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    Post  Backman Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:24 am

    ahhhhh I thought this only ever happened in Russia. Rolling Eyes And Israel is a micro state.



    The Israel Defense Forces were not ready for large-scale mobilization of reservists and combat deployment in war conditions — Israeli portal Ynet.

    The reservists gathered from all over the country were not provided with food, they did not have equipment, basic necessities and personal hygiene.

    Volunteers have already announced a nationwide collection of necessary items for reservists who continue to arrive at collection points throughout the country.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:03 am

    Backman wrote:This just shows once again that a lot can be accomplished with suicidal infantry. Regardless how high tech or advantaged you are, a man with a gun that isn't afraid to die or has been brainwashed into thinking he can win are the most valuable pieces on the battlefield.
    Just as rock beats paper, artillery dominance is the single most effective answer to nihilistic meat assaults. You may be the baddest commando who eats green berets for breakfast but all the same you will still die from hot supersonic shrapnel just as easily as green conscripts.

    But where is the Israeli artillery?

    Backman wrote:
    How many men does Hamas have ? They could probably keep this up for longer than anyone expects IF they have men in numbers.
    The Palestinians are an absurdly young people - around half are children. The majority of adult men who can work can not find work, relying on foreign aid to feed their families. For a society that lacks the capability to even sustain itself the regular culling of surplus males is a welcome feature, not a bug.

    You can see where this is going.

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    Israel's performance made Russia's reaction to its border incursions look expert in comparison. There was even a friendly fire incident with casualties. Israel could use some of Russia's weapons right now. I bet some Jewish Russians will lend a hand.
    Because it is. Professionals just make tough shit look easy. For Israel withstanding relentless meat assaults while under accurate devastating surprise strikes is a struggle between life and death, for Russia that shits a Tuesday on the Surovikin line.

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:13 am



    Well said .

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:30 am

    Hamas is not committing suicide

    It seems Israel has given 300,000 shells of 155mm artillery stockpiles to Ukraine thanks to the US

    This corresponds to 80% of the total artillery stockpile

    This is why Hamas through Hezbollah and Iranian intelligence conducted this attack

    It's two fold,  on one hand they make it difficult for any Saudi - Israeli normalization of ties

    And on the other hand, they bait Israel into an attritional fight which will take place in an urban environment, with weapons that they have stockpiled for years

    While Israel has given away many of its own stockpiles to Ukraine, and at this point has no way to build its stockpiles short-term thanks to US and NATO shortages themselves

    This is calculated , and the Israelis are currently trying to understand how they are going to conduct this war

    They have no good options right now

    Egyptian second army is going into readiness

    Might I remind in 2014 Gaza war took 34,000 shells - Israel has shells but it needs them for war with Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iran and Iraq if they send forces

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:33 am

    Sprut-B wrote:
    Couldn't have said it better.

    If that's the case, it makes both of you clowns.
    Atrocities that ukro breed nazis made are one of the main reasons why the global public opinion was not turned against Russia.
    It was impossible, as the motive of torturing POWs, civilians, Tornado things, executing POWs, and filming that - used to be widely spread in alternative information streams. Alongside, the same streams underlined that it is not a way Russians behave. A rape campaign set in the western mainstream hit only auditory stupid enough to listen to the notorious liars. And the most hilarious moments used to be the very own Ukrainian official prosecution bodies stating that there are no reported cases of rapes, live on Polish financed TV.
    The fact that our whining 5th column pussie doesn't get that and will try to offend me is crystal clear, and I don't give a shit. I was called worse by much better persons Laughing
    But you are a reasonable guy, most of the time. If you can't see the difference, well ...

    The end effect of both sides committing the same atrocities, humiliating dead bodies, pissing on them, and playing with kids will end up with people being sick&tired of both.
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    Post  TMA1 Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:17 am

    With everything I have read and seen so far this whole thing stinks. Why now? It seems so convenient and reading our msm with cynical eyes it feels like narratives are forming. For example I recently read an article about one of the supposed masterminds of this enterprise. It read like a story book and again conveniently they say he was little known before this and is very mysterious. They brought up some of his past and again it read like literal character building.

    No. With everything happening and with all I have read in msm it stinks. Have not found convincing and organic development behind any of this and the way the israeli gov and military acted in response is equally bizarre. Is anyone else seeing this? And the suddenness of the attacks and immediate posts from influencers and journalists depicting horrible optics. Add to this the story building and lack of hard information and all, I just dont like it.

    And add to all this the massive problems of western elites trying to find a way to quickly infuse money into the Ukrainian puppet state and the sad state of the Ukrainian offensive... it seems so convenient that just as there is a hopeful breakthrough to give a shit ton of money all at once to silence criticism of the conflict and then THIS strange conflict popped up to redirect everyone's attention. It will also push those who want to hold back aid for Ukraine as now the neocon/neolib cliques will just say we need to redirect attention to the mideast and the holding back of funds for Ukraine is hurting our ability to focus elsewhere....

    Is anyone else getting this? Is anyone else perplexed by this sudden happening and the events witnessed from it? It fucking stinks.
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    Post  starman Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:30 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:You are no doubt correct, but those Jews who oppose Zionism and the Israeli states persecution of the Palestinians (and their own Arab citizens) are a minority and have been proven to be unable to restrain the warmongers in their ruling regime.

    I'd have to agree. For years we've heard about lots of jews who oppose US or israeli policy. Pretty nice to hear but…...why isn't it ever translated into a change on capital hill??? Rhetoric and policy never seems to change one iota. I can't help but be suspicious. Are the claims of "good jews" real? Could it be a PR scam to deflect blame for the consequences of Mideast policy away from them?

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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:31 am

    @TMA1
    This conflict can certainly be used as an easy way out of Ukraine - redirecting "desperate funds" for Israel's "survival".
    This will save the US from the inevitable embarrassing defeat in Ukraine. Zeli is definitely not "liking" this one Laughing

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:25 am

    More killed IDF soldiers .

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:28 am

    The kids grow up .


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    What IDF expert on :

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    Post  nomadski Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:39 am




    The photos of Israelis , doesn't look much like Henry Kissinger or Woody Allen ! You know the big Ears , the big nose , drooping brows ! They look like Europeans . The jews must have married Europeans , during their long stay in Europe , over last centuries . But retain their religion and language . So they are European mostly . Converted to Judaism and later Zionism !

    Suspect





    Typical jew .


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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:42 am



    Al Qassam released a new AD system , interesting .


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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:42 am

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/855769422627931

    Husam Zomlot, leader of Palestinian Mission at UK, blasted the BBC over the West's biased coverage of the conflict.

    "How many times has Israel committed war crimes live on your cameras ? (...)

    You bring us here whenever Israelis were killed. Did you bring us here when many Palestinians in the West Bank, more than 200 over the last few months. Do you bring us here when there are such Israeli provocations in Jerusalem and elsewhere ? Because what the Israelis have seen, which we started by saying it tragic, the last 48 hours, the Palestinians see everyday for the last 50 years."

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:50 am

    ahmedfire wrote:

    Al Qassam released a new AD system , interesting .

    It is not AD system.
    But still very interesting, the thing seems to be a reduced version of 122 mm (?) Grad type of missile. Fuze looks like standard serially fabricated.
    The system is being remotely operated and aimed, and operating in a battery mode. Which makes it very unusual. I like it!

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:53 am

    What i really didn't like was disgraceful treatment of Arabs towards POW and captured civilians.

    What treatment should they expect, they refuse to allow Palestine to have a state and being a stateless group are they bound by the laws of war between states?

    These civilians are living on Palestinian land that was stolen and the old houses destroyed and brand new houses build... for these jewish civilians.

    The way western media portrays the palestinians you would think they are terrorists and murderers and rapists and would be just killing everyone.

    Someone who intends to rape you is NOT going to be put off by shit, blood or puke. The best anti-rape tactic is to kill or incapacitate whoever's trying to rape you, or run away if possible.

    I have no idea, rape is not something I would think of committing to be honest, though I think a chick that just shit her pants would be safe from normal consensual intercourse with me. Not that rape is really a laughing matter... it is a tool of war in that region of the world... the americans used it in their prisons to "turn" prisoners... and it would not surprise me if Israel didn't do the same when they thought it might work... not that that justifies anyone doing such things of course.

    The POW's would probably be used as human shields against Israel's indiscriminate bombing.

    The palestinian regions are tiny and have a high concentration of people they would want to defend so POWs would be one solution to the problem that might actually work... Israel doesn't care about palestinians, but seem to care about their own.

    And as bargaining chips. Hamas may get battered, but what an impression it has made! It's great to see not all arabs are becoming like US politicians, sucking upon to the zionists. One can only hope people in the "normalization" countries see the contrast between Palestinian courage and the capitulation of their governments.

    On that note I watched the local news about the situation and they interviewed a lecturer who didn't say the Palestinians were at fault and that they were terrorists and Israel is just defending itself as usual. He mentioned that the Palestinians are getting desperate and have not a lot of other choices with the actions of the Israeli government...

    Merkava IV's APS has failed. It was hit by an Iran designed RPG.

    Unless the APS ran out of munition this is proof that APS doesn't work.

    You can't say that all APS systems are failures because one system failed till you know more details of why it failed... was it turned on for instance. Many of those systems don't work if the vehicles hatches are open to prevent the APS system killing your own crew with fragments...

    They seem to have been very prepared for this conflict... did they hire Wagner to plan this???

    I suspect they likely found out about the detection system for the APS system and worked out how to jam it or fool it into giving the wrong information to the interception component of the system so it fired early or late or not at all.

    Israel requests additional military assistance from the US, RIANovosti.

    Blinken: Israel has asked the US for additional military assistance.

    Blinken is the old mother hubbard..

    Old Mother Hubbard
    Went to the cupboard,
    To give the poor dog a bone:
    When she came there,
    The cupboard was bare,
    And so the poor dog had none.


    But we shouldn't slander entire Jewish people. There is a distinction between Jews and Zionists.

    Very true, there are plenty of jews who think of the idea of Israel as being a bad idea that will turn people against them and creates conflict where there does not need to be conflict. Jewish people don't need their own country... what religion has its own country?

    This looks like a false attack.

    The problem seems to be that they only detect an attack when it starts... when it crosses the fence... which means if you cross the fence with thousands of targets at once the defence gets overwhelmed because detecting an attack is one thing but dealing with a huge attack is another.

    We saw this in Ukraine that the tiny force of Russian soldiers were being pushed back late last year by Ukrainian forces who just overwhelmed the Russian defences and forced them to withdraw just because there were too many targets for them to deal with so withdrawing in order and then shelling the enemy in their new positions was the tactic and it resulted in high kill counts for the cost of land... but of course the Russians weren't interested in holding land so that didn't matter.

    In this case the Israelis are very much interested in holding land so they couldn't retreat and use ranged weapons like artillery and air power to deal with the threat.

    Where is the much vaunted Israeli air power?

    Ukraine and Israel competing for resources, this could get theatrical

    No question whose calls get answered and who goes straight to call waiting...

    Now US is sending it's aircraft carrier near to Israel

    Russia has captured British naval drones, or should I call them suicide drones... perhaps Iran might want to test one in the Med... they would need a big target to make sure they don't miss...

    See what happens when you play stupid games... this is faster than I expected but did they think their enemies were powerless to follow their lead?

    The Israeli Merkava Mk.4 tank, destroyed by a copter drop, was hit in one of the most unprotected areas - from above. At the same time, the Trophy active protection complex was apparently disabled. The footage of the destruction of the tank and the capture of the crew clearly shows that the vehicle’s gun is covered. This suggests that the crew did not prepare the vehicle for battle and was counting only on intimidation, which is not only a gross violation of the instructions, but also simply stupid in such an attack.

    They didn't take the covers off the gun suggests they probably didn't turn on the APS system either... they weren't expecting to fight... and were not ready to fight...

    Reports of a successful airdrop operation carried out by Al-Qassam Brigades on the Tsalim military base in Beersheba, 40 km from the Gaza border, near the Dimona nuclear reactor.

    The plot sickens...

    This just shows once again that a lot can be accomplished with suicidal infantry. Regardless how high tech or advantaged you are, a man with a gun that isn't afraid to die or has been brainwashed into thinking he can win are the most valuable pieces on the battlefield.

    Israeli treatment of Palestinians makes it easy to show young men they have no future so why not fight to change this for your children and family...

    Israel's performance made Russia's reaction to its border incursions look expert in comparison. There was even a friendly fire incident with casualties. Israel could use some of Russia's weapons right now. I bet some Jewish Russians will lend a hand.

    To their credit... apart from a few outbursts to support Ukraine, Israel has not sent all the weapons and ammo they could have... or they didn't broadcast that they have, so Russia will likely not directly support their enemies, though if Iran wants to test some UK suicide naval drones a live test in the Med could be an option later on maybe... that wont hurt Israel but will hurt the US that is supporting Ukraine.

    Would everyone agree that is a inside attack or an false attack? it maybe to widen the war in the Middle East.

    I find it hard that some small group could do this.

    Not sure it is a small group... maybe they hired Wagner to formulate a plan or some other professional groups helped them... maybe Iran came up with the idea or maybe they worked it out for themselves, but this is a well coordinated sustained attack by more than a few nutters like before either Chechen war started.

    I don't know why nomadski, this feels like an inside attack and a prelude to some bigger war. The Americans are double faced bitches, they change, every second.

    Most US plans to succeed seem to backfire... Syria and Libya and Ukraine leap to mind where the eventual result is really not something the US benefits from in the long term. Actually managing to make Russia their enemy was quite an achievement, but I think it is something they will regret moving forward as their comfort levels go down and fewer and fewer countries want to trade with them because they are bastards.

    Israel is going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties.

    I just saw video of Israel blowing down two large multistoried apartment buildings... why would they start avoiding civilian casualties now, they have never tried that before?

    This time the kids don't have rocks, they have rifles.

    Pull the other one buddy. Only a retarded fool of the 1st order would accept that absurd BS.

    Speaking of which... where is whatshisname and the other trolls that pop up when Russia gets attacked... are they enjoying this or not?

    Zio trash asked for it. Now they have it in spades. No sympathy for these inhuman bastards.

    Have to say that with no accountability for them they have gotten worse and worse and worse, and that applies to Kiev who are also protected by western media and anyone who fears being called antisemetic. The problem is that if the label for speaking the truth and being fair about what should happen in that region for everyone makes me anti semetic then I guess I am anti semetic... such a charge loses its meaning.

    Didn't Ukrainians behead Russian POW, castrate them, and stick axes in their backs?

    But they are the bad guys... and I suspect the purpose was to get the Russian soldiers to respond in kind so evidence could be held up to show the Russian forces are drunk and incompetent and commit war crimes... but it really didn't work and probably made the Russians feel better about the Orcs they were gunning down in huge numbers.

    Or is that the good old racism in Europe?

    Only Hamas are goat fuckers and tribal?

    He is suggesting that it is counter productive for any side to do it, because those on the other side will certainly be gathering evidence to work out what happened and will try to track down those responsible to make sure they get what is coming to them.

    Like modern children who commit crimes and film themselves doing it and post it on social media... really dumb... on all counts.

    There are some Russian draft dodgers in Israel

    Wonder where they will be running to...

    It is awfully convenient atrocity porn wise, that an open air party with hundreds of people was happening in a field in southern Israel on the exact hour of the attack, within walking distance of it.

    In a region with a population of millions of people there are bound to be a few parties going on...

    Just as rock beats paper, artillery dominance is the single most effective answer to nihilistic meat assaults. You may be the baddest commando who eats green berets for breakfast but all the same you will still die from hot supersonic shrapnel just as easily as green conscripts.

    But where is the Israeli artillery?

    You mean paper beats rock, but drones (scissors) beats paper (artillery) and it seems the most advanced military in the world has not learned the lessons of war and don't protect their artillery from drone attack.

    The Palestinians are an absurdly young people - around half are children. The majority of adult men who can work can not find work, relying on foreign aid to feed their families. For a society that lacks the capability to even sustain itself the regular culling of surplus males is a welcome feature, not a bug.

    You can see where this is going.

    Sounds like a people trapped and with no future... nothing to lose... makes them very dangerous.


    Al Qassam released a new AD system , interesting .

    Wont be air defence, will be anti air defence... overwhelming Iron Dome defence systems...

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:59 am

    But where is the Israeli artillery?
    Too many israeli civilians around the palestinian commandos.

    Well said .
    Typical western reaction. All actions of Palestinians are conemned, Israelis are innocent victims.
    As soon as this "incident" ends and Israelis can go to bed peacefully again the west will forget about it.
    No "two-state" or whatever solution, just silence while Israel conducts more attrocities on a daily
    basis.

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:00 pm

    As per their Arabic description on the video , they mentioned it's anti aircrafts , let's see what is coming .
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:08 pm

    Aside from the chest-beating some here perform, there is one thing made crystal clear.
    It is a serious counterintelligence failure.
    What is even more shocking, we talk about a very small area of some 350+ square km.
    To give you perspective, it is some 600-700k inhabitants city.
    Sure we have much more dense infrastructure and a number of people, yet the area is seriously limited.
    Israel is claimed to have the most sophisticated and modern recon tools, compromised the HAMAS locations, infrastructure, tunnels and personnel for decades. Infiltrating them, carrying punitive operations like forever. Beheading the organisation, assassinating commanders and liders.
    And now, they didn't realize the incoming most massive rocket barrage in history?
    5000+ missiles to be fired require enormous logistical effort. Accumulating of transport tools, manpower, intense communication ... Hours of executing, days of planning involving thousands.
    All of that, assisted by hundreds of fighters who just ... stormed the military blockposts and bases?!?
    Bloody paragliders making a landing behind enemy lines?!?
    Naval raids and beachheading?!?

    Wow. Just wow.

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:19 pm


    Hamas rockets .

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:21 pm

    Israeli-Palestinian conflict chronicles:
    October 7-8, 2023

    https://twitter.com/rybar_force/status/1711251644279836785

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:26 pm

    Germany just stopped any aid to  the Palestinian .

    Yeah accept the occupation and take the aid .

    ...

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:29 pm

    One of the terminals of Ben Gurion Airport seems to be on fire

    https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1711318995771564480

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:40 pm

    ❗🇮🇱🇵🇸 Escalation in the Izraeli-Palestinian zone  1pm, October 9


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:45 pm

    ⚡Al-Qassam Brigades published scenes where they stormed enemy military sites in the northern Gaza Strip and destroying a number of vehicles and surveillance systems.

    https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1711330007606341718

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:50 pm

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    21 Palestinians, including women and children, were killed in an Israeli airstrike in Rafah, southern Gaza

    https://twitter.com/PalHighlight/status/1711329157387276395

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