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    S-300P/S-400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #4

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    Post  kvs Fri May 17, 2024 1:17 pm

    The funny thing is that people have no reference metrics to evaluate Russia's performance. Somehow it is failing with the pathetic level
    of Ukr attack damage, but the US is "winning" after its Patriot systems did a rotten job in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. As usual we have no
    context and just fanboi masturbation.

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 17, 2024 1:23 pm

    There is no AD capable of intercepting 100% of targets 100% of the time. There are not enough S-400 vehicles destroyed in more than two years of war, to form even half a battery of S-400. And no matter how many times you move an AD, you can't hide forever.

    Moving them is a good thing, but while they are moving they don't work... and moving targets are easier to spot and actually moving does not protect you from drone attack.

    Russians are slow learners, but they learn.

    I wouldn't say that. This process has repeated several times with different wonder weapons that were new and different enough to achieve some results, but that experience can't be used to prevent any future success against any system. They had to wait for systems to be used to learn their signatures and their features and their strengths and weaknesses. By next week, if not already they will start using them against civilian targets because military targets will have defences that stop them every time.

    Having a pussy gene, though, that's terminal.

    Churchil was a dick but he was right about war. War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.

    It doesn't mean war is funny. It means in war you are going to lose but if you show loss then the enemy will take advantage.

    If you can't cope with the loss of a couple of planes then you shouldn't be in charge in a war situation... just be glad the four crew were not on board at the time.

    And while Kiev claims 14 killed 1,000 of Kievs pawns die each day in each area of the front line... with that perspective you are crying because the sky is falling?

    This was an unusual event that is unlikely to be repeated many times, if at all... those thousands of Orcs dying every day is happening over periods of months and years and does not appear to be stopping.

    Their defensive lines are imaginary and retreating to them puts them at a huge disadvantage because even though if they were there glide bombs and tulips would deal to them, with them not being there makes things even worse because those retreating soldiers get the job of picking up a spade and digging...

    They are already under stress and now they are digging their positions and the Russians are still coming...

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    Post  ALAMO Fri May 17, 2024 1:42 pm

    ... and while our doomers have 5 min of fame & glory, huge explosions in both Odessa and Charkov, as Iskanders blow something to pieces.
    Multiple explosions and black smoke rises sky high.

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    Post  Sujoy Fri May 17, 2024 2:04 pm

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    Post  Hole Fri May 17, 2024 3:18 pm

    Western expert (after seeing the first few seconds of the video): Look how slow it starts! 
    lol1

    in more than two years of war, to form even half a battery of S-400
    There were propably more damaged during exercises.

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    Post  GarryB Sat May 18, 2024 4:17 am

    Western expert (after seeing the first few seconds of the video): Look how slow it starts!

    Hahahaha... a missile that size cold launched and ejected from its launcher dozens of metres up into the air is just going to roar away like a butterfly with a jet engine...

    Sounds like they don't qualify for the term expert in this case.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat May 18, 2024 7:20 am

    There is no targets serious enough to use this monsters.
    However, missiles were produced and stocked, as the system never faced a real life test - luckily.
    I guess they are just doing so, and spending stocks of old missiles.

    kvs wrote:Somehow it is failing with the pathetic level
    of Ukr attack damage,

    AND Israel.
    They are to replace Patriots for a reason.
    At US taxpayers' expense, but who cares? Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sat May 18, 2024 9:58 am

    Sounds like they don't qualify for the term expert in this case.
    It was a joke.
    And the first seconds of the video are in slow motion.  Very Happy

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    Post  galicije83 Thu May 23, 2024 4:15 pm

    Another S400 destroyed by atacsm in donetsk region...

    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1793630311516975148

    its open hint on S400 systems....its 2nd in this month...
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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu May 23, 2024 5:20 pm

    galicije83 wrote:Another S400 destroyed by atacsm in donetsk region...

    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1793630311516975148

    its open hint on S400 systems....its 2nd in this month...

    Yeah and do you ever wonder on things like :

    -Is the battery online ?
    -How long it was there ?

    If Ukraine got it when the battery just arrived then there is nothing they can do. The Russians have to make a new schedule on deployment. Odds are they were using same site multiple times, which allow Ukraine to map their position then choose time when to attack.

    Also one unique thing.. The destroyed radar appears to be 96L6TsP. This were seen with S-350 system but clearly other system can use them too.
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    Post  GarryB Fri May 24, 2024 12:55 am

    Two in a month... amazing... but not as good as the second best army in the Ukraine war that seems to have taken down Patriot batteries at will... but the critical difference... did you notice?

    When the Russians destroy a Patriot battery they go on to hit all the targets that battery was defending and often hit dozens of different targets hard.

    When Kiev scores a fluke it seems the Russian air defence platform they hit or pretend to hit is all they are going for with all the missiles and drones and recon assets and decoys and cruise missiles they have.

    It is pretty clear who is winning and who is losing and minor successes like this become meaningless in context, yet some people crow about it like it is D Day and is going to turn the whole war around and that the Russian military is fundamentally broken if they can allow this to happen... how dare the Russian military get into a fist fight and come home with a scratch from the enemy who was swinging a womans handbag. That tiny scratch on your arm means they win...

    Well that might be true in the propaganda war, but in the real world it is something you laugh about because who doesn't want to fight such a pussy that is fixated on things that don't matter and focus all their energy and effort and resources and blood and money on pointless show wins they can take to their funding sources to prove they are winning and getting good value for their money... so they can get more money.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri May 24, 2024 1:28 am

    As the fighting gets more desperate then so will the escalations. I fear in their madness our elites might even try some ridiculous no-fly zone. So yes you will see more major systems lost. Out elites are giving them the best signals Intel money can buy and upgraded quasi ballistic missiles. The only things which can definitively hit these buggers in a volley is maybe THAAD, definitely AEGIS and definitely S-500. Even with these systems they would need a lot of them to overlap each other's field of action.

    It is going to get scary. This is a sign of desperation. Why? It is reckless and foolish. Expect even more reckless acts to the point of no-fly zones and well, ww3 Lord forbid.

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