Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

Werewolf wrote:

Do you have a source for this?

Sounds little bit unbelievable, (not that it couldn't survive it) but that someone would actually test it.

They would use remote-control for anything like that.

They would use remote-control for anything like that. wrote:

I meant it both ways regardless of unmanned or manned, that test is surely cost intensive at least 16 mln USD cost intensive, don't know if a company can risk so much money.

It may have a little bit lower ballistical protection when compared with Mi-28 and Ka-50 but overall it outperformce both in survivability along with its Vitebsk and DIRCM equipment.

This and use of long range ATGM as Hermes (maybe even antiradar Kh-31P, if it will be integrated with Ka-52K, could be also with Ka-52), will make Ka-52 very well suited to do SEAD/DEAD mission for its group of attack helicopters, so they could easier destroy armored vehicles and infantry, considering that western ground forces don't have medium or long range SAM, only MANPADs and SHORADs.

Along with Hermes-A like you said and even the ZALA-Aero Network for airdropable small UAV's like Zala 421 it will have and already has the highest survivability.

I'm just waiting when this airdropable UAV's matures into flying kamikaze aircrafts with 1-2kg warheads.

Werewolf wrote:

I meant it both ways regardless of unmanned or manned, that test is surely cost intensive at least 16 mln USD cost intensive, don't know if a company can risk so much money.

Most of it should be recoverable.

Then they can rebuild it and test something else on it.

I don't think they would use a serial production version for those sorts of tests; more like one of the prototypes lying around whose usage is coming to an end now that the helicopter is readying to enter production.

The article was in a German military magazine called Mil Tech.. (this is their website: http://www.monch.com/mpg/index.php )

I will see if I can dig the magazine out and give more details... it described the double layer armour of the Ka-50 as making impact of projectiles needing some 2,000 joules of energy... which meant US 20mm cannon was insufficient... you needed a 27mm Mauser or 30mm Soviet calibre to reliably penetrate.

BTW they were testing armour protection... which requires live fire tests... they would not have fitted the aircraft with sensors and equipment so it would not cost anywhere near 16 million.

Could it be "military technology ISSUES 6/2013" since it is the only magazine that mentions russian helicopters in the contents?

No.

The issue was from the mid to early 1990s and mentioned the name Werewolf for the Ka-50 as being very appropriate as the author calculated the power needed to penetrated its armour required 27mm or more powerful ammo... ie you really need silver bullets for a reliable kill.

Found it... here is the article:













Note page 66 under the heading "Hokum Test Firing" and below.

Note a single 23mm cannon shell would not blow the tail off, but a burst from 100m range would.

Ka-52 related equipment:

Helmet-mounted target designation system and display for a helicopter pilot (Helmet-mounted target designation and indication system for helicopters)




RFCs Crossbow FH01 (Arbalet FH01 radar)




Laser Station optronic suppression from the board defense helicopters President-C (Laser ECM station from President-S ECM system for helicopters) Information plate (Datasheet in Russian)






806P weapon control system from the Ka-52 (Weapon control system 806P for Ka-52)




Sighting and computational complex PrVK-24 (Sighting computer system PrVK-24)




http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/566

About 150 Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopters will be delivered to Russian Ministry of Defense during the period until 2020


146 Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopters will be delivered to Russian Ministry of Defense by Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company during the period until 2020, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense, Yuri Borisov.

"The enterprise’s financial situation is stable and it has a long-term contract for delivery of 146 Ka-52 Alligator helicopters. The deliveries must be completed by 2020. It is also planned to place an order for 32 ship-based helicopters of the type", — he said. The Deputy Minister noted that the Russian navy is waiting for Ka-52K helicopters, which will be deployed onboard Mistral helicopter carriers.

Yuri Borisov visited Primorye in order to monitor the implementation of a number of contracts signed in the network of State Defense Order and to assess the capabilities of defense enterprises. During the meeting with the enterprise’s management team a new contract for delivery of Ka-52K helicopters in 2015-2016 was being discussed, the ministry’s press-service reports.

"Special attention was paid to phasing out imports; in particular, this refers to Ukrainian-produced components. There are no critical problems and we will be able to handle it", - Borisov said.

Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopter is fitted with state-of-the-art avionics and powerful weapons, which may be configured for different missions.

Nice

Tests of the new complex means of communication for the Ka-52 will be completed by the end of 2014

A few Ka-52 pics from the recent Vostok 2014 exercise

And a couple more from a mixed unit

I purchased yesterday an ebook of all or at least alot of russian optronic and electro-optronic technologies.
The book is great from optics for rifles, laser rangefinder and designators for infantry, tank optics/TIS, heliborne (which i mainly was interested but little bit disappointed since TOR Zenit is not published or kept secret), jetborne IRST, targeting pods, targeting sights to spy plane high resolution spy cameras and even space Laser based data transmitting laser, high telescopes for satellites, MAWS for aircrafts and tons of other stuff like this the Image Processing for Surveillance/Attack and Commanding aircrafts aka what the Ka-50/52 have.








The Image Processor was initially installed on the Ka-50 because the Radar was not ready and to ease the workload for combat, reconnaisance missions for single seater Ka-50 pilots it was installed so the Shkval-V could have a Search and track function similiar to a Radar but in the light spectrum. The Image Processor can recognize artificial lines like roads, or straight lines like on vehicles/tanks,bridges or buildings and it is a Subsystem of the T-90MS that was seen that it can even autotrack and lockon on each Window on a building for rapid and accurate gun and ATGM fire through the windows.

Thx for sharing

Werewolf wrote:I purchased yesterday an ebook of all or at least alot of russian optronic and electro-optronic technologies.
The book is great from optics for rifles, laser rangefinder and designators for infantry, tank optics/TIS, heliborne (which i mainly was interested but little bit disappointed since TOR Zenit is not published or kept secret), jetborne IRST, targeting pods, targeting sights to spy plane high resolution spy cameras and even space Laser based data transmitting laser, high telescopes for satellites, MAWS for aircrafts and tons of other stuff like this the Image Processing for Surveillance/Attack and Commanding aircrafts aka what the Ka-50/52 have.








The Image Processor was initially installed on the Ka-50 because the Radar was not ready and to ease the workload for combat, reconnaisance missions for single seater Ka-50 pilots it was installed so the Shkval-V could have a Search and track function similiar to a Radar but in the light spectrum. The Image Processor can recognize artificial lines like roads, or straight lines like on vehicles/tanks,bridges or buildings and it is a Subsystem of the T-90MS that was seen that it can even autotrack and lockon on each Window on a building for rapid and accurate gun and ATGM fire through the windows.

Thanks for those man, can you tell us more about the book ?

Cheers

Thanks for those man, can you tell us more about the book ?

Here i uploaded a zip file with screenshots from the contents list.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-9893750/Inhaltsverzeichnis-26.zip.html


If you have questions for something specifically ask.

Werewolf wrote:

Thanks for those man, can you tell us more about the book ?

Here i uploaded a zip file with screenshots from the contents list.



If you have questions for something specifically ask.

Thanks for that Werewolf, it definetly covers a wide range of military machines.

Can you tell me please whats the book called and where can I get one  ?

Cheers

marcinko wrote:
Thanks for that Werewolf, it definetly covers a wide range of military machines.

Can you tell me please whats the book called and where can I get one  ?

Cheers

It should be "Russia's arms and Technology XXI Encyclopedia Vol 11 Optoelectronics and Laser Systems" By Nikolai Spassky.

I wonder if it's newer edition... I have that book, but it's 2005 edition. Quite outdated perhaps.

Stealthflanker wrote:

marcinko wrote:
Thanks for that Werewolf, it definetly covers a wide range of military machines.

Can you tell me please whats the book called and where can I get one  ?

Cheers

It should be "Russia's arms and Technology XXI Encyclopedia Vol 11 Optoelectronics and Laser Systems" By Nikolai Spassky.

I wonder if it's newer edition... I have that book, but it's 2005 edition. Quite outdated perhaps.

Yes, it is this exact book didn't found a newer version for optroelectronics and Laser Systems specifically.

Stealthflanker wrote:

marcinko wrote:
Thanks for that Werewolf, it definetly covers a wide range of military machines.

Can you tell me please whats the book called and where can I get one  ?

Cheers

It should be "Russia's arms and Technology XXI Encyclopedia Vol 11 Optoelectronics and Laser Systems" By Nikolai Spassky.

I wonder if it's newer edition... I have that book, but it's 2005 edition. Quite outdated perhaps.

Thanks man

Not much has been heard about Ka-52 deliveries during this year.

Six combat "Alligator" will go to air units TSB

10 new Alligators. Don't know if the above six are part of this batch.

Thanks, nice to see them in the new cammo.

Aviation Division of the Eastern Military District (TSB) in 2015 will receive 22 attack helicopters Ka-52 "Alligator"