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    Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:56 pm



    I always thought that this version of the Ansat helicopter had great potential.
    All Ansat models are relatively low tech (low cost) choppers. This could have been a great platform for low intensity conflicts, recon missions, export to the not so rich countries etc.etc.
    Now with the advant of the longer range (8-10 km)new version of the KORNET ATM and the upcoming HERMES, this platform makes even more sense.
    I hope it gets renewed attention from the military.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:59 pm

    Is interesting that they are going for a diverse, all heavy helo attack fleet, nothing really for light strike. Mi-28N, Ka-52, Mi-24BM, hell Mi-8s with rocket and guns pods...
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:23 am

    Ansat is a very light helo, and would likely be a very good basis for a police helicopter, or anti terrorism helo.

    It could even be a very useful armed light recon helo where its reduced size and weight make it much cheaper to operate than a larger heavier aircraft.

    The problem is that a modern UAV could probably also perform most roles a light helo would be expected to perform now.

    Ironically I think the Russians have gone the other way to the west in terms of attack helos, where the west has Tigers and Cobras and Mongoose helicopters which are all lighter, the Apache is the exception in being heavier and better armed. In the Russian stable they seem to have gone for even heavier than the Apache in terms of protection and weapons.

    The Kornet-EM will be a very potent new weapon for light helos like the Ansat and indeed any armed versions of the Ka-226, but also with UCAVs.

    Hermes will likely be too heavy for such light helos... at about 170kgs per missile you could pack about 5 Kornet missiles for each Hermes missile, and in terms of target detection the Kornet avionics will be smaller and lighter and more compact than the systems needed for Hermes.

    Ironically fitting 16 Kornet EM missiles to an Ansat or Ka-226 means an 8km effective engagement range for armour and a 10km range against enemy aircraft... that is actually as good as or better than an Apache Longbow, as the Apache would use Stingers with an air to air range of about 6km and Hellfire missiles with an effective range of 8km.

    Obviously the Apache also has an effective 30mm gun with 1200 rounds, while the light helos will have machinegun level weapons, though a 30mm grenade launcher alternative option would be useful. The new Balkan 40mm grenade launcher would be even better as its max range is 2,500m compared with 2,100m for the 30mm grenade launcher, and a much larger payload.

    An added advantage is that the 40mm grenades of the Balkan are caseless so there is no empty case to eject or cycle... they are more like mini mortar shells.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:05 am

    They could be used as utility helicopters also like UH-72 in us air force
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:30 pm

    They certainly could, along with the new Mi-34C1 upgraded light helo which is apparently quite cheap and capable.

    Would like to seem someone take on the armed ANSAT model... it just looks cool.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:52 pm

    does anyone know if any armed versions have been built(not one off's/prototypes), they would be ideal for border control, i am sure latin american countries would be interested, would be cheaper than buying and run than MI-35 etc. I think an armed version would do quite well as an export.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:05 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know if any armed versions have been built(not one off's/prototypes), they would be ideal for border control, i am sure latin american countries would be interested, would be cheaper than buying and run than MI-35 etc. I think an armed version would do quite well as an export.

    No for Ka-226. But Kazan Ansat has an armed recon model. "Ansat 2RC"

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:04 am

    George1 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know if any armed versions have been built(not one off's/prototypes), they would be ideal for border control, i am sure latin american countries would be interested, would be cheaper than buying and run than MI-35 etc. I think an armed version would do quite well as an export.

    No for Ka-226. But Kazan Ansat has an armed recon model. "Ansat 2RC"




    now thats what i am talking about Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
    ideal to replace Mi-2. i am sure this would do well in south american countries for border patrol etc.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:02 pm

    Alexander Zverev innovator intends to revive the issue of the Ka-26 with fundamentally new piston engines.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1524936.html

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    Ansat-2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun May 01, 2016 11:22 pm

    Isos wrote:They should design a gunship version with 2 heavy machines or grenade lunchers on both side and better armourd. A lot of country would buy it for anti guerilla role. They could complete Mi 28 and Ka 52 too.

    Russia needs some of these machines. The Mi-8/17 are pretty big for that role.

    yeah it would be good to see this in armed version, however the for small light attack heli they have the Ansat 2RC, which would be armed with 12.7mm guns, and 4 hard points to carry rockets, bombs, and small anti air missiles. its not that much smaller really.

    http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/ansat_2rc.htm








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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:08 pm

    Does anyone know if Russia will purchase Ansat 2C?
    I know they have the ka-52 scout/attack but the 2RC could still be useful as a recce heli or escort missions and would obviously be a lot cheaper but for the price there is drawbacks no armour, reduced speed, range and altitude but for the price and role it's still useful could also be carried on a small ship deck.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:58 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Does anyone know if Russia will purchase Ansat 2C?
    I know they have the ka-52 scout/attack but the 2RC could still be useful as a recce heli or escort missions and would obviously be a lot cheaper but for the price there is drawbacks no armour,  reduced speed, range and altitude but for the price and role it's still useful could also be carried on a small ship deck.

    unfortunately we have seen neither Ansat 2RC purchases nor Ka-60
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:39 pm

    On the issue of engine replacement couldnt Russia approach Iran? Iran does have in service bell 205,206,212,214, sea cobras,
    but also builds the following:
    Panha Shabaviz 2-75 (bell 205),
    Shahed-278 (bell 206)
    Panha 2091 "Toufan (bell AH-1J seacobra)

    The 205 or 206 engine could be used and for ansat 2RC the sea cobra engines. And it's unlikely that Iran and Russia would fall out and place sanctions on each other this would save Russia time and money. Although for the ka-60 I think they might need something with a bit more powerful.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:56 pm

    The US would likely claim ownership of those engine designs and therefore try to sue the Russian company that produced them for illegal copying.

    The Russians have a few engine programmes in development, many of which should create a few engines in different power classes.... not the end of the world.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:The US would likely claim ownership of those engine designs and therefore try to sue the Russian company that produced them for illegal copying.

    The Russians have a few engine programmes in development, many of which should create a few engines in different power classes.... not the end of the world.

    But surely if that was the case and current US and Iran relations that US would sue Iran for making copies of there engines. But they haven't I am thinking it could save Russia quite a bit of money if they used instead of development and testing or something made from scratch
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:21 am

    Makes more sense to build something you own the full rights to... is made the same way you make engines to the specs and requirements of your military... I doubt those old engines were metric so you need a whole different tool set to work with them.

    Iran is not exporting those helos or those engines in enormous numbers, but if the Russian military started using variants of those engines the US would jump up and down immediately because they are spoilt little brats that don't share and take every opportunity to put other down... as you know full well.

    These Iranian engines are probably very nice but likely not state of the art, so it makes sense for Russia to use new technology and fill the gaps in its arsenal itself without outside interference or influence.
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    Re: Kazan Ansat 2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:22 am

    I agree of course your own engines is a better option but it seems that when they designed it they used western engines for silly reasons. But the Iran option was a way of avoiding western engines and sanctions and ad for USA complaining let them it's effectively an iranian engine regardless of origins so they can sell to who they want. And USA hasn't complained about Iran using it and they hate Iran. And don't forget that Russia is still supplying rocket engines to USA for now. I just think in future if an Russian engine isn't available an iranian one would be a safer option. But Russia is doing the sensible thing now and making most of its own parts etc
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:44 am

    The reason they were forced to use western engines is because they had none of their own in that weight class.

    Medium and light helicopters were not made in the Former Soviet Union... the Mi-2 was designed by Mil but produced in a warsaw pact country.

    When that relationship stopped they could either continue to buy from what was now an unfriendly country that soon became part of NATO, or develop their own products... it was easy enough to develop new light helos, but new engines are not so easy to put together.

    They went with French and American engines simply because they were already developed and would make their products more popular on the international market. Now however it makes more sense for them to spend money and develop new engines of their own... not cheap and not fast but in the long term the best option.

    Buying engines from Iran or China is not a long term solution either.

    Note many of the similar situations involved licence production first and then domestic evolution of the product, like thermal imagers etc.

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