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    VVS recieves ANSAT

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:41 am

    Ansat fly in Syzran
    Syzran VVAUL will receive another seven new "turntable"
    2010-10-22 / Viktor Litovkin



    Wednesday, October 20, the airfield Troekurovka Syzran Higher Military Aviation School (a branch of the Military Educational and Scientific Center of the Air Force Academy) landed two multi-purpose helicopter Ansat (in translation from the Tatar name means "simple, easy to lift." - VL). It was the second of a scheduled production of aviation equipment to schools for the current year, the official representative of the Office of the Press and Information Ministry of Defense Lt. Col. Vladimir Drik. The first three of these turntables, reports he has received in the college has on October 11.

    Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said that "the new machines are classified as" light "and are designed to teach the initial flight training of cadets of military aviation training schools and in the future will need to replace outdated helicopters Mi-2. We note from him that the helicopters of this class can not only teach novice pilots, but also to retrain experienced, helping them to improve their flight classification. The fact that Ansat a digital integrated electric remote control system. It is, according to specialists, offers unlimited possibilities to model different modes of flight under various conditions of air situation.

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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  Austin on Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:20 am

    What has happened to Ka-60 program ? How many Ansat do they plan to purchase ?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:56 pm

    Austin wrote:What has happened to Ka-60 program ? How many Ansat do they plan to purchase ?

    The Ka-60 crash set back the programme as it was one of only two prototypes. It is also waiting on setup of factory for French Ardiden 3G engines.

    Ansat has won tender for 100 training helicopters to be supplied by 2015.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:58 pm

    Thanks , Is there a chance that Russia would rather buy the Indian ALH which has the same specs as Ka-60 but offers better capabilities as in more bang for the buck ?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:50 pm

    Austin wrote:Thanks , Is there a chance that Russia would rather buy the Indian ALH which has the same specs as Ka-60 but offers better capabilities as in more bang for the buck ?


    We wouldn't be licensing production of French engines if we were.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:24 am

    ANSAT is a bit lighter than the Ka-60 series and is not really directly comparable.

    I remember quite some years ago there was a purchase of about 50 ANSAT helicopters reported and their purpose was for training pilots of the Mi-28 and Ka-50/52 because the existing training aircraft were not manoeuvrable enough for the students to get the feel of a powerful manoeuvring helo like the aircraft they were training to operate.
    It seems the ANSAT can be looped and rolled like the Mi-28N and Ka-50/-52 and unlike the Mi-2.

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    Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:33 am

    Ka-226 "Sergei" LUH



    Why is it named Sergei ?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:05 pm

    Looks much better now that its engines are internal.

    Should be a useful little helo.

    I hope they develop a naval variant that can operate from ships too small to operate Helix types.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:22 pm

    Probably not a naval version , its too small to be useful for most navies , may be they could develop a Naval Variant of Ka-62.

    Ka-226 is competing in India for LUH deal against AS 550 Fennec

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:54 am

    I think its thunderbird like modularity with its functional rear pod that can be replaced as a single unit actually makes it more useful than some larger helos.

    Have a search and rescue pod, a pod with a dipping sonar and electronics, a pod with a belly mounted 360 degree radar, a light troop transport pod for 4-6 troops and a rear ramp door...

    It would obviously only be used on small vessels that otherwise couldn't carry a helo, or perhaps it could be used on ships where larger helos are possible but with folding main rotor blades and a folding rear end you might even get two of these helos on a ship that would otherwise only carry one aircraft.

    These helos would be ideal for 1,800 ton vessels and even 1,000 ton vessels where a Kamov would be a squeeze.

    Even if it is just used on vessels with Moskit/Oniks/Brahmos/etc vertical launch systems as an airborne target spotter.

    Helicopters are invaluable for frigates and larger vessels, this little helo could make smaller vessels more effective and useful.
    Even if it is just for running down high speed boats in anti smuggling/pirate/illegal fishing missions.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:56 pm

    Garry I guess some one is listening to you

    MoD to acquire 6 Ka-226′s in 2011

    The Russian Defense Ministry will buy light multi-role helicopters Kamov Ka-226, a ministry representative told Interfax-AVN on Thursday.

    “The plan of state procurements for 2011 provides the delivery of six light Ka-226 to the Defense Ministry,” he said.

    The helicopters will have Rolls-Royce engines. “In the future similar models will be powered with French Arrius-2G engines,” the source said.

    “The Kumertau aviation plant, a component of the Russian Helicopters Holding, will build and deliver the Ka-226 helicopters,” he said.

    “Negotiations on basing Ka-226 on board patrol ships of the Federal Border Service are in progress,” he said.

    As for possibly stationing the Ka-226 helicopters that the Russian Defense Ministry is buying on the Mistral helicopter ships, no decision has been made so far, the source said.

    The maximal takeoff weight of Ka-226 is 3,400 kilograms.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Helicopters are invaluable for frigates and larger vessels, this little helo could make smaller vessels more effective and useful.
    Even if it is just for running down high speed boats in anti smuggling/pirate/illegal fishing missions.

    It would be priceless for Croatia with its 1000+ islands, long coast and great smuggling problem as well as Italian fishing boats taking cca 300 milion E anually I would not mind seeing some kind of armaments on it.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:42 pm

    The main advantages of the coaxial design is it makes a very compact but powerful aircraft.

    The Ka-32 Helix is used here for selective logging and the pilots here describe it as a 10 ton aircraft with a 5 ton payload capacity that handles like a Hughes 500 (which is a very small light nimble little helo).

    I would expect this helo to have excellent high altitude performance as well as being very manoeuvrable. The most vital aspect from a handling point of view would be the lack of a tail rotor.

    The tail rotor is the biggest killer of people on the ground with helos as a gust of wind or change in wind direction has the tail swinging around in a very wide arc to keep the aircraft pointed into the wind and flying into it slightly to maintain a fixed ground position. Very tricky and dangerous.

    Sad to see that it uses British or French engines though... that will count against it for Russian military service.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:53 am

    I believe its MTOW is about 3.5 tons... so a Helix could carry this little fellow at its MTOW and still have capacity to carry another 1.5 tons.

    As such I would expect weapons payloads could include multiple rocket launchers, ATGMs like ATAKA, SHTURM, Kornet (none of which trail wires so make them excellent for helo launch), and of course various gun pods.

    In fact that might make an interesting rear pod with small side wings mounting HMGs or light cannon or automatic grenade launchers with enormous amounts of ammo in bins in the central pod as a sort of gunship. There are light versions of the standard 80mm rocket pods that hold 7 rockets for use on light aircraft that might compliment a 23mm or 30mm cannon or 30mm grenade launcher with maybe 1,000 rounds of ammo stored in the removable pod directly under the main rotor in the centre of the aircraft... which is ideal positioning for loads to maintain good manoeuvre capability.

    BTW in answer to why it is nicknamed Sergei:

    Named Sergei in 1999, honouring politician Sergei Shoigu, but programme also guided by Sukhoi General Designer, Sergei Mikheev.

    Also with this information:

    POWER PLANT: Two 335kW Rolls-Royce 250- C20R/2 turboshafts, side by side aft of rotor mast, with individual driveshafts to rotor gearbox. Two 335kW Rolls-Royce 250-C20B engines in prototypes. Transmission rating 626kW. Alternatively, two Progress (ZMKB) AI-450 turboshafts, each 331kW or two Turbomeca Arrius 2G (500 kW) or Klimov VK-800 turboshafts (588kW). Standard fuel capacity 770 litres, in tanks above and forward of payload module area. Provision for two external tanks, on sides of fuselage, total capacity 320 litres.

    From: http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/ka-226.php

    I wonder why they don't go for the VK-800 engines?



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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:46 am

    The main advantages of the coaxial design is it makes a very compact but powerful aircraft.

    Indeed I have read good things about co-axial design , I keep wondering why world over co-axial design has not caught up and besides Kamov no one tries to do with that design but would rather go for tail rotor types ?

    On VK-800 I think they are bench testing the engine and export customers are offered an option to use any engine they want but Russian military will go for VK 800 engine which has more power , so it should increase its hot and high capability as well its payload.

    Thanks for finding on the mystery behind naming it Sergei

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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:47 pm

    As I know, Ka-226 will operate from Russian border guard type 22460 patrol ship. It have heli pad, but I don't know if this ship have hangar for helicopter.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:03 pm

    Indeed I have read good things about co-axial design , I keep wondering why world over co-axial design has not caught up and besides Kamov no one tries to do with that design but would rather go for tail rotor types ?

    Losing the tail rotor is very useful, which is why the US developed the NOTAR technology. Problem was that it didn't scale up very well and was pretty much useless for medium to large helos.

    The gearbox of a Helix is an impressive feat of engineering and the west simply can't afford to develop it from scratch.

    On VK-800 I think they are bench testing the engine and export customers are offered an option to use any engine they want but Russian military will go for VK 800 engine which has more power , so it should increase its hot and high capability as well its payload.

    On a Kamov webpage it listed the performance of the Ka-226 with the Rolls Royce engine with a flight ceiling of 5,000m and the Ka-226T with the French engine that is more powerful with a flight ceiling of 7,000m. I would expect with the VK 800 engine the flight ceiling will be even higher still.

    As I know, Ka-226 will operate from Russian border guard type 22460 patrol ship. It have heli pad, but I don't know if this ship have hangar for helicopter.

    I have seen a line drawing of a corvette class with a standard displacement of 1,000 tons and a full load displacement of 1,350 tons. It has a 100mm gun on the front main deck and a stealthy shaped with Kashtans on top of the bridge and the centre rear of the boat (2 Kashtans in total) one level up from the rear Kashtan is a large open heli deck and it has a retractible hangar that extends out to enclose the helo and rolls back to give a more open deck area when not in use. The Specs describe a Ka-28 helo but with folding main rotors and even a folding tail you could probably get two Ka-266s in there.

    The ship is given no project code, but its physical dimensions are 84.5 x 13 x 2.5m.

    There is another small ship (corvette) described as an 1,800 ton escort ship that is 97 x 13 x 3m and it has similar helo facilities but as single gatling turrets front and rear.

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    Post  Hoof on Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:17 pm

    seems like a good heli to replace those aging mi-2's... Like Gary said, it could be a good platform for a gunship or a light recon helicopter... but i cant really see it having more than 2 rocket pods and maybe a light cannon or HMGs... and of course there is a question about how much armor would you be able to strap on it ?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:06 am

    For such a small helo I would think protection from 30 calibre ammo would be sufficient but I would then want a stand off range so that means 30 calibre weapons on it wouldn't be any good except for self protection.

    I would think a large pod that had twin barrel 23mm cannon fitted on outriggers on either side to fire forward with the ammo supply in the central pod with perhaps one 7 shot 80mm rocket pod on each side as well would be a good armament... the guns arranged to feed from belts stored directly under the main rotor so you could load thousands of rounds without too much bother.

    The 23mm twin barrel aviation cannon is rather different from the ground based 2A7 and 2A14 cannon used on the ZU-23 and ZSU-23-4 towed and self propelled AA Guns respectively because it uses the projectile of the very powerful 23 x 152mm anti aircraft gun round but in the 14.5 x 114mm HMG case so it has much less muzzle velocity and less propellent and relies more on shell weight than impact speed for its effects and can therefore be used on helos and light aircraft and it can have a high rate of fire too.

    The 23mm gun is already used in gunpods that can be carried by helos and aircraft and in one model gunpod the guns can be depressed by up to 30 degrees and is computer controled so the pilot can start a burst and pull up up to 30 degrees and the guns will depress automatically remaining on target.

    In a helicopter they could be fully steering turrets that can elevate up and down and left and right to aim at particular targets.

    The chin mounted cannon on the last model Hind had twin barrel 23mm guns that didn't throw the helo off nearly as much as the side mounted fixed 30mm cannon did.



    Of course for a cheap small gunship I think the gunship model of the ANSAT looks rather good for low intensity conflicts.



    Note the Kord HMG barrel near the front of where the skid undercarriage meets the aircraft.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:00 am


    Russian air force to buy 30 Ka-226 helicopters by 2020

    12:15 16/01/2012
    MOSCOW, January 16 (RIA Novosti)

    The Russian Air Force is to acquire up to 30 Kamov Ka-226 light helicopters for courier and communications duties by 2020, Defense Ministry spokesman Vladimir Drik said on Monday.

    “By the end of January the (Torzhok) center will get four light Ka-226 helicopters. By 2020 we plan to buy 30 of them,” he said.

    The force’s helicopter training center at Torzhok received 17 new machines in December 2011 including the Mi-28N, Mi-35, Mi-8MTV and Ka-52, he said.

    Not a huge number, but this is an Air Force order so the use of the Ka-226 on the Mistrals will require extra orders from the Russian Navy.

    Looks like these helos will replace the Mi-2s, which is a very good thing.

    Hopefully by 2020 they will have realised how useful this little helo is and will have ordered more.

    In regard to the Russian engine that is even more powerful than the French engine they are using I thought this helo would be rather interesting for special forces use.

    Imagine placing a sniper team high on the side of a mountain to wait in ambush for enemy forces moving towards that area.

    With normal helicopter deployment they will have a lot of kit to carry and the altitude they can be deployed to will be limited by the altitude limits of most medium helicopters.

    With the Ka-266 however you could configure the rear module to be a combined survival shelter/communications centre/storage point, that could be camouflaged to blend in to the surroundings with camouflage nets etc, but be fitted with radios and satellite communications systems. You could also store all sorts of equipment like laser range finders and target markers and high power telescopes... even long range sniper rifles and ATGMs like Metis-M or Kornet EM.

    In places like Chechnia you could fit it out and position it to overlook commonly used transport trails.

    On the side of a mountain small wind powered electrical generators can keep the small base powered and the hard shell provides protection from the elements when needed.

    You could stack all sorts of stuff inside it and then when delivered to the observation site (preferably at night) you could first put up camouflage nets to conceal it and then put up tubes with propellers inside that you can point into the wind to generate electricity but without an externally visible moving thing that would stand out and be easy to see from far away.
    Then take out the obsservation equipment and set it up to allow observation of the required directions and areas and then build up some local defences including traps and mines and flares to the approaches to the position.
    Once all that is deployed you can take out the weapons and ammo so they are ready to use if needed and take all the food out to make space inside the pod for the team to shelter from extreme weather if needed.
    The satellite communications equipment could be built into the pod with heavy batteries and antenna and of course wind generation of electricity to support its operation and to heat the pod.

    As food and water is consumed over time you might get a middle of the night delivery from a UAV with stores that you can put all your rubbish and waste into to fly off and either dump or return to base to hide the extent and location of your operations.

    An added advantage of having a system like Kornet EM is that it uses a thermal imager that can see targets out to 8-10km, so for observation that would be ideal. The fact that if needed you could engage targets to that range is a huge bonus.

    If the position is compromised then air power can be brought in to deal with the enemy forces while a Ka-226 comes in and collects the team in the pod under cover of darkness preferably.

    Such a capability would also be useful for border patrols that can be delivered to an area and they will have the pod as a base of operations.
    Perched on the side of a mountain obviously you will want some method of securing the pod so it doesn't get blown off the side of a mountain, but the payoff will be excellent view of infiltration tracks for smugglers and criminals.

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:56 pm

    Russian air force to buy 30 Ka-226 helicopters by 2020

    The Russian Air Force is to acquire up to 30 Kamov Ka-226 light helicopters for courier and communications duties by 2020, Defense Ministry spokesman Vladimir Drik said on Monday.

    “By the end of January the (Torzhok) center will get four light Ka-226 helicopters. By 2020 we plan to buy 30 of them,” he said.

    The force’s helicopter training center at Torzhok received 17 new machines in December 2011 including the Mi-28N, Mi-35, Mi-8MTV and Ka-52, he said.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120116/170777926.html

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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:56 pm



    I always thought that this version of the Ansat helicopter had great potential.
    All Ansat models are relatively low tech (low cost) choppers. This could have been a great platform for low intensity conflicts, recon missions, export to the not so rich countries etc.etc.
    Now with the advant of the longer range (8-10 km)new version of the KORNET ATM and the upcoming HERMES, this platform makes even more sense.
    I hope it gets renewed attention from the military.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:59 pm

    Is interesting that they are going for a diverse, all heavy helo attack fleet, nothing really for light strike. Mi-28N, Ka-52, Mi-24BM, hell Mi-8s with rocket and guns pods...

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:23 am

    Ansat is a very light helo, and would likely be a very good basis for a police helicopter, or anti terrorism helo.

    It could even be a very useful armed light recon helo where its reduced size and weight make it much cheaper to operate than a larger heavier aircraft.

    The problem is that a modern UAV could probably also perform most roles a light helo would be expected to perform now.

    Ironically I think the Russians have gone the other way to the west in terms of attack helos, where the west has Tigers and Cobras and Mongoose helicopters which are all lighter, the Apache is the exception in being heavier and better armed. In the Russian stable they seem to have gone for even heavier than the Apache in terms of protection and weapons.

    The Kornet-EM will be a very potent new weapon for light helos like the Ansat and indeed any armed versions of the Ka-226, but also with UCAVs.

    Hermes will likely be too heavy for such light helos... at about 170kgs per missile you could pack about 5 Kornet missiles for each Hermes missile, and in terms of target detection the Kornet avionics will be smaller and lighter and more compact than the systems needed for Hermes.

    Ironically fitting 16 Kornet EM missiles to an Ansat or Ka-226 means an 8km effective engagement range for armour and a 10km range against enemy aircraft... that is actually as good as or better than an Apache Longbow, as the Apache would use Stingers with an air to air range of about 6km and Hellfire missiles with an effective range of 8km.

    Obviously the Apache also has an effective 30mm gun with 1200 rounds, while the light helos will have machinegun level weapons, though a 30mm grenade launcher alternative option would be useful. The new Balkan 40mm grenade launcher would be even better as its max range is 2,500m compared with 2,100m for the 30mm grenade launcher, and a much larger payload.

    An added advantage is that the 40mm grenades of the Balkan are caseless so there is no empty case to eject or cycle... they are more like mini mortar shells.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:05 am

    They could be used as utility helicopters also like UH-72 in us air force

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