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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:55 pm

    Better Manu & Mario wise up, because Christine will very soon stop breastfeeding their economies.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:38 am

    let me guess .... Sir Patrick Dickpuller Sanders the 3rd
    with a degree in Lawn Bowls .... Masters Degree in Masturbation

    General Sanders must hear a lot of KFC jokes... like... if he knew 13 herbs and spices he would be Colonel Sanders by now...

    Sad that General Sanders is such a dick... I had a lot of respect for General Michael Jackson...

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:51 am

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-process-has-started-the-main-thing-now-is-not-to-interfere-part-3%ef%bf%bc/
    Good article about the Ruble.

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:
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    Gazputin wrote:"UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson also made a surprise visit to Kiev this week, offering President Volodymyr Zelensky a major training program for Ukrainian forces, with the potential of training up to 10,000 soldiers every 120 days."`
    So the UK is offering to train 20 days worth of cannon fodder every 120 days? Perhaps they need to look up the definition of "Attrition".

    On the latest figures from the Ukrainian side 20 days could be being very optimistic. The logistics are impressive if wildly optimistic, we are talking about 3 weeks training, so that's the best part of 1800 trainees to move in and out of wherever they are being trained. Crazy.

    Trainer: This is an assault rifle. (shows class an M-16)
    Trainee: Can I see it again?
    Trainer: We don´t have time for that.

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    Post  Broski Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:31 pm

    Anytime the US, UK or EU "assures" Russia of anything (e.g. not one inch east), you can bet the farm that they have every intention of doing the opposite.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:36 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:

    Adding insult to injury is not something that only the maggots of the West can do... Lithuanians better enjoy their last moments of relative calm before the WWIII swallows them.


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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:37 pm

    I found this remarkably prescient article about Victoria Nuland from Salon written last year. Worth a read.
    https://www.salon.com/2021/01/19/who-is-victoria-nuland-a-really-bad-idea-as-a-key-player-in-bidens-foreign-policy-team/

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:57 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Adding insult to injury is not something that only the maggots of the West can do... Lithuanians better enjoy their last moments of relative calm before the WWIII swallows them.

    imho all Baltics will enjoy return to Soviet Union 2.0 It happens when the time is right. Not necessarily in couple of next years. West must degrade a bit more. Recall Roman Empire. They needed almost 200 years to disappear. Luckily now is should go by order of magnitude faster russia russia russia

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    Post  Broski Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:21 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    Adding insult to injury is not something that only the maggots of the West can do... Lithuanians better enjoy their last moments of relative calm before the WWIII swallows them.

    imho all Baltics will enjoy return to Soviet Union 2.0 It happens when the time is right. Not necessarily in couple of next years. West must degrade a bit more. Recall Roman Empire. They needed almost 200 years to disappear. Luckily now is should go by order of magnitude  faster russia russia russia
    The Soviet Union was a net-drain on Russia, if there's any common sense left in the Kremlin they will never burden themselves with the likes of Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and Galicia ever again.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:26 pm

    Euro and USD question. Lads, ok Gazprom or Roscosmos sell their goodies for Rubles but what do Russia with all those euros/usd influx stream to Russian banking system? they effectively cannot leave Russia as almost all is sanctioned?


    does anybody have an idea what happens with all euros/dollars coming into Russian banking system?





    Lavrov will pay an official visit to Tehran on June 22

    Earlier, the Iranian Foreign Ministry said they were waiting for Lavrov at the end of the week. Said Khatibzadeh, official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic, said on Monday that negotiations will be held to expand cooperation between Russia and Iran in the Eurasian and Caucasian regions.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:50 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Euro and USD question. Lads, ok Gazprom or Roscosmos sell their goodies for Rubles but what do Russia with all those euros/usd influx stream to Russian banking system? they effectively cannot leave Russia as almost all is sanctioned?


    does anybody have an idea what happens with all euros/dollars coming into Russian banking system?  





    Lavrov will pay an official visit to Tehran on June 22

    Earlier, the Iranian Foreign Ministry said they were waiting for Lavrov at the end of the week. Said Khatibzadeh, official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic, said on Monday that negotiations will be held to expand cooperation between Russia and Iran in the Eurasian and Caucasian regions.
    https://ria.ru/20220621/lavrov-1797177110.html

    It isn't money sitting in Russian banks. Most of it are bank notes or promises. Nothing to do with physical cash.

    Its all zero's at this point and worthless.
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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:38 am

    They can use the dollars and euros to buy assets in the BRICS. Then the money gets recycled.
    Some might also be funneled through the Middle East's Muslim banking system.
    God knows the Chinese do not want it. They already have too much of that funny money.

    I would also use it to buy precious metals from Russian companies. Where they used to sell gold, platinum, palladium, in the London Precious Metals exchange for these currencies. Now they sell it to ME. And they can figure out what to do with it.


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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:42 am

    Anytime the US, UK or EU "assures" Russia of anything (e.g. not one inch east), you can bet the farm that they have every intention of doing the opposite.

    The english language is a fickle thing... the claim that Lithuania does not want escalation is a misrepresentation of what is happening... Lithuania has escalated the situation, what they don't want is a response from Russia regarding their escalation... good luck with that...

    Their actions are going to incur a cost on Russia... they cannot expect Russia to absorb that with no consequences.

    imho all Baltics will enjoy return to Soviet Union 2.0 It happens when the time is right.

    Absolutely not... why fix up those broken countries... isolate them from all Russian trade and traffic and let them atrophy on the vine.

    Their reason to be was a link from the EU to Russia, so when ties are cut from the EU side and the Russian side they become an empty space... of desert.

    Euro and USD question. Lads, ok Gazprom or Roscosmos sell their goodies for Rubles but what do Russia with all those euros/usd influx stream to Russian banking system? they effectively cannot leave Russia as almost all is sanctioned?

    Good question... maybe use it to pay debt/dividends to western investors?

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:44 am

    GarryB wrote:Good question... maybe use it to pay debt/dividends to western investors?
    No way. Pay non-western investors with these currencies yes. Western investors get rubles. Until they give the RCB reserves back.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:11 am

    The West preparing to self-fulfil their prophecy about the invasion of the Baltics?

    Let them escalate further until their criminal behaviour is fully exposed. Then pay back in due time

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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:25 am

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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:30 am

    Broski wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    Adding insult to injury is not something that only the maggots of the West can do... Lithuanians better enjoy their last moments of relative calm before the WWIII swallows them.

    imho all Baltics will enjoy return to Soviet Union 2.0 It happens when the time is right. Not necessarily in couple of next years. West must degrade a bit more. Recall Roman Empire. They needed almost 200 years to disappear. Luckily now is should go by order of magnitude  faster russia russia russia
    The Soviet Union was a net-drain on Russia, if there's any common sense left in the Kremlin they will never burden themselves with the likes of Poland, Lithuania, Georgia and Galicia ever again.

    That´s an old myth. It looks like that because Gorbi and Jelzin let it all break apart. After that all of the investment was lost. But the same would be true for any part of Russia declaring "independence". Then people would say that all the money spend in Wladiwostok or Krasnodar was a drain for the rest of the country.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:45 am

    LMFS wrote:The West preparing to self-fulfil their prophecy about the invasion of the Baltics?

    Let them escalate further until their criminal behaviour is fully exposed. Then pay back in due time

    All the bitching over the last 20 years about Russian natural gas "blackmail". But when NATzO does it, then it is
    holy and kosher. This time around Russia needs to close the taps on its own supplies. NATzO has crossed
    the line.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:10 am

    owais.usmani wrote:
    This is not a problem because Russia made a sea terminal and bought a floating regasification ship.
    Kaliningrad also has some gas storage.

    https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/kaliningradskoye-facility-expansion/
    http://odk-gt.ru/index.php/en/products/gas-compressor-equipment/gpa-4
    http://odk-gt.ru/index.php/en/press-centre/news/258-uec-will-supply-gas-compressor-sets-to-kaliningradskoye-ugs-facility

    https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:5771740/mmsi:273437230/imo:9778313/vessel:MARSHAL_VASILEVSKIY
    As you can see the floating regasification ship is already close to Kaliningrad.

    I would be more concerned about the gas power plants themselves. In case they might be using foreign parts.
    https://www.power-technology.com/marketdata/kaliningradskaya-thermal-power-plant-2-russia/
    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/56968

    This claims the turbines are made by Power Machines. But I wouldn't be surprised if these were Siemens turbines assembled by Power Machines.
    AFAIK Power Machines has no 160MW gas turbines of their own make yet.

    They also have a coal power plant for backup.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:44 pm

    lancelot wrote:They can use the dollars and euros to buy assets in the BRICS. Then the money gets recycled.
    Some might also be funneled through the Middle East's Muslim banking system.
    God knows the Chinese do not want it. They already have too much of that funny money.

    I would also use it to buy precious metals from Russian companies. Where they used to sell gold, platinum, palladium, in the London Precious Metals exchange for these currencies. Now they sell it to ME. And they can figure out what to do with it.
    They can't pay anything with that money if it is sanctioned. Clearing houses are ECB and FED. This is why conversion is done to rubles.
    On the side note, I'm waiting to see how quickly can they solve RUB strength problem. Probably, further cutting interest rates and some further relaxation of forex requirements for exporters and population. Ruble in low 50's is not good for them.
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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:51 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:They can't pay anything with that money if it is sanctioned. Clearing houses are ECB and FED. This is why conversion is done to rubles.
    On the side note, I'm waiting to see how quickly can they solve RUB strength problem. Probably, further cutting interest rates and some further relaxation of forex requirements for exporters and population. Ruble in low 50's is not good for them.
    They are increasing pensions (June 1) and minimum wage (July 1) by 10% to compensate rise in consumer prices. The ruble will lose value eventually.

    The state could have just waited for prices to come back down with deflation to previous levels but that would cause problems in the industry where they have to pay loans on equipment and facilities etc. They would start shedding staff and people would lose jobs. So some level of inflation will have to be tolerated. The correct adjustment is raising people's incomes to compensate and this is what they do.

    If the ruble still remains stubbornly overvalued you might see a further increase in pensions and minimum wage. Say by 5%.

    The government will thus increase money supply and put it directly at the bottom of the pyramid. Those hardest hit by price hikes. Not the top.

    The unemployment from all these Western shit services like McDonalds, Starbucks, will soon stop being an issue, the Russian government exempted catering services from VAT in 1 January 2022. This should boost the business prospects for cafes and restaurants and ensure a lot of people get hired. As soon as the previous tenants vacate their space it likely won't take more than a month or two. The clothing and apparel, I think Russia needs to increase the amount of people in fashion design in Russia, all clothes stores just outsource production to China and Bangladesh. The business is shop fronts and design teams. Not manufacture. Why hand that money out to foreigners? I mean the Chinese won't mind opening shops in Russia for sure. I heard they are already buying chain stores from the Poles. But why leave this to foreigners when Russia's specific climate means they should have their own specific clothes as well? The West is making an embargo on Xinjiang cotton. West cotton shortages as a result reach the point women don't have tampons. I saw buy all of it, make jeans, or whatever, and sell it in Russia. Screw these Western brands.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    imho all Baltics will enjoy return to Soviet Union 2.0 It happens when the time is right.

    Absolutely not... why fix up those broken countries... isolate them from all Russian trade and traffic and let them atrophy on the vine.

    Their reason to be was a link from the EU to Russia, so when ties are cut from the EU side and the Russian side they become an empty space... of desert.


    I dont agree here. Baltics location is dangerous for Russia geographically as US weapons can be just placed there/ military or intel.
    Baltics shall be "recovered" from NATO to either friendly countries or...those who dont lik ecan emigrate somewhere else isnt it? (taht's what now Russian speaking population is going through)


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    Euro and USD question. Lads, ok Gazprom or Roscosmos sell their goodies for Rubles but what do Russia with all those euros/usd influx stream to Russian banking system? they effectively cannot leave Russia as almost all is sanctioned?

    Good question... maybe use it to pay debt/dividends to western investors?

    The problem is that this all has to go through SWIFT and EUROCLEAR. SWIFT afaik works only in USD... so until new system is created money can be stuck...

    I am curious how Russians are working around with this challenge.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    It isn't money sitting in Russian banks.  Most of it are bank notes or promises.  Nothing to do with physical cash.

    Its all zero's at this point and worthless.


    Sure but you need swift/Euroclear to move anything ... so you can have a lot in balance and cannot use it.

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