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    Post  mack8 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:45 pm

    4 more Su-30SM delivered to Domna (in two lots, first 3 then a single one), thus making the total to 10?
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700141.html
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:09 pm

    mack8 wrote:4 more Su-30SM delivered to Domna (in two lots, first 3 then a single one), thus making the total to 10?
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700141.html

    It will be interesting to see increase in Su-30SM production until 2016. I expect 14 or even more to be delivered in 2014.

    Whats going on with Su-30M2? are those delivered in full?

    Only this exists from interfax military:

    "Sukhoi Su-30M2 fighter jets to be supplied to Air Force units in Eastern Russia"
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:28 pm

    mack8 wrote:4 more Su-30SM delivered to Domna (in two lots, first 3 then a single one), thus making the total to 10?
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700141.html

    the article says 14 aircrafts this year, 10 of them in Domna

    So we have 16 su-30sm in total with last delivery. And 4 su-30m2.
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    Post  mack8 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:12 pm

    2 Su-30M2 to be delivered in the next few day to the Eastern Military District:
    http://primamedia.ru/news/primorye/26.12.2013/325960/noviy-istrebitel-su-30-m2-v-blizhayshie-dni-postupit-na-aviabazu-v-primore.html

    I am betting they will go to Dzemgi and serve as conversion trainers for Su-35S (of which there will be 4 squadrons), need to recheck my RuAF orbat, but that's in Habarovsk Krai right? I have yet to figure out  if these 16 will also cover for a future order or another 48 Su-35S (so you will have 8 squadrons each with 2 Su-30M2), or there will be yet another order. Plus, some sources give  2 (from the initial order of 4)  Su-30M2 serving at Krymsk together with the Su-27SM3s, and one each at two different units that i can't remember now (i suspect they are equipped with SMs, the Su-30M2 serving to familiarise those pilots with a digital cockpit, but need to check)

    PS: Yes, according to the AFM orbat there should be one Su-30M2 at each Tsentralnaya Uglovya and Dzemgi  based Su-27SM regiments, but it's not confirmed.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:51 am

    And here they are ...  Very Happy 

    KnAAZ military sends two new Su-30M2
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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:38 pm

    I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:22 pm

    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    i have the same wonder, it was written for the 18 su-24 of black sea fleet
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:28 pm

    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

    Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear Very Happy.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:50 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

    Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear Very Happy.

    Naval Su-34? oO
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:06 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

    Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear Very Happy.

    Naval Su-34? oO

    ...Is that possible? Su-34 is a huge aircraft, even if theirs a variant with retractable wings there wont be much room for anything else.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:19 pm

    I suppose it is possible - but is it desirable?

    The MiG-29K is a very modern, multirole fighter that can not only be used to ensure the air superiority of a naval group (does Russian doctrine still not prioritize this as the most important capability for a carrier air wing?), but also to carry out strike missions and so on.
    A naval Su-34 might increase this capability, but then it will take up room too that can be used for more MiG-29Ks, which are more versatile aircraft.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:11 pm

    Guys, land based naval aviation, not from a carrier.

    Su-24s are currently used from land, and need replacing.
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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

    Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear Very Happy.

    I don't know for Su-30SM, but Su-30MKK, on which Su-30M2 is based already have all needed equipment modified for maritime operations and navigation, so no need to loose time for any modifications, just to build them and place them in fleets.
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    Post  Sujoy on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:11 pm

    The naval version of the PAK FA can do a far better job than what a naval version of a SU 34 or SU 30 SM can do .

    According to the procurement document of the Russian Navy no new Aircraft Carrier will be inducted before 2020 . By then a naval PAK FA would already have appeared . Until then the MIG 29K can do a great job .

    Most Navies round the world lack long range cruise missiles that can be fired from either Ships or Submarines . Since, this is not a constraint for the Russian Navy there is no immediate need for a fighter/bomber like the SU 33 that can fly inside hostile airspace and bomb high value targets .



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    Post  mack8 on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:38 pm

    Su-30M2 from Dzemgi, not sure if the "old" 20 (del. 2011-with the Dzemgi regiment?) or a "new" 20 from the new lot? (thanks @Mix)
    http://forums.airforce.ru/attachments/foto-video/52189d1389521636-20-00.jpg
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:17 am

    Su-30MKI's and Su-30SM's OEPrNK-30MKI Electro-optic integrated fier-control and navigation system:

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    Post  medo on Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:42 pm

    Only things I miss in Su-30SM are MAWS and LWR sensors like Su-35 have.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:47 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

    Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear Very Happy.

    I've read somewhere, that NA considered Su-34 but didn't like it. I would guess, that armor, bombsight would be unneccesary, and also they'd probably prefer more AA capability.
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    Post  medo on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:04 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    medo wrote:I wonder if Russian navy will also order Su-30M2 for their old Su-24 replacement? Su-30M2 is already well suited for maritime operations, because Chinese navy already use them in this role.

    I was under the impression they were interested in the Su-30SM.

    Though I'd like to see the Naval Su-34 finally appear Very Happy.

    I've read somewhere, that NA considered Su-34 but didn't like it. I would guess, that armor, bombsight would be unneccesary, and also they'd probably prefer more AA capability.

    Agree. Those naval Su-30SM will not only do maritime patrols, but also defend naval base. That's why I think Russian navy need around 6 squadrons to defend all fleets and bases.
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    Post  mack8 on Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:42 pm

    Among others things, Su-30M2 bort 40 from Tsentralnaya Uglovya. Got worn pretty quickly (considering it's only about 3 years old):
    http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/vladiss95/view/857806/?page=0

    As for Su-30SM, if based at the Gvardeyskoye base in Ukraine, would the combat radius cover Romania? Thanks.
    PS: The distance seems to be about 600km to Bucharest, so that would be well within range.
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    Post  Sujoy on Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:22 pm

    mack8 wrote:As for Su-30SM, if based at the Gvardeyskoye base in Ukraine, would the combat radius cover Romania? Thanks.
    PS: The distance seems to be about 600km to Bucharest, so that would be well within range.

    Is Gvardeyskoye in Ukraine ? AFAIK it is in Oblast , Russia . I maybe wrong though .

    Anyways , to answer your question the SU 30 SM fly's at a speed of 2000 kms/hr .

    The combat radius of the SU 30 SM on internal fuel is 3,000km. With a single in-flight refuelling procedure the combat range is extended to 5,200km . Therefore it can cover the whole of Romania even if it takes off from the Kalingrad region .
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    Post  mack8 on Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:39 pm

    Combat radius and combat range are completely different, at most combat radius is something like 40% of the combat range, and this in only very specific circumstances. So if the range of the SM is 3000km the combat radius is a maximum of say 1200-1300km (likely the ideal scenario at high altitude). Of course, this will vary with weapons load, the heavier the load the shorter the range and hence combat radius etc. etc.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:45 am

    Combat radius and combat range are completely different, at most combat radius is something like 40% of the combat range, and this in only very specific circumstances. So if the range of the SM is 3000km the combat radius is a maximum of say 1200-1300km (likely the ideal scenario at high altitude). Of course, this will vary with weapons load, the heavier the load the shorter the range and hence combat radius etc. etc.

    Combat radius normally includes a high speed dash and the fact that payload is being carried.

    Note Sujoy said the radius was 3000km... the range would be more.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:27 pm

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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:01 pm

    Russian Ministry of Defense will purchase 50 Su-30SM and 10 Yak-130 aircraft

    Russian Ministry of Defense plans to sign contracts for delivery of 50 new Su-30SM fighters and 10 Yak-130 operational trainers, Lenta.ru reports with reference to a source close to United Aircraft Corporation. The new fighters will be operated by Russian navy; first vehicles will be delivered to the customer by the end of 2015. The contract’s value will exceed $2 billion.

    The ministry signed two contracts for delivery of Su-30SM fighters in 2012. Under these contracts Irkut Corporation must deliver 60 new Su-30SMs to the customer. It was reported earlier that Su-30SM fighters will replace outdated vehicles operated by the aviation of the Black Sea Fleet. According to one of the abovementioned contracts the deliveries should be completed by 2016.

    Su-30SM is the modification of Su-30MK developed for Russian armed forces. The jet’s maximum flight speed is 2.100 km/h; its range is 3000 km. Su-30SM is able to carry a payload of 8 tons.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/1/17/2170/

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