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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:41 am

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    "When Kiev, with western support and likely encouragement hits Russian civilians the Russians tend to respond by hitting the HQs where they believe such attacks were formulated... often killing the military responsible for the attack.

    That is the legitimate and humane way to react to terrorism where you don't become a terrorist yourself."

    Problem with that approach is that it makes profitable for the West to attack soft targets inside Russia.

    For example the West organizes an extreme terrorist attack inside Russia with thousands of civilian casualties.

    Let's say there were 20 perpetrators and planners involved from the western side. Even if Russia successfully gets all of the perpetrators and planners (which is doubtfull) it would still be a western victory. Thousands of Russian civilians dead and only 20 westerners killed in response.

    This kind of thinking is what will eventually ruin and destroy Russia. Russia should stop reeling and start killing.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:48 am

    Four is the norm.

    Russkie bomb stock will end by April. (TM)
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:55 am

    How would any normal country deal with terrorism?

    If the FSB does their job they will stop most attacks and will likely capture people involved and get them to talk and with that information they can localise who was responsible and they can be taken care off quietly and cleanly with other actors in the game being aware of what happened and why.

    Let's say there were 20 perpetrators and planners involved from the western side. Even if Russia successfully gets all of the perpetrators and planners (which is doubtfull) it would still be a western victory. Thousands of Russian civilians dead and only 20 westerners killed in response.

    You are ignoring the fact that if they did successfully kill thousands of Russians that Russia would likely change their plans for Ukraine that will be even worse for the West.

    Most of the successful attacks by Kiev led to concerted attacks on a range of targets that made them rather worse off afterwards.

    The escalation of weapons and ammo and equipment by the west led to responses that did even more damage to Kiev and their goals.

    The west is the enemy and will do bad things to Russia... this is making Russia realise how evil the west is and making any agreements or relations after the conflict ends become less and less likely.

    When the west is desperate for energy for gas for oil then Russia can just say they don't have any spare capacity... it is all going elsewhere... or is going into storage in Russia.

    Russia has never been mean to the west just because they want to, while the west is nasty to Russia every chance they got... the west bemoans the anti west behaviour of the Russians but they have no idea... yet.

    This kind of thinking is what will eventually ruin and destroy Russia. Russia should stop reeling and start killing.

    Becoming the west wont make things easier moving forward with the rest of the world... which is the battle the west is ignoring at its peril.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:00 am

    However these marine obstacles can be placed in advance in positions in deep waters or Ship can come close to enemy shore

    The ship hit this time was guarding the Crimean bridge apparently.

    Its job was to protect the bridge, which it succeeded at.

    They probably thought that 10 drones would mean two to sink the ship and 8 to hit the bridge and they ended up not hitting the bridge at all.

    Russkie bomb stock will end by April. (TM)

    Those glide kits means they could be aimed at four different widely separate targets, or with cluster munitions might be different sections of trenchlines...

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    Post  franco Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:10 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from March 2 to March 8, 2024)

    In the period from March 2 to March 8, 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 34 group strikes with precision weapons, multiple launch rocket systems and unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which objects were hit where unmanned boats were assembled and trained for combat use, arsenals, fuel bases for military equipment, deployment points units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, formations of nationalists and foreign mercenaries.

    In the Kupyansk direction, during the week, units of the "Western" grouping of troops actively improved the situation along the front edge and defeated enemy manpower and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Kupyansk, Peschanoe and Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region.

    24 counterattacks of the assault groups of the 32nd, 41st mechanized, 57th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reflected in the areas of the settlements of Sinkovka, Kharkiv region and Terny, Donetsk People's Republic.

    The enemy's losses amounted to over 540 soldiers, two tanks, four armored combat vehicles, 20 vehicles, 18 field artillery guns and a Grad MLRS combat vehicle.

    In the Donetsk direction, units of the "Southern" grouping of troops occupied more advantageous positions and defeated formations of the 5th, 92nd assault, 28th, 33rd mechanized, 46th, 81st airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 241st air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Kleshcheyevka, Kurdyumovka, Andreevka and the Red of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    In addition, they repelled eight enemy counterattacks in the areas of the settlements of Krasnogorovka, Novomikhailovka and Pobeda of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 1970 servicemen, 11 tanks, 17 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, 25 field artillery guns, two MLRS Grad combat vehicles, as well as a combat vehicle of the Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system. Ten AFU field ammunition depots were also destroyed.

    In the Avdiivka direction, units of the Center group of forces continued to occupy more advantageous lines and positions.

    In cooperation with aviation and artillery, they defeated clusters of manpower and equipment 23, 31, 47, 78, 110- the 1st mechanized, 59th motorized Infantry, 71st Jaeger brigades, as well as the 103rd and 107th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Tonenke, Toretsk, Ocheretino, Novoselka First, Mayorsk and Rozovka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    65 counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were reflected in the areas of the settlements of Berdych, Tonenke, Leninskoye, Petrovsky, Novgorodskoye, Pervomaiske and Orlovka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    During the week in this direction, the enemy lost over 2,860 soldiers, seven tanks, including two Abrams made in the United States, 34 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, 20 field artillery guns, a HIMARS MLRS launcher made in the United States and a Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle.

    In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces improved the situation along the front edge and defeated units of the 65th, 72nd, 118th mechanized, 58th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 102, 105 and 128th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Novodonetskoye, Ugledar, Dobropole, Shevchenko, Staromayorskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic The Republic and Malinovka of the Zaporozhye region.

    In addition, three counterattacks by units of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Vodiane settlement of the Donetsk People's Republic were reflected.

    Enemy losses amounted to up to 1,620 military personnel, six tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 28 vehicles, seven field artillery guns, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, two Strela-10 air defense systems combat vehicles, as well as a Stormer air defense system combat vehicle manufactured in Great Britain.

    In the Kherson direction, Russian troops took more advantageous positions and inflicted a comprehensive fire defeat on the manpower and equipment of the 65th, 117th, 118th mechanized, 128th mountain assault brigades, 35th, 36th, 38th Marine brigades, 14th, 23rd National Guard brigades and 126th Brigade theroborons in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Pyatikhatki, Nesteryanka, Zaporizhia region, Ivanovka, Sadovoye, Mikhaylovka, Antonovka and Tokarevka, Kherson region.

    Two attacks by assault groups of the 118th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were repelled in the area of the settlement of Rabodino, Zaporizhia region.

    The enemy's losses amounted to more than 295 soldiers, two tanks, 22 vehicles, nine field artillery guns, as well as two HIMARS MLRS launchers manufactured by the United States.

    Aircraft and air defense systems were shot down in a week:The MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, five Storm Shadow cruise missiles manufactured in the United Kingdom, a Patriot anti-aircraft guided missile made in the United States, seven Hammer guided aerial bombs made in France, 33 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems made in the United States, as well as 796 unmanned aerial vehicles.

    During the week, 24 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 576 aircraft, 267 helicopters, 14,658 unmanned aerial vehicles, 482 anti-aircraft missile systems, 15,400 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,234 multiple rocket launchers, 8,322 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,998 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12503749@egNews

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    Post  mnztr Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:24 pm

    One area where the RUAF continues to fail utterly is interdiction. Lots of diesel and stuff still pouring across the border. Those naval drones are pretty large. they have to be shipped in from Romania yet somehow its easy to do. HIMARS being shipped back to Poland and all the way to the USA for repair. Heck its like AMAZON!!!
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    Post  Firebird Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:52 pm

    Why doesn't Russia just blockade the Pukraine. Have China, Turkey, Kazakstan with Ru staff inspect everything in Europe before its allowed into the Pukraine. Only foods, medicines and civilian items, no arms.

    And if the Pukraine doesn't agree to it? Just blow the train or lorry up!
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    Post  thegopnik Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:04 pm

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    Holy **** what is exactly left of the 1st line of defense to be fully breached? I hope the operational breaks and slow movements are to wait on Putin's re-election speech to launch a big offensive.

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    Post  Hole Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:13 pm

    Russia should stop reeling and start killing.
    Nearly 500.000 confirmed KIAs + 700.000+ "MIAs",
    but still some people behave as if Russia would sit idle.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Mar 08, 2024 6:58 pm

    Firebird wrote:Why doesn't Russia just blockade the Pukraine. Have China, Turkey, Kazakstan with Ru staff inspect everything in Europe before its allowed into the Pukraine. Only foods, medicines and civilian items, no arms. And if the Pukraine doesn't agree to it? Just blow the train or lorry up!


    The western border is far away , and bombers risk being shot down . Missiles can damage rail tracks but not Roads , well not long enough . So blockading the western border is not practical . The grain ships can be inspected and stopped in the Black Sea , but I remember when Russia tried to do this that there was attacks against it's own Ships by the Yanks or the " Ukrainians . " So they stopped . There was also an agreement between Russia and Ukraine not to hit Bridges , if I remember right . The only place left that supplies could be stopped . The answer given was that Bridges allowed troops to cross and be turned into mince meat . But Bridges also allow armour to cross , and this answer was not satisfactory . The first answer , either an agreement to limit the war and /or help by the Yanks to take down Russian Bridges , seems more plausible . The Answer that Bridges may allow Russia to cross into the West , are not believable . Since all Bridges will be taken down easily anyway . Therefore Russia through inability to reach the western border or damage limitation to it's own infrastructure , is forced or persuaded to fight a limited war . This I disagree with , I think all forces should be employed ,with no agreements with the Yanks to limit the war  . Let it rain hell !

    Twisted Evil

    Deploy maximum conventional force to achieve maximal  desired results quickly . Use nuclear forces along other fronts in Europe .

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Mar 08, 2024 7:21 pm




    Russia could support the diversionary-sabotage actions against the railways and other types of transportation inside of Poland and other countries, but the ethnic Ukrainian Putin hates ethnic Poles too much to do it.

    Would make much more sense to arm the resistance in Poland. At least they are doing something.



    https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/535/polish-resistance-movement-derails-supplies




    Also, Russians could hit the railway transports inside of Ukraine with missiles.

    Why are they not doing it? dunno


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    Post  nomadski Fri Mar 08, 2024 7:34 pm





    Imagine most Bridges in western Russia blown up ! Imagine all big Russian Ships in black Sea sink ! Imagine all Bridges over Deniper blown up ! Imagine all Rail in western Ukraine taken out ! What are we left with ? Russia advancing very quickly to Deniper ! All supplies cut in black Sea and to Orcs in East Ukraine . War ends .
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:12 pm

    The UMPC glide bombs have a powered brother, the UMPB. The Ukies have one that didn't explode. I've put this in an Air Force thread.

    Key differences between UMPB and UMPC

    ◉ The first and most important thing is range. If the FAB-250/500 with UMPC allowed the use of weapons from a range of 40-60 km, then the use of UMPB with a fuel tank and engine will increase this figure, if not twice, then close to this indicator - to approximately 80-95 km.


    https://twitter.com/distant_earth83/status/1766208895242940662

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    Post  mnztr Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:44 pm

    Mine the road and declare them closed (from the air) when the crews arrive to demine, hit them with fpv drones. its harsh, and brutal thats what war is. submit or die.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:48 pm

    Imagine most Bridges in western Russia blown up ! Imagine all big Russian Ships in black Sea sink ! Imagine all Bridges over Deniper blown up ! Imagine all Rail in western Ukraine taken out ! What are we left with ? Russia advancing very quickly to Deniper ! All supplies cut in black Sea and to Orcs in East Ukraine . War ends . wrote:

    Yes that would be a good plan for Ukraine, but they have no ability to execute it. Russia can do that to Ukraine but i am puzzled why it has not even attempted it. They tried with the power last winter but did not succeed in stopping the trains,. However did reduce the AD significantly.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:54 am

    One area where the RUAF continues to fail utterly is interdiction. Lots of diesel and stuff still pouring across the border.

    Fuel dumps and ammo stockpiles are hit quite regularly near the front line, but Kievs problem isn't fuel or ammo or weapons... well it is because they don't have an over supply of any of those, but their biggest problem is lack of bodies... lack of trained men.

    For Russia, to continue to kill a thousand Soldiers a day just continues to increase their problems.

    Their new military guy said they were going on the defensive and were going to keep their own men safe while they bleed the Russians... well that clearly hasn't happened so that was obviously just bullshit for the Orc population... perhaps to make them less scared of being conscripted or to encourage foreign volunteers, but never listen to what someone says when they don't do what they say.

    Those naval drones are pretty large. they have to be shipped in from Romania yet somehow its easy to do. HIMARS being shipped back to Poland and all the way to the USA for repair. Heck its like AMAZON!!!

    Ukraine is still a country with 20 million people, so trade and transport continue on a daily basis, there are likely hundreds of thousands of trucks operating daily shifting things around the country in both directions... in and out... It is not practical to try to destroy everything and just trying to do so would kill many civilians who have nothing to do with the war effort, which is what Russia is trying to avoid.

    Kiev has probably murdered tens of thousands of people protesting the war and they would justify that by claiming they are working for the Russians... this war is likely to end when the Orc military collapses... it is very unlikely for it to collapse from Kiev by ballot box or protest.

    Protests would lead to conscription agents rounding up the protestors and putting them in uniforms and sending them to the front.

    Why doesn't Russia just blockade the Pukraine. Have China, Turkey, Kazakstan with Ru staff inspect everything in Europe before its allowed into the Pukraine. Only foods, medicines and civilian items, no arms.

    And if the Pukraine doesn't agree to it? Just blow the train or lorry up!

    Polish Farmers are already doing that aren't they?

    Such a thing would not be possible across such an enormous land border... they could open up thousands of crossing points to smuggle stuff across... it would be a waste of time and resources and would never be effective anyway.

    Russia could support the diversionary-sabotage actions against the railways and other types of transportation inside of Poland and other countries, but the ethnic Ukrainian Putin hates ethnic Poles too much to do it.

    Would make much more sense to arm the resistance in Poland. At least they are doing something.

    Any support Russia sent to poles acting against the Ukraine would lead to those poles being labeled as traitors.

    They might call for Putin to sort out the Ukrainians but they really don't like Russians I suspect, they are just interested in their problems with cheap and contaminated Ukrainian rival products. If they were truck drivers they would not be protesting.

    Also, Russians could hit the railway transports inside of Ukraine with missiles.

    Why are they not doing it?

    Because things that don't reach the front line can't be destroyed at the front line.

    Mine the road and declare them closed (from the air) when the crews arrive to demine, hit them with fpv drones. its harsh, and brutal thats what war is. submit or die.

    Or just keep killing their troops on the front line without murdering civilians on public roads and rail transport...

    They tried with the power last winter but did not succeed in stopping the trains,. However did reduce the AD significantly.

    No they didn't. If they wanted to destroy the electric power grid don't you think it would have been destroyed?

    It was carefully damaged to reduce power but not eliminate it or any chance of its restoration any time soon...

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    Post  mnztr Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:33 am

    Because things that don't reach the front line can't be destroyed at the front line. wrote:

    If they don't reach the front line they can't kill your men. So thats even better then destroying them at the front line after they have killed a few of your men.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:16 am

    The funny thing is that you think they could stop everything coming in.

    Even with control of the borders Russia can't stop illegal drugs entering Russia, how do you propose they stop things along the western border of europe?

    Even if you lined up Russian soldiers every 20 metres how do the stop all aircraft... how do they search all trucks and trains and boats crossing into the Ukraine?

    You are being ridiculous.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:48 am

    Origin story of this conflict by a US politician...



    If you want to know why in the US or the west... follow the money.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:09 am

    After Frenchie Micron now Radek Appelbaum Sikorski says

    https://www.newsweek.com/polish-official-western-troops-ukraine-1877513

    But if Russia stopped then SVO failed miserable... So western oligarchs so desperate to divert attention form shit in economy that  ww3 is the better option?
    **** the western economy must be in deep shit now
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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:18 pm

    Russia has returned the way of war from the early 1800s and before. Soldiers would fight it out on a field and the civilian casualties would
    be minimal. The 1900s saw the advent of industrial war and mass death of civilians from bombing and shelling. Fronts would sprawl over
    whole countries and not be confined to small number of locations. The SMO is confining the conflict to depopulated villages and unpopulated
    terrain. There is no mass bombing of towns and cities and roads with civilian traffic.

    This has been very effective in grinding down Kiev regime armies. But the arm chair generals bleat the tired refrain of "Russia fail".

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 09, 2024 12:20 pm

    Sikorski is a neocon maggot. Scum like him are a tragedy for Poland but Poles don't realize this.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Mar 09, 2024 2:20 pm

    https://vk.com/video-104764077_456283343  Very Happy Iskander vs Patriot

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    Post  Hole Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:23 pm

    Iskander vs Patriot
    According to western MSM the Patriot shot down multiple Kinzhal missiles,
    so the Iskander should be no problem.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:25 pm

    Russian military destroys Ukrainian S-300 air defense system

    The Russian Defense Ministry has published a video of a missile strike which destroyed a Ukrainian S-300 air defense system deployed in the People’s Republic of Donetsk.

    The hardware was hit near the town of Pokrovsk, located some 67km north-west of the Russian region’s capital, Donetsk, the ministry said in a statement on Saturday.

    The attack on the S-300 was carried out with the use of Iskander short-range ballistic missiles, the statement read.

    Drone footage of the strike shows the Ukrainian air defense system being consumed by a large explosion.

    Awesome IIR footage of an Iskander strike... russia



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