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    GarryB

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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:19 am

    That looks really really cold...
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 06, 2012 9:31 pm

    http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg

    Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  George1 on Sun May 06, 2012 9:52 pm

    TR1 wrote:No, IRST. Retractable.


    http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg

    Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.

    Νice helos. Why russian air force must buy french utility helicopters. Ansat can do this job
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 07, 2012 9:07 am

    The excuse usually given is that they need them for Sochi in 2014 and the Russian models can't be built and cleared for service in time...

    I think if they put the money up the Russian helos would be ready and do a better job too.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:32 am

    Kazan Helicopters upgrading Ansat

    The Ansat helicopter powered by Canadian-built PW207K engines and equipped with the innovative KSU-A fly-by-wire control system have been in production at the Kazan Helicopters plant since 2004. The first six machines have been exported to South Korea, two have been delivered to the Aviation Department of the Russian Federal Security Service, one (a medevac version) has gone to the Kazan Aviation Enterprise and one has been received by Radar-MMS company in the flying testbed variant.


    The Ansat-U trainer version with redundant controls and wheeled undercarriage, which development had been ordered by the Russian Air Force and which official trials had been completed in November 2008, entered full-rate production in 2009. The first six aircraft of the type were delivered in December 2009. Three of them were brought to the Combat Training and Conversion Centre (CTCC) in Torzhok, while the other three were in autumn 2010 given to the Syzran Affiliate of the Air Force Military Training and Scientific Centre (the former Syzran Air Force Academy) specialising in training helicopter pilots for the Russian Air Force. To date, the Defence Ministry has taken delivery of as many as 18 production-standard Ansat-Us. The deliveries under the contract until 2018 are under way at a rate of six machines a year, on average.

    During 2007–10, Kazan Helicopters did quite job to improve the FBW control system-fitted baseline model due to the emergence of more specific certification requirements. The efforts resulted in the Ansat-K variant that was issued a limited operation certificate in March 2010, clearing it for cargo carriage and air operations, except for passenger services. One Ansat-K was delivered to the Tatarstan Police Air Detachment in 2011.

    The development of a version with the hydraulic-mechanical control system, initially designated as Ansat-1M, kicked off at about the same time. Two prototypes were manufactured. The first prototype has been in ground trials since 2011, and the second entered flight tests in May 2012. Once the new Ansat version has been certificated, it will be offered to potential customers. Kazan Helicopters presumes the output and delivery volume of the Ansat’s commercial versions may total 20 aircraft a year in the future.

    http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/761-kazan-helicopters-upgrading-ansat
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:33 pm

    Defense Ministry received six new helicopters "ANSAT-U
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  TR1 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:39 pm

    So that is 24 Ansat-U in service?

    Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
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    Defense Ministry received six new helicopters "ANSAT-U

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:05 pm

    TR1 wrote:So that is 24 Ansat-U in service?

    Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
    Nice. I guess we will see much more of them next year and the year after.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:15 pm

    Six Ansat-U helicopters were delivered to the Sokol training air group
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    Ka-226 and Ansat

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:16 pm

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11873841@egNews

    9 Ka-226s will be delivered to the training group Sokol before the end of the year. Currently the center operates 17 choppers of the type.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:35 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/711410.html

    3 Ka-226 ordered for medical work in Moscow.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:42 am

    The Air Force Academy will receive six new ANSAT-U helicopters
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:05 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    The first group of cadets of the Military Training and Research Center, the Air Force pilot training was held on helicopters "ANSAT-U"
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:39 am

    Six Ansat-U training helicopters will be delivered to the Syzran branch of the military training scientific centre of the Air Force till the end of 2014.

    http://in.rbth.com/news/2014/10/28/russian_air_force_to_receive_over_120_new_helicopters_till_yearend_39371.html

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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:36 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    "Helicopters of Russia" party handed Ka-226 Russian Defense Ministry

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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Austin on Thu May 14, 2015 9:01 am

    India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226 cheers
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu May 14, 2015 10:09 am

    Austin wrote:India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226 cheers

    I want to know how we will deliver a helicopter with French engines with an EU arms embargo in effect. Helicopter production has slowed to a trickle as Motor Sich engines dry up.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Werewolf on Thu May 14, 2015 10:15 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Austin wrote:India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226 cheers

    I want to know how we will deliver a helicopter with French engines with an EU arms embargo in effect.  Helicopter production has slowed to a trickle as Motor Sich engines dry up.  

    The alternative for Ka-226 engines is russian VK-800V Klimow engines.

    http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-800V/

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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu May 14, 2015 10:44 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    The alternative for Ka-226 engines is russian VK-800V Klimow engines.

    http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-800V/


    We are going to sell the Indians a helicopter with an engine nowhere close to certification?

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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Austin on Thu May 14, 2015 11:10 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Austin wrote:India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226 cheers

    I want to know how we will deliver a helicopter with French engines with an EU arms embargo in effect.  Helicopter production has slowed to a trickle as Motor Sich engines dry up.  

    The engine would be supplied to Indians and its a 100 % TOT deal all all 200 Ka will be manufacutred in India.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Werewolf on Thu May 14, 2015 11:22 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    The alternative for Ka-226 engines is russian VK-800V Klimow engines.

    http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-800V/


    We are going to sell the Indians a helicopter with an engine nowhere close to certification?

    The certification will come 2016 reports say.

    http://survincity.com/2013/10/jsc-klimov-began-work-on-creating-engine-vk-800v/

    Promising engine VC-800B — the only project power plant is being developed now a "clean slate." How’s this project?
    — Promote the project in Russia is hampered by lack of real helicopter on which the VC-800B engine could be installed. Traditionally in Russia are the objects in the class take-off weight of 10-12 tons Helicopters mass 4 — 5 m for which designed and VK-800V, and have remained on paper. In view of the characteristics of the engine competitive on the western and eastern markets, where the spread helicopters of this class, but these markets are fairly rigidly reserved. However, as we are confident in the prospects of the project, now VC-800B engine is used in the framework of the program of establishing the planned helicopter engine for developing key technologies in various fields, such as thermodynamics, gas dynamics, and materials science. A number of promising technologies will be implemented in the final version of the engine, which is scheduled for certification in 2016
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 14, 2015 11:58 am

    The french have no arms embargo against India... Russia could sell them the helos and France could sell them the engines... in fact I seem to remember they were talking about licence production of the Ka-226T in India as being the preferred option...

    Having a choice of Russian or French engines would probably suit the Indians... they get a great helo and a choice of engines to suit their preference.

    Certainly a choice of engines would be useful as engines for hot and high are not often suited to other uses as they tend to be over powered for more mundane purposes... which reduces their efficiency.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu May 14, 2015 2:57 pm

    Austin wrote:

    The engine would be supplied to Indians and its a 100 % TOT deal all all 200 Ka will be manufacutred in India.

    That would require a separate deal with Safran as they are embargoed from doing business with Kamov.  You don't get ToT on French engines, even Shakti is just a screw driver job.


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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu May 14, 2015 2:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:The french have no arms embargo against India...

    The EU has an arms embargo... France is part of the EU.

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    Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U

    Post  Austin on Thu May 14, 2015 3:05 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Austin wrote:

    The engine would be supplied to Indians and its a 100 % TOT deal all all 200 Ka will be manufacutred in India.

    That would require a separate deal with Safran as they are embargoed from doing business with Kamov.  You don't get ToT on French engines, even Shakti is just a screw driver job.

    TOT is just a name for local lic manuf and maintenance , its does not mean manufacturer will transfer each and every technology but would transfer knowledge to maintain it here with local manufacturing.

    Yes they might just have a seperate deal with Safran

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