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    Post  George1 Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:41 pm

    “The head of the Federal Air Transport Agency announced the suspension of work on the certification of the Ka-62. The new Russian helicopter is almost 60% imported”

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4610737.html

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:38 am

    I knew about the French engines but considering the Ka-62 is a civilian version of the military Ka-60 why are so many components foreign... surely the Ka-60 would need to be all Russian for Military use... it is being delayed for the engines but the avionics and materials and rotor blades should all be Russian on both types.

    Foreign customers who want western components should buy western helicopters.

    Note on that website there is a news feed down the side and one of the articles it mentions:


    Hit of the season - one anti-aircraft missile shot down 4 (four) M31A MLRS HIMARS missiles at once

    Interesting... if off topic. Very Happy
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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:51 am

    George1 wrote:“The head of the Federal Air Transport Agency announced the suspension of work on the certification of the Ka-62. The new Russian helicopter is almost 60% imported”
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4610737.html
    Man the saga of this helicopter has been a sheer tragedy. I still remember hearing about the Ka-60 in the late 1990s. Still not flying some 24 years later.

    So this will make it what the 3rd redesign that it needs? I think I have heard of some 4 engines being proposed for it. The Chinese are also going to use a Safran Ardiden 3 engine on one of their helicopters, being built under license in China, and that is also seriously delayed. The Russian Klimov VK-1600 engine for this helicopter is currently in the test stand and likely will finish its gas generator tests this year. But who knows when will it be read for mass production. Klimov has not had the best track record that is for sure. I hope they are over the hump now with the VK-650 and VK-1600 projects. But who knows. The Ka-60 itself had all sorts of issues from vibration to lack of stability which meant they needed to redesign the tail of the helicopter and ended up outsourcing the gearbox to some Austrian firm. I just do not get it. How come the Mi-28 came out around the same era and works just fine and this one does not? Is it because of more demanding requirements in modern civilian helicopters?


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    Post  sepheronx Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:54 am

    I'm certain Ka-60 was all foreign too.

    Restart the project under a different name, redesign around parts they already make, and call it a day.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:01 am

    sepheronx wrote:I'm certain Ka-60 was all foreign too.

    Restart the project under a different name, redesign around parts they already make, and call it a day.
    The Ka-60 was not foreign originally when it showed up in 1998. But it was a disaster. I remember reading about it back then. It was supposed to use a Saturn engine. The RD-600V. They never got that working properly. And the gearbox had serious vibration problems so the helicopter was not controllable at high speeds. They got the prototype to hover slowly and that was about it.



    Oh and the tail section, they had to redesign it too, because it was also unstable.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:09 am

    Back then I'm not surprised. So much money laundering, piss poor production and no real vision, or at least management to do it.

    I would wager now would be a different story. But is it necessary to waste resources on this or do you think they should still attempt?

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:I'm certain Ka-60 was all foreign too.

    Restart the project under a different name, redesign around parts they already make, and call it a day.

    If it has legacy design problems, then starting from scratch would be better. If they have people who have seasoned
    on the job and are competent, then that is what counts. Penny pinching that results in a bad product is retarded.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:27 am

    This helicopter and engine were originally designed at a time when Russian industry did not have access to modern software simulation tools. The late Soviet and early Russian industry had software tools for design, basically CAD, but not simulation. So a large part of design was basically done as a kind of craftsmanship. Until you built the thing you never quite knew if it would work as expected.

    I think this is part of the reason why Klimov, for example, took so long fiddling with the VK-800 never getting it right. But today the VK-650 and VK-1600 are being designed with software simulation tools. So you can test it without building it first. I think those programs have a way better chance of succeeding.

    As for the Ka-62 itself, there are many helicopter programs simultaneously right now, and with the demands of the SMO who knows what might get the axe. You also have the Ansat and the Ka-226 for example. And all these helicopters have the same issues. No engines, need to redesign the gearbox and transmission for the new engines once they are available, crappy old style avionics, etc.

    I still think it makes sense to make this helicopter though. I think they removed the kinks out of it by now. And any imported components can be replaced.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:31 pm

    A small but interesting note about the Ulyanovsk aircraft factory. In particular, it is reported that in 2024 they plan to reach the rate of production of 10 IL-76-MD-90A per year, but for this they need to increase the staff:
    https://m.73online.ru/r/aviastar_gotovitsya_k_bolshim_nagruzkam-112268

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:38 pm

    Moscow. November 14th. INTERFAX.RU - RF will allocate 44 billion rubles to the United Engine Corporation (UEC, part of Rostec) to expand the production of aircraft engines. This was announced by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin during a meeting with deputy prime ministers.
    https://interfax-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/interfax.ru/s/business/872342
    "On behalf of the President, the production of aircraft engines for the entire line of domestic civil and military transport aircraft will be expanded. For these purposes, the United Engine Corporation will be able to use over 44 billion rubles of federal funds," Mishustin said.
    He recalled that within two years it is necessary to ensure the production of about 50 PD-8 engines for SSJ-NEW equipment, 20 PS-90A for medium-haul Tu-214, 14 PD-14 units intended for MS-21.

    At the same time, all planned research work on the creation of the PD-35 high-thrust engine must be completed. It is important to complete the development and creation of a prototype of this power plant by the end of 2024, the head of government noted. He instructed Deputy Prime Minister - Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov to personally monitor the implementation of this task.

    According to the draft state budget for the next three years, the financing of the state program for the development of the aviation industry in 2023 will amount to 38.5 billion rubles, in 2024 – 41.5 billion rubles, in 2025 – 39.2 billion rubles. In particular, 885 million rubles are pledged annually to support engine-building enterprises.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:30 pm

    Regarding the Ka-60/62 it is important to remember that tail rotors are not something Kamov would be familiar with and Mil will have aircraft prototypes in a similar weight class that would be competition to the Kamovs so their motivation to help would not be significant.

    Klimov will have been spending most of their efforts on new engines for the majority of the Russian inventory of helicopters in the 10-12 ton weight class... ie the Helix and Hokum and Havoc and Hind and Hip which all needed replacing when Motor Sich stopped cooperating and to be honest making those engines was more important than VK-600 or VK-1600 engines, which they are clearly working on now.

    Bigger engines for Mi-26s still need to be developed too but it sounds like they are looking at making some based on PD engine designs.

    At the same time, all planned research work on the creation of the PD-35 high-thrust engine must be completed. It is important to complete the development and creation of a prototype of this power plant by the end of 2024, the head of government noted.

    WOW... that is very significant news... previous comments suggested the PD-35 would be delayed but this sounds like they are pushing hard for such an engine... which sounds rather promising in regard to any Il-106 or Slon concept prototypes...

    An Il-106 with two PD-35 engines would be a high priority because it should have excellent performance and be very much an An-22 replacement which was popular because it was cheaper to operate than the bigger An-124 but with good range.

    Having just two engines the Il-106 should be cheaper to operate than the An-124 while being able to carry most of the loads the An-124 carries.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:07 pm

    https://aviation21.ru/razrabotka-samolyota-uts-800-podxodit-k-stadii-lyotnyx-ispytanij/

    The development of the UTS-800 aircraft is approaching the stage of flight tests
    16.11.2022,

    The training complex for initial training of pilots UTS-800, which is being developed by the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA), is approaching the stage of flight tests. About this at the forum "Cities of Russia 2030: Challenges and Actions 2:0"informedGeneral Director of the special economic zone "Titanium Valley", where the production sites of the plant are located, Andrey Antipov

    “There is a large resident - the Ural Civil Aviation Plant, which produces aircraft, now it is the L-410, now it has flown, there were more than 30 sorties, the nine-seat Baikal aircraft, which is replacing the An-2. The next aircraft is Ladoga with 44 seats. Now it is practically approaching the flight tests of the UTS-800,” Antipov said.

    According to him, a new branch of aircraft production has appeared in the Sverdlovsk region since 2017 with the start of production of the L-410 aircraft. For this, a specialized complex was built. Later, an aircraft manufacturing cluster began to form on the territory of the Titanium Valley. Currently, the Aviator technopark is operating, where production facilities are being built around the anchor resident.

    “We are gathering around pickers who produce navigational equipment. We plan to place small companies in this technopark, which will occupy from 200 to 3.5 thousand square meters. m,” he said.

    In July 2021, the director of the Aircraft division of the UZGA, Evgeny Sergeev, reported that the plant would assemble the first flight copy of the new UTS-800 training aircraft in December 2021. In August last year, it was planned to carry out a mock assembly.

    Rally good news, here some other info on the aircraft.

    https://en.topwar.ru/186870-jak-152-vs-uts-800-rossija-vybiraet-letajuschuju-partu.html

    It is a new trainer which can replace the yak52 (as the yak152 has still the problem with the "german" diesel engine), and uses the same VK-800S engine that will be used by the Baikal aircrafts and by the Russian version of the Let L-410.

    This engine project was almost "abandoned" by Klimov (which is currently finishing the development and testing of the VK-650V and VK-1600V turboshafts),  but the engine department of the Ural Civil Aviation completed its development and certification and is responsible for its production.

    Anyway, basically Ural Civil Aviation Plant is covering all the niche of small to medium local and regional passenger planes previously made by Antonov.
    An-2 (Baikal), An-28 (Russian version of the Let L-410), An-24 (TVRS-44 "Ladoga").

    We will see if they will start also developing cargo versions with rear ramp of the latter aircraft.

    If so basically they would be the inheritor of Antonov legacy for the "lighter" aircrafts, while Ilyushin can concentrate on the heavy and superheavy aircrafts (And Tupolev and Yakovlev can take the niche in the middle).

    I am only worried about the Let L-410. In the current plan for Russian civil aviation production  there are many of those for the next few years (as posted earlier in this thread, 20 L-410 per year until 2030)

    ... I am sure they are now able (or will be next year) to do a fully russian version of it, but how do they manage with IP now that Let is not anymore owned by a Russian firm?
    Just do chinese style(or polish stile, with their own modernised version of the An-28, which is in the same niche) and just change the name (it is anyway a local aircraft that is more needed for Russia and not for export)?

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:09 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    ... I am sure they are now able (or will be next year) to do a fully russian version of it, but how do they manage with IP now that Let is not anymore owned by a Russian firm?
    Just do chinese style(or polish stile, with their own modernised version of the An-28, which is in the same niche) and just change the name (it is anyway a local aircraft that is more needed for Russia and not for export)?

    Maybe a deal was done on the IP?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:41 am

    So the Russian company that is making rip off foreign planes finished the design of a Russian engine to make their own trainer aircraft to stiff Yak over the Yak-152... classy...

    So the result is probably the Yak-152 is dead and Russian designed planes competing in the roles for light transports will also get screwed and beaten by foreign designs Russias ownership of their designs are not really clear about.

    How can that be a good thing?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:50 am

    GarryB wrote:So the Russian company that is making rip off foreign planes finished the design of a Russian engine to make their own trainer aircraft to stiff Yak over the Yak-152... classy...

    So the result is probably the Yak-152 is dead and Russian designed planes competing in the roles for light transports will also get screwed and beaten by foreign designs Russias ownership of their designs are not really clear about.

    How can that be a good thing?
    They can still finish the adaption of the aurora car engine and use it for the yak152.

    The big question is (or was) how could it be a hood thing to pay a Russian engineer a shitload of money to develop and produce new engine in a new established company in Germany and do not even own the IP and the production capability?
    Yak130 had partially a "foreign" engine which was designed and produced in Zaporozhye,  but at least now (since 2015 I believe) that engine is produced in Russia.

    Anyway, that company started with the production of foreign planes under licence, but grew up and developed different capabilities and their own design bureau.

    I was not happy in the past when they were just producing foreign aircrafts under licence, but it was also to cover a niche not currently covered by Russian planes.

    Most design solution are anyway derivative of something else with some improvements.  Even those called "clean sheet design".

    Anyway, in theory at least the Baikal aircraft is a new design.


    By the way on the large civil aviation sector instead, the west is currently in advantage but nether boeing, nor Airbus have new models in development.




    https://leehamnews.com/2022/11/14/with-boeings-decision-against-new-airplanes-airbus-will-stand-down-too/
    By Scott Hamilton

    News: Boeing’s decision to suspend the launch of any new airplane until the middle of the next decade means innovation of any kind from any company is largely dead for the next decade.

    Airbus won’t launch a new airplane either, now that Boeing has stood down, says its former chief strategic officer, Kiran Rao. Rao is now an advisor to airlines and lessors. He had been with Airbus for 25 years in sales and product strategy.

    While Boeing’s decision to suspend new airplane development casts a dark cloud over its strategic future, Airbus now is going to rest on its own status quo, Rao said.

    Summary:

    Airbus engineers will atrophy.
    Boeing was “one step away from checkmate” against Airbus in 2005-2006 and made a big mistake not taking up the opportunity.
    GE and Safran don’t want to innovate. Pratt & Whitney can’t do much beyond today.
    Boeing should have launched the NMA. It would have beaten the A321XLR.
    The NMA would have created a new market.

    At least here Russia has a brand new project for the narrowbody market and the extra long range versions of the MC-21-400 can beat the A321XLR.

    Furthermore the problem is also for the western engine producers. There is not a new project in development anymore. Actually participation on the Russian Chinese wodebody could have been  extremely important for them, also to ensure further development work.
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    Post  Kiko Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:58 pm

    Carry on, gentlemen! Carry on!

     The first flight of the second prototype Il-114-300 aircraft is scheduled for the end of December 2022, 11.19.2022.

    Lukhovitsky Aircraft Plant named after P.A. Voronina will sign an agreement for the production of 19 Il-114-300 aircraft. About itdeclaredHead of the Lukhovitsy urban district Sergei Timokhin during a working meeting on November 18 with Governor of the Moscow Region Andrei Vorobyov. He also said that flight tests of the first Il-114-300 aircraft assembled in Lukhovitsy are scheduled to begin at the end of December this year.

    “Our key city-forming enterprise LAZ im. P.A. Voronina plans to conclude an agreement for the production of new 19 Il-114-300 turboprop civil aircraft in the next 3-4 years. And on December 26 of this year, the first flight tests of these machines should begin, ”said Sergey Timokhin.

    “We visited it with you at the end of April. The Il-114-300 project was then at the stage of assembly and refinement, and it is very pleasant that tests of this machine will begin soon, ”said Andrey Vorobyov.

    In accordance with the comprehensive program for the development of the aviation industry, by 2030 the Lukhovitsk Aviation Plant is to produce 70 Il-114-300 aircraft, the first deliveries will begin with two aircraft in 2024, in 2025 it is necessary to build eight aircraft and then 12 aircraft annually.

    In July 2021, as part of the MAKS air show, the State Transport Leasing Company, PJSC Il and Avrora Airlines signed an agreement of intent to lease 19 Il-114-300 aircraft. At the beginning of September 2022, the head of STLC Evgeny Dietrich announced that by 2026 it is planned to supply Aurora Airlines with modern domestic aircraft, including models such as SSJ100 NEW, Il-114-300. “Until the end of 2022, we plan to conclude all leasing contracts with Aurora for the supply of aircraft,” he said at the WEF-2022 in Vladivostok on September 7.

    Thus, the head of Lukhovits, Sergei Timonin, confirmed the implementation of preliminary agreements on the supply of 19 Il-114-300 aircraft on lease to the single Far Eastern airline Aurora, signed at MAKS-2021 . The first two vehicles will most likely be handed over to the Far Eastern carrier in 2024.

    The first prototype Il-114-300 took off on December 16, 2020. This board was assembled at the production site of PJSC "Il" in Zhukovsky on the basis of the aircraft s/n 01-08 from the backlog of the Tashkent aircraft plant (TAPOiCH) from 1994. The unfinished car was stored for a long time at the LII. M. Gromova. The aircraft is equipped with a TV7-117ST-01 turboprop engine, a similar type of engine was installed on the Il-112V light military transport aircraft, after the crash of which in August 2021 flight tests of the Il-114-300 were suspended.

    In parallel, since 2020, the Lukhovitsky Aviation Plant has been assembling the second experimental Il-114-300 (s/n 01-10). It is this machine, according to Sergei Timokhin, that should take off on December 26, 2022, ground tests continue on the 01-08 aircraft.

    In early February of this year, the head of the Federal Air Transport Agency, Alexander Neradko , reported that it was planned to complete the certification tests of the Il-114-300 in 2022, and in March 2023 the aircraft should receive an airworthiness certificate. However, after the start of the NWO and the EU and US sanctions imposed on Russian civil aviation, the plans were forced to change, and the certification of the Il-114-300 was postponed until the end of 2023. This was announced on July 15 this year by Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov, speaking in the State Duma. At the same time, given the plans for the first deliveries of the IL-114-300 in 2024, the certification of the machine may be postponed for another year.

    As part of the approved scheme of cooperation between UAC enterprises, the center section, wing consoles with mechanization, tail surfaces and engine nacelles for the Il-114-300 are manufactured at VASO in Voronezh, and fuselage panels, hatches and doors are manufactured by Ulyanovsk Aviastar. The assembly of the fuselage compartments from Ulyanovsk panels is carried out by the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft building plant Sokol,clarifiedin the editorial office of the Vzlyot magazine.

    "Today we can say with confidence that the professional skills and qualifications of VASO engineers and workers made it possible to fully master the production of units for the Il-114-300,” says Yury Shestakov, head of the VASO unit assembly production.

    Nearly 100% of the parts for assembling the empennage and wing units of these aircraft, including composite ones, are manufactured in the workshops of the Voronezh Aviation Plant. In addition, the specialists developed and manufactured the original IL-114-300 sliding wing and keel stocks, which made their assembly more efficient. In general, VASO manufactures more than 40% of the airframe units of the new regional aircraft, told in the UAC.

    https://aviation21.ru/pervyj-polyot-vtorogo-opytnogo-samolyota-il-114-300-zaplanirovan-na-konec-dekabrya-2022-goda/

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    Post  lancelot Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:50 pm

    It remains to be seen if this crappy Klimov engine will not be causing any problems here as well. I hope not.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:06 am

    The big question is (or was) how could it be a hood thing to pay a Russian engineer a shitload of money to develop and produce new engine in a new established company in Germany and do not even own the IP and the production capability?

    Russia needs to acknowledge the west is at war with Russia and wipe all IP and copyright rules for a set time period... the way the Americans did after their war of independence...

    Russia can make or design anything it pleases that it needs and not worry about complaints from the west who appear to be about to steal 300 billion dollars from them anyway... they could place a moratorium on western copyright and IP rights for a period of 10 years or so to compensate Russian companies from western sanctions and BS.

    They can still finish the adaption of the aurora car engine and use it for the yak152.

    They should be trying to make as many different engine types as they can... such an engine could be used in trucks and cars and also light aircraft and also drones... but it is only a matter of time before all these vehicle types become electric motor driven with these engines generating electricity in real time to run the electrics.

    Later on battery power or even nuclear battery modules might replace the fuel driven motors.


    At least here Russia has a brand new project for the narrowbody market and the extra long range versions of the MC-21-400 can beat the A321XLR.

    And because of that any airline that adopts the Russian plane will not be allowed to operate in the west... because Euro rules for aircraft will be specifically designed so Russian models fail... like they have been doing for years.

    Furthermore the problem is also for the western engine producers. There is not a new project in development anymore. Actually participation on the Russian Chinese wodebody could have been extremely important for them, also to ensure further development work.

    Russia should work with China and Brazil and other countries including South Africa and offer engines of all types for joint programmes to make platforms and just separate themselves from western companies.

    It remains to be seen if this crappy Klimov engine will not be causing any problems here as well. I hope not.

    That is a bit unfair... from the crash report it sounded like the problem was only two fire extinguishers on the engine that were oriented towards the engine and not the fuel lines and where the engine was attached to the wing.

    The engine seemed to do what was expected.

    All you people who cry and have tantrums because of one plane crash that poisons your minds to an engine and two aircraft types... almost like you read too many western views that Russia can't design planes any more... well designing new planes does not mean everything works perfectly first time every time... you don't just built a prototype and put it straight into serial production like the YF-35.

    The crash was obviously unfortunate, but which planes can't crash?
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    Post  Kiko Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:35 am

    Flights of the MS-21 aircraft with a wing made of Russian PKM resumed, 11.23.2022.

    In Irkutsk, flight tests of the MS-21-300 aircraft with tail number 73361 (c/n MS.0013) were resumed - the first MS-21 with a wing made of domestic composite materials. About itreportedin the telegram channel of the Vzlyot magazine.

    As follows from the information of the flightradar24.com service, second flight of this aircraft, which lasted a little more than three hours, took place on November 19. On November 22 and 23, two more flights were made.

    The editors of the magazine suggested that these flights are being carried out as part of a test program for the approval of the main change (OGI) of the type design of the aircraft in terms of the composite wing.

    At the conference “PD-14 engine for civil aviation” within the framework of the MFD-2022 forum, Anatoly Gaidansky, Deputy General Director of the Irkut Corporation , informed that static and life tests of the wing and mechanization units, as well as the qualification of materials, had already been completed under the import substitution program for foreign composite materials . Until the end of November, it was supposed to perform 10 final certification flights, after which the corresponding approval of the main change to the type certificate should be issued in December.

    In the future, according to Anatoly Gaidansky, the MC.0013 aircraft will become the second prototype under the MC-21-310RUS program, for which it will be equipped with a full set of domestic on-board systems and components. In this form, it should enter flight tests in April 2024. The entire flight part of the program of additional certification tests is expected to be completed by the end of November 2024, and in December it is planned to issue the OGI for a fully imported version of the MS-21, which will allow the supply of production aircraft to the airline to begin.

    “For the first time, board 73361 took to the air on December 25, 2021, after which it went through improvements in the final assembly shop for a long time, during which, probably, it began to implement measures for import substitution of on-board systems,” the Rise editorial staff believes.

    https://aviation21.ru/vozobnovilis-polyoty-samolyota-ms-21-s-krylom-iz-rossijskix-pkm/

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    Post  lancelot Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:31 am

    The news of the first flight of MC-21 with Russian composites kind of eluded me. It is cool that this is flying already. I thought it would only happen early next year at best.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:57 pm

    SSJ 100R

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    Post  lancelot Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:10 am

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    Picture from that article. It is good to see they are not skimping on the testing. This will ensure the design of PD-8 engine nacelles on SSJ does not cause any problems.

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    Post  Krepost Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:18 am

    The first MS-21 in the colors of Rossiya airlines

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    Post  lancelot Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:37 am

    Rossiya deserves to have priority in receiving this aircraft. Unlike their parent Aeroflot they have funded Russian aircraft for years. While Aeroflot just unceremoniously dumped their Superjets on them.

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