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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:27 am

    Dead right.

    Anything that goes to the Moon or Mars is better if it is bigger and with a nuclear powered tug you can make it as big as you want, but the limits and costs of getting as big as you want off the surface of the earth and into orbit are the issue... an N1 does not make sense.

    It is the equivalent of trying to reach the top of Everest with one super huge backpack or cross the Antarctic with one really big sled.

    For the moon and mars it makes sense to send stuff before you expect to send people... in the case of Mars, Years before...

    If you can land most of the materials needed on the surface and have robots and 3D printers start using local materials to build shelters and other useful features so that when people arrive their might be shelters in place and potentially water resources in place for use as air or as water or rocket fuel.

    In terms of doing things having lots of launches of smaller cheaper rockets would work out cheaper and safer than a super big rocket with everything on it... if you lose one launch then replace the contents and launch another one.

    With an N1, if it blows up that is likely the end of the programme to the moon for a while, but a trip to mars is going to require large numbers of launches with super heavy rockets anyway... assembly is always going to take place in orbit... the fuel... the nuclear tug vessel, and everything else they would need to launch towards mars will need to go into earth orbit before launching to mars... lots of stuff wont need to go fast, but sending people you could use nuclear rockets to speed it up... an early launch could be used to test a nuclear tug and it could perhaps approach the two tiny Mars moons and bring back samples perhaps as a test before using the tug to take people when they are ready to go.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:25 am

    A new complex for preparing satellites for the Angara was launched at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, 03.31.2023.

    Military builders have completed the construction of a universal ground-based technical complex at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, designed for a full cycle of pre-launch preparation of spacecraft, upper stages and a space warhead for Angara rockets.

    “This complex will allow for the preparation of several types of spacecraft and upper stages for Angara launch vehicles of light, medium and heavy classes,” the Ministry of Defence said.

    Heavy launch vehicles "Angara" are created on the basis of universal rocket modules with oxygen-kerosene engines. The family includes several classes of missiles depending on the carrying capacity: light, medium, heavy and super-heavy.

    "Angara-A5" became the first space complex, which was released after the collapse of the USSR. The main goal set for Angara-A5 is to launch manned and unmanned spacecraft weighing up to 37 tons into high-energy orbits from the Russian Plesetsk and Vostochny cosmodromes.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/150730/

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:00 pm

    Kiko wrote:"Angara-A5" became the first space complex, which was released after the collapse of the USSR.
    This information is not true. After the collapse of the USSR , Russia created:
    - The "Soyuz-2" line: Soyuz-2.1a, Soyuz-2.1B, Soyuz-2.1v (this rocket is fundamentally different in general, since it has only two stages).
    - The "Proton-M" rocket and its 4 stages of modernization.
    - A line of "Angara" rockets.
    - Launch vehicles "Wave" and "Calm" - for launching satellites from submarines.
    - The "Dnepr" rocket.
    - "Soyuz-5" is being created right now.

    So the "Angara" line can be called the first space rocket complex, fully developed from scratch after the collapse of the USSR, but definitely not the only one released.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:19 am

    Actually what Russia should do is revive the Buran and Energyia projects, but updated and more modern... the Soviet space shuttle was actually rather clever because it was essentially a glider on the back of a rocket so if you wanted to launch a complete space tug that was nuclear powered you could take the Buran off the Energyia rocket and put the space tug there... up to 120 tons for the original, perhaps more for an improved more powerful model that could be launched into orbit in one piece.

    The current ISS is about 350 tons so the clever use of folding arrays of solar panels and modules you could launch a new ISS in three launches if you pack them right...

    But for most things it would make sense to just make them smaller and modular and launch them with multiple launches with smaller rockets and assemble them in orbit for their trips to other locations in the universe...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:06 am

    Russia is developing ion engines for a space nuclear tug

    Moscow. 5th of April. INTERFAX.RU - The State Scientific Center of the Russian Federation "Research Center named after M.V. Keldysh" (part of Roskosmos) is currently developing and testing ion engines for a space nuclear tug, said Vladimir Koshlakov, director general of the organization.

    "We have carried out a full cycle of their development (ion engines - IF) to use them as part of a nuclear tug that our country is creating," Koshlakov told reporters on Wednesday.

    According to him, these engines are distinguished by high specific characteristics, so it is advisable to use them for studying distant planets and missions.

    He also said that individual elements for a nuclear tug are being tested, for example, a turbogenerator, where the thermal energy of a nuclear reactor is converted into electrical energy.

    Earlier it was reported about the development of a space nuclear installation with a capacity of up to 1 megawatt. The project was named "Zeus". On May 22, 2021, Alexander Bloshenko, executive director of Roscosmos for advanced programs and science, announced that the first sample of the Zeus orbital nuclear installation would be ready by 2030.

    Nuclear power has already been used in space: in the period from 1970 to 1988, 32 spacecraft with a thermoelectric nuclear power plant were launched in the USSR, and in the period from 1960 to 1980, a nuclear rocket engine was developed and tested at the Semipalatinsk test site.

    The ion propulsion is a type of electric rocket propulsion. The principle of operation of the engine is based on the creation of jet thrust based on ionized gas accelerated to high speeds in an electric field. Such engines have a significantly lower thrust compared to chemical ones, but they are distinguished by low fuel consumption and duration of operation - the period of continuous operation can be calculated for years.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:11 pm

    The Angara-A5 rocket for the first launch from Vostochny will be delivered to the cosmodrome in September

    Moscow. April 10th. INTERFAX.RU - Roskosmos is completing the production of the Angara-A5 heavy-class launch vehicle for the first launch from Vostochny, its delivery to the cosmodrome is expected in September this year, Andrei Yelchaninov, the first deputy head of Roscosmos, said in an interview with Interfax .

    "The manufacture of the Angara-A5 rocket, intended for flight tests, is nearing completion. The expected delivery date for the Angara-A5 to the Vostochny Cosmodrome is September 2023," Yelchaninov said.

    Also, according to him, in May 2023, it is planned to supply a full-size electric refueling mock-up of the Angara heavy rocket to the cosmodrome for comprehensive testing of units and systems of the technical and launch complexes.

    “All this makes it possible to ensure readiness for the start of flight tests of the heavy-class space rocket complex in 2023,” said the first deputy head of Roscosmos.

    Earlier it was reported that the first launch of the Angara launch vehicle as part of flight tests from the Vostochny cosmodrome is scheduled for December 2023.

    On January 19, the head of Roskosmos, Yuri Borisov, at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, said that work on creating a launch complex for Angara launch vehicles at the Vostochny cosmodrome would be completed in 2023.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:16 pm

    Khrunichev Center adapts Angara for launching modules of the Russian Orbital Station

    General Director of the enterprise Alexei Varochko spoke about the completion of the preliminary design of the heavy-class launch vehicle with improved energy characteristics "Angara-A5M"

    MOSCOW, 10 April. /TASS/. Center them. M. V. Khrunicheva (part of Roskosmos) will adapt the Angara-A5M launch vehicle for launching modules of the promising Russian Orbital Station (ROS). This was announced in an interview with TASS by the general director of the enterprise Alexei Varochko.

    "The upgraded Angara-A5M carrier rocket will be used to launch the ROS modules. Currently, preliminary design is underway to adapt the rocket to various modules that will be the basic elements of the new Russian orbital station," Varochko said.

    Also, the draft design of the Angara-A5M heavy-class launch vehicle with improved energy characteristics has already been completed, and design documentation is being developed.

    In April 2021, Yuri Borisov, who at that time was the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, stated that the state of the ISS leaves much to be desired, so Russia can focus on creating its own orbital station. It is now in its preliminary design. In October 2022, Deputy Prime Minister - Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov told reporters that the preliminary cost of creating a promising Russian orbital station is already known.

    As reported in February in an interview with TASS, Deputy General Designer of the Rocket and Space Corporation (RKK) Energia (part of Roscosmos), Chief Designer of ROS Vladimir Kozhevnikov, the launch date of the first, scientific and energy, module is planned for the end of 2027, the hub, airlock , basic and target modules - for the period 2028-2030.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:21 pm

    Production of the first Rokot-M rocket started in Russia

    MOSCOW, 10 April. /TASS/. Center them. M.V. Khrunicheva (part of Roskosmos) has begun manufacturing some elements of the first Rokot-M flight launch vehicle with a domestic control system instead of the Ukrainian one. This was announced in an interview with TASS by the general director of the enterprise Alexei Varochko.

    "As part of the Rokot-M project, a contract was made with our cooperation on component parts, bench products are being manufactured, as well as a number of elements of the first flight rocket with long production times," Varochko said.

    In August 2018, in the materials of the Center. M. V. Khrunichev, presented at the Army-2018 forum, it was reported that the company is working on the creation of the Rokot-2 launch vehicle with a new control system that will replace the Ukrainian one installed on the Rokot missiles. Initially, the launch was planned for 2022.

    In May last year, the Director General of the Center. M. V. Khrunicheva said in an interview with TASS that after a detailed audit of the equipment for the Rokot, experts came to the conclusion that it was also necessary to put in order the equipment that had been in operation for a long time and had already exhausted its resource. Therefore, now the first launch of the Rokot-M launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome is planned for 2024.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:30 pm

    Rosatom will produce a prototype plasma engine for space flight

    Rosatom to produce a prototype plasma engine for space flights in 2024

    MOSCOW, April 10 - RIA Novosti. Specialists of the Rosatom enterprise Troitsk Institute for Innovation and Fusion Research (TRINITI) are scheduled to manufacture a prototype plasma rocket engine for space flights in 2024, the press service of the nuclear state corporation reported.

    "As part of the work on creating a prototype of a plasma rocket engine in 2022, the institute created a plasma accelerator with a system for preliminary ionization of the working fluid, experimentally studied the energy balance in a plasma flow with a high specific impulse and developed methods for increasing the service life of electrodes in it. After completion of all work in 2024 In 2019, the institute will produce a prototype engine with increased thrust and specific impulse parameters," the report says.

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    Connected to the Zeus nuclear-electric deep space tug? It doesn't say it outright but very likely IMHO.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:34 pm

    Roskosmos announced plans to supply rocket engines to India, 04.10.2023.

    Deputy head of Roscosmos Yelchaninov: Russia is discussing a contract with India for the supply of RD-191.

    Roscosmos is discussing with India the supply of RD-191 rocket engines, Andrey Elchaninov, the first deputy head of the state corporation, said in an interview with Interfax.

    “Now we are discussing the details, characteristics and scope of deliveries. We hope to reach a contract in the near future,” he said.

    In December last year, Valery Sherin, Deputy Director General for the Implementation of State Powers of Roscosmos, said that Roscosmos was studying the possibility of supplying ten RD-191 rocket engines manufactured by NPO Energomash to India in the period from 2024 to 2029.

    The agreement, he said, will make it possible to load enterprises and attract "very significant extra-budgetary sources of financing [for] the development of an already domestic space program."

    The RD-191 engine was developed for a family of Russian launch vehicles in 1999–2011. It is a single-chamber liquid-propellant rocket engine that runs on kerosene and liquid oxygen. Its first flight tests took place in 2014.

    The head of NPO Energomash, Igor Arbuzov, told RBC in August 2019 that the company was discussing with Indian representatives the development of cooperation in the field of engine building. The talks also discussed the transfer of a license for the right to manufacture engines in India in the range from 100 to 400 tons.

    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/643406209a794744ed5de353

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    Post  Kiko Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:10 pm

    Putin announced the allocation of more than 251 billion rubles for space activities, 04.12.2023.

    In 2023, more than 251 billion rubles will be allocated for space activities in Russia, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with the head of Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov.

    The head of state congratulated the head of the state corporation on Cosmonautics Day and offered to discuss the state of the industry and its prospects, TASS reports.

    “This year we have a little more, in my opinion, even planned budget allocations for space activities: last year it was about 224 billion [rubles], and this year it is already more than 251 billion. Revenue is growing,” Putin said.

    He added that everyone is interested in Russia's plans "in this exceptional industry."

    Borisov, in turn, said that the financial condition of the industry is stable. Roskosmos understands where to move.

    Earlier, Putin congratulated everyone involved in the space industry on Cosmonautics Day and wished them success in space exploration.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:55 pm

    Borisov said that Putin approved the creation of the Russian orbital station, 04.12.2023.

    Roskosmos CEO Borisov: Putin approved the creation of the Russian orbital station.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the creation of the Russian Orbital Station (ROS), said Yury Borisov, Director General of Roscosmos, during the presentation of state and departmental awards in the Kremlin Palace.

    “He approved all our proposals for the creation of the Russian orbital station and readiness for the transition to mass production of satellites,” said Borisov ( TASS quote ).

    At a meeting with Putin on Cosmonautics Day, Borisov said that the draft design of the station would be ready in the summer, but the main parameters and appearance of the station, the stages of its creation at Roscosmos were already known. According to the head of the state corporation, the new orbit will allow "deepening and mastering the technologies that will be necessary for deep space, in particular for the lunar program." Putin, in his address on the occasion of Cosmonautics Day , said that ROS should become the country's outpost in space.

    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/643703b99a79472ad78f9f08

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    Post  franco Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:44 pm

    Read somewhere today that there are presently 192 Russian satellites in space. Cannot locate article at the moment.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:30 pm

    Final assembly of Nauka module on the ISS is finally underway.  The radiator module stowed on the Rassvet module has been transferred to Nauka.  Still need to transfer the airlock module.

    Russian cosmonauts transferred the radiator to another module of the ISS

    MOSCOW, April 19 - RIA Novosti. Russian cosmonauts Sergei Prokopiev and Dmitry Petelin, while working in open space, and Andrei Fedyaev, at the control panel of the manipulator, transferred the radiator from the Rassvet ISS module to the Nauka module, Roscosmos is broadcasting the exit.

    "The radiator is already fully attached to the Nauka module," the broadcaster said.

    Prokopiev and Petelin went into open space at 04.41 Moscow time. They undocked the electrical cable between the additional radiation heat exchanger (radiator) and the Rassvet module, dismantled the plug from the radiator and opened the four locks that attached it to the module. After that, the radiator was transferred using the ERA manipulator, which was controlled by Fedyaev from inside the station, to the Nauka module. After the transfer, Prokopiev and Petelin dismantled the docking plugs from the Nauka module and docked the radiator with the module. Now they have to connect the electrical cable.

    The radiator is needed to conduct experiments on the multi-purpose laboratory module "Science".

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    Good video of the EVA  thumbsup even if they insist on calling it "The European Robotic Arm in action"... biased tech journos can't give Ruskies any credit it seems

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:43 pm

    Not a Russian mission but worth celebrating...

    STARSHIP BLOWS ITSELF INTO A MILLION FCKING PIECES WHEN IT CATASTROPICALLY LOSES ATTITUDE CONTROL PRIOR TO STAGE SEPARATION AND EXPLODES ON ITS INAUGURAL FLIGHT AT 04:06 AFTER LIFT-OFF

    Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

    Not that I'm gloating...  Very Happy

    The most hilarious part is the cheering of the crowd when it blows its guts out.  These morons are so overdosed on hopium/copium that they celebrate a monumental failure.  The Soviet N1 was a shit system cuz it failed 4x test flights
    yet exceptionalist Murkan hyper-tech is no better, and the crowd are celebrating....

    Unbelievable, but amazingly satisfying.

    Looks like the US military are just going to have to wait a little longer for their suborbital global rapid-reaction deployment system  Razz   Lunar and Mars ( Razz ) colonists even longer.

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:59 pm

    Would have been much better had it exploded right at take off and taken out the launch site with it.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:09 pm

    You read my mind Laughing

    Oh well, the N-1 flew free of the launch pad on its maidan flight before KO'ing the pad on the 2nd attempt.  Hopefully Starshit will emulate its elder brother. Razz

    It really surprises me how close SpaceX place their pad infrastructure to the pad itself. Fuel storage facility is a stones throw from the rocket itself and they don't invest in deep flame trenches to divert the engine wash. Compare the level of infrastructural investment between the spartan Starshit base and the Angara pad at Vostochny. SpaceX seems to assume that catastrophic failures on the pad (like N-1 L-3) can't occur so build it simple (and cheap), while Ruskies clearly plan for the worse case events and invest massively in well distributed and buried facilities.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:43 pm

    Starship is a stupid concept

    By 2035-2040, Russia would be in a good situation if the ROSS can be orbited

    I would like to see more than 1 roscosmos station at multiple orbits and to practice shuttling equipment between them

    Imagine a constellation of stations where modules with equipment can be docked as they are ferried to the moon

    I think that is the most sensible plan and would be worth investing in rather then a reusable giant ship which runs the risk of losing the entire crew and its payload on launch or ferrying missions

    Yes it would take more time to setup that kind of shuttle system, but we won't have the technology to establish a lunar base until 2040-2050 anyway and maybe even later than that

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:48 am

    At about 46:20 on that video you can see half a dozen rockets are not even burning... but it got clear of the tower so it was a mission success.

    Seems like the US is going to get to Mars by being able to climb up on all of the participation medals they give themselves for each step they take...

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    Post  lancelot Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:37 am

    Yeah it seemed like a big failure to me. If they cannot get enough engines to operate reliably that is a major issue. Not just some minor blip like they claim.
    The engines are most of the cost of developing a rocket. If the engines or the plumbing need to be redesigned, that is not something you can do cheaply, especially not when they already manufactured quite a few of these rockets already.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:57 pm

    Getting clear of the tower is a mission success?  Razz

    That means that the history books need to be changed to reflect that 3x of the N-1 tests must be retrospectively considered to be sucesses given that all tests except N1-5L cleared the tower Laughing

    Westeners have slagged off N-1 for having "unreliable" engines given some failed during testing, yet Starshit had 6x failures early in the flight and apparently more failed late in the ascent.  Raptor it seems is much less reliable than Kuznetsovs 1960s era NK-15s  Razz  Western tech media are making idiots of themselves as they attempt to pass off this farce as a "success"  Razz

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    Edit:  It seems to me that the stack not only lost attitude control but the engine bay on the BFR was on fire.  There are clear similarities between this failure and the terminal phase of the 2013 Proton failure.  This test was an unmitigated FAILURE in just about any conceivable metric.  Claiming this as a "success" is akin to Murkan neoconz saying that Ukropistan is "winning" the war and that  Russia is in crisis  Razz  Razz  Razz  Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:53 pm

    On the surface it appears that Soyuz-5 pad in Baikonour under the Baiterek project is still on track, at least judging from official pronouncements.

    “We intend to complete the implementation of the Baiterek project”

    Yuri Borisov held a working meeting in Astana with the Minister of Digital Development, Innovation and Aerospace Industry of Kazakhstan Bagdat Musin.

    The parties discussed the synchronization of work on the creation of the Soyuz-5 rocket and the launch complex at Baikonur under the Baiterek project.

    The parties noted the strategic importance of the project and agreed to continue work on its implementation.

    On Monday, Yuri Borisov held a meeting at the Progress RCC in Samara dedicated to the creation of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.

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    Interestingly, on this topic in the NASA Spaceflight forum, the topic has been named as "Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout" Razz   Wonderful example of idiot Westeners trying to bend reality to their preferred outcomes!!

    IMHO I doubt the temperamental Kazakhs would consider pulling out from Baiterek & Soyuz 5 as they know that without Russian rocketry products the sprawling Baikonour complex will become nothing but a tourist attraction.  No Western power will invest in the site, and the Kazakhs have no real chance to independently maintain a space launch industry.  IMHO Russia is committed to Soyuz-5 as it provides an up-scaled modular capability to complement the Angara architecture and can be used to assemble a SHLV for national security uses.  Relying solely on Kazakhstan for a Soyuz-5 pad has always been a political decision, and I'm sure that Roscosmos is re-evaluating this reliance. BTW I expect Russia will ultimately start on a Soyuz-5 pad at Vostochny once the Angara pad is complete.

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:55 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Interestingly, on this topic in the NASA Spaceflight forum, the topic has been named as "Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout" Razz Wonderful example of idiot Westeners trying to bend reality to their preferred outcomes!!

    That topic was started in 2012, when Kazakhs decided to pull out of the plan to make the former energia launch pad at Baikonur compatible with Angara. (Read the first post of that thread). After this, Roscosmos righfully decided to construct Angara pad at Vostochny.

    In hind sight, it was increadibly stupid of Roscosmos to have Soyuz-5 launching from Baikonur instead of commiting to build a launch pad for it at Vostochny in the first place. Now they are facing all sorts of extortion from the Kazakhs.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:22 pm

    Soyuz 5 is useless anyway. It is basically rehashing the Zenit rocket. Russia has the Angara which can do the same missions. The Angara can be launched from Plesetsk and soon will be able to be launched from Vostochny as well.

    The whole thing is a make work program because the companies which designed and made the Proton and Soyuz, they are not the same, and they still want to have separate rocket families. The unified Angara rocket family can do all the missions both of those rockets could do. And then some. There is way too much duplication in the Russian launch sector.

    Part of the reason why the current situation with the two launch providers has persisted is because the Angara rocket took so much damned time to get developed and working properly. So Soyuz and Proton had to pick up the slack. The Russian state should have funded the new launch site earlier. The whole Angara project has probably been delayed for like a decade or more because of this.

    And do not even get me started on the Super Heavy rocket, Yenisei, which in my opinion is a total waste of time and money. Just fund the Angara A7 rocket properly.

    Stop wasting money at Baikonur and let it rot. Build the two Angara launch pads at Vostochny. Put manned space facilities at Vostochny. Increase production rate of Angara. Cancel the Yenisei rocket and Soyuz 5. Use the freed up money to fund reusable rockets, the new Russian space station, and deep space propulsion with projects like the Zeus space tug.

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