the heavier the load the shorter the range and hence combat radius etc. etc.

Combat radius and combat range are completely different, at most combat radius is something like 40% of the combat range, and this in only very specific circumstances. So if the range of the SM is 3000km the combat radius is a maximum of say 1200-1300km (likely the ideal scenario at high altitude). Of course, this will vary with weapons load, the heavier the load the shorter the range and hence combat radius etc. etc.

Combat radius normally includes a high speed dash and the fact that payload is being carried.

Note Sujoy said the radius was 3000km... the range would be more.