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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:05 am

    kvs wrote:U-rope could get away with colonial rape of hunter gatherer societies  

    fuuuck I've just spilled coffee on my keyboard. Damn you kvs ! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:43 am

    Go home Europe, you're drunk

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    Post  Broski Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:54 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:funnies continued, so respect contracts that we didn't (i.e. rules bazed world order  lol1  lol1  lol1  )

    Gentiloni says EU expects Russia to respect energy contracts

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gentiloni-says-eu-expects-russia-respect-energy-contracts-2022-09-03/
    It is, that's why NS1 is shutdown. I'm pretty sure its stipulated in their contract to shutdown turbines that are in need of repair as soon as faults as discovered. Now all the EU has to do is have Siemens take these turbines, fix them and send them back to Russia. 

    Too bad those EU-imposed sanctions will make that task impossible.  clown clown clown thumbsup

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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:31 am

    I hope the maintainance work will takes more time Laughing

    Is cutting the gas from NS1 affects on the gathering system and valves on long term ?

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    Post  Kiko Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:34 pm

    Broski wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:funnies continued, so respect contracts that we didn't (i.e. rules bazed world order  lol1  lol1  lol1  )

    Gentiloni says EU expects Russia to respect energy contracts

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gentiloni-says-eu-expects-russia-respect-energy-contracts-2022-09-03/
    It is, that's why NS1 is shutdown. I'm pretty sure its stipulated in their contract to shutdown turbines that are in need of repair as soon as faults as discovered. Now all the EU has to do is have Siemens take these turbines, fix them and send them back to Russia. 

    Too bad those EU-imposed sanctions will make that task impossible.  clown clown clown thumbsup

    Why not replace the fuckin' Siemens stuff with UEC Saturn ones.
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:53 pm

    Kiko wrote:
    Why not replace the fuckin' Siemens stuff with UEC Saturn ones.

    At this point I am curious to see to what levels of absurdity and copium the West is willing to go while their citizens freeze their arses off. I want to see the copium and people on the streets.

    I am here just for the violence attack

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:58 pm

    Because Saturn does not offer this type of turbines.
    We talk about SGT-A65 turbine that generates 60-70MW power.
    Saturn offers much weaker types, in a range of 6-10MW, or big GTD-110M that is almost 120MW.
    Aside from that the efficiency of older turbines is nowhere near the Siemens one (almost 50% versus 25%).
    Another answer, why don't you put a V8 5.0l engine inside your Skoda? Laughing

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:14 pm

    That's the point. The EU will either break it's enormous pride or it will break itself altogether. With America having the proverbial knife to the EU's throat, the first choice will not happen. Watch for the cries for the dismantling of NS2. They will go all the way, I fear. Those cliques at the height of power are so wrapped up in their ideologies and the outcome of their plans that they cannot do anything else. Thry have become brittle and deluded. Like a senile old patriarch.

    Reminds me of a historical account from long ago. On Harod the Great's deathbed, he had ordered all the males of the city to be rounded up in the theater and slaughtered. He felt that since his doom was coming, he certainly could not die alone and so all the others should join him in death.

    His closest men assured him that his order would be carried out. Needless to say the task was never fulfilled and the bizarre, wicked order never left Harod's bedroom. But I just felt that the EU was exhibiting similar deranged states as this king of old. Sad, horrific, and quite pathetic.

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:09 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:I hope the maintainance work will takes more time  Laughing

    Is cutting the gas from NS1 affects on the gathering system and valves on long term ?

    The pipes are not going to be affected by the flow shutdown. The volume of gas produced
    at the gas fields can be regulated since there are valves at the well extraction points. The
    stories about Russia flaring off the gas must be related to reducing the amount in the pipelines
    to reduce the pressure.

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:11 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Because Saturn does not offer this type of turbines.
    We talk about SGT-A65 turbine that generates 60-70MW power.
    Saturn offers much weaker types, in a range of 6-10MW, or big GTD-110M that is almost 120MW.
    Aside from that the efficiency of older turbines is nowhere near the Siemens one (almost 50% versus 25%).
    Another answer, why don't you put a V8 5.0l engine inside your Skoda? Laughing

    Russia was doing Germany a favour. Now it does not have any more reason not to fully replace Siemens
    products.

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:12 pm

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    Is there anyone from Britain here, do your prices really show such an increase in the above positions?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:41 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Because Saturn does not offer this type of turbines.
    We talk about SGT-A65 turbine that generates 60-70MW power.
    Saturn offers much weaker types, in a range of 6-10MW, or big GTD-110M that is almost 120MW.
    Aside from that the efficiency of older turbines is nowhere near the Siemens one (almost 50% versus 25%).
    Another answer, why don't you put a V8 5.0l engine inside your Skoda? Laughing

    Russia was doing Germany a favour.   Now it does not have any more reason not to fully replace Siemens
    products.  

    The SGT-A65 is the former industrial Trent 60, an aeroderivative industrial gas turbine that is an adaptation of the Trent 800, one of the engine options for the original Boeing 777 with more than 40 tons of thrust.

    About 8 years ago Rolls-Royce sold its energy business (including the Montreal facility, where most of the work on the aeroderivative gas turbines was made) to Siemens.

    Very stupid sale, in my opinion, because aeroderivative industrial gas turbine was an important niche and Siemens was not a player there at that time (they only had the heavy duty industrial type).

    I am sure that Perm and Saturn will develop new aeroderivative gas turbine from the PD-35 that will be able to cover the same niche.

    Saturn GTD-110M should instead be a heavy duty industrial gas turbine, like many of the larger Siemens gas turbines.

    Here some info about the differences between the two types:

    https://www.turbomachinerymag.com/view/gas-turbine-selection-heavy-frame-or-aeroderivative



    Gas turbine selection: Heavy frame or aeroderivative
    April 25, 2012
    Amin Almasi



    Optimum gas turbine selection can be done after good comparison of the different types of turbines There are variations between aeroderivative and heavy frame industrial gas turbines including weight, size, efficiency, design, bearing type, and lubrication oil system.

    Heavy industrial frame or aero-derivative

    Heavy frame industrial gas turbines compared to aeroderivative gas turbines are usually slower in speed, narrower in operating speed range, heavier, larger, have higher air flow, slower in start-up and need more time and spare parts for maintenance. Heavy frame industrial gas turbines use hydrodynamic bearing.

    Aeroderivative gas turbines use anti-friction bearing. Advanced aircraft engine and space technologies have been used to provide maintainable, flexible, light weight and compact aeroderivative gas turbines. The key to maintainability is the modular concept which provides for removal of components and replacement without removing the gas turbine from its support mounts.

    The heavy frame industrial units, by contrast, require more amount of effort to remove and replace components (especially combustor parts) and more effort to inspect or repair the sections. The user should weigh needs and requirements against the variety of gas turbines offered. Traditionally, preference has been to place the aeroderivative units in remotely located applications (including offshore) and to place heavy frame industrial units in easily accessible base-load applications. The heavy frame industrial gas turbines consume more fuel and more air than the aeroderivative units. They are exposed to a greater quantity of the contaminants in air that cause corrosion.


    Today aeroderivative gas turbines offer 10-15% more efficiency compared to heavy frame industrial type gas turbines. Some engineers predict aeroderivative gas turbines may replace traditional heavy frame industrial type gas turbines in the future!

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:56 pm

    There is another enterprise in Russia called Russian Gas Turbines. It is a joint venture with General Electric, and they do supply some model in the 80MW class. It is a new company, built from ground zero not even 10 years ago. I have no idea are they somehow included in Russian development plans.

    kvs wrote:
    Russia was doing Germany a favour.   Now it does not have any more reason not to fully replace Siemens
    products.  

    "Doing a favour" hardly applies to the situation when you don't produce things you need.
    Sure, they could go for some Japan or Korean, or US made ones - still had to "do someone a favour".
    The very same applied for the NS1 pipes. Russkie industry was unable to deliver the needed quantity and quality, which is why the cake was delivered to Japanese, Germans, and even Italians. The part of order located in the Russian factories had to be supplemented by the Germans anyway, as they could not match the quantity lines.
    There is nothing bad or unusual here, Russian industry was built bottom up for the last 2 decades.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:11 pm

    ALAMO wrote:There is another enterprise in Russia called Russian Gas Turbines. It is a joint venture with General Electric, and they do supply some model in the 80MW class. It is a new company, built from ground zero not even 10 years ago. I have no idea are they somehow included in Russian development plans.

    Russian Gas Turbines several months ago achieved 100% indigenization of the GE 80 MW F-class Gas Turbines they were previously building from parts kits.
    As usual Uncle Sham gets the deal while U-rope gets shafted.

    AFAIK this cooperation with GE was started after Siemens failed to deliver gas turbines to Crimea after the annexation. Prior to that I think Russia only had a GE service center.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:18 pm

    Both interesting and funny Laughing
    So Siemens was to cut his fingers due to "sanctions", but General Electric jumped in instantly Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:23 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Both interesting and funny Laughing
    So Siemens was to cut his fingers due to "sanctions", but General Electric jumped in instantly Laughing Laughing
    Well, Siemens is a German multinational company with several assets for the energy sector in Canada.

    GE is an American company.

    Usually American sanctions are to screw up American vassals "allies" especially EU nations, and America has often exception when it is in its own interest

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:55 am

    Eastern Economic Forum kicking off today in Vladivostok
    https://forumvostok.ru/en/

    Putin will be there, whole bunch of Russian officials and regional leaders as well.

    By way of foreign dignitaries, we have the PMs of Armenia and Myanmar by the looks of it.
    Prime Minister of Mongolia but executive power rests with the President in Mongolia; so that's a no. 2
    And the no. 3 of China, the Chairman of the People's Congress
    India's delegation will be led by its ambassador to Russia but with India's PM giving a video address, and the Malaysian PM will also provide a video address

    Not too bad really

    https://news.am/eng/news/718611.html
    https://www.barrons.com/amp/news/myanmar-junta-leader-to-visit-russia-01662186309

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:04 am

    This :

    https://forumvostok.ru/en/thematic-areas/vinograd/

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:40 am

    Some People in Germany are raising the Russian flag , gas issues Razz

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:58 am

    Why not replace the fuckin' Siemens stuff with UEC Saturn ones.

    Not till after the Germans fix them... besides it makes more sense to use Saturn turbines in pipelines taking gas to Asia because Europe clearly does not want Russian gas.

    I am sure Germany insisted on Seimens turbines for their pipes... let them sit idle... the gas price just goes up... so even with reduced sales Russia still makes good money, but EU leaders have to tell Europeans why they are suffering for Americas war in the Ukraine... helping a people they don't even like...

    Because Saturn does not offer this type of turbines.
    We talk about SGT-A65 turbine that generates 60-70MW power.
    Saturn offers much weaker types, in a range of 6-10MW, or big GTD-110M that is almost 120MW.
    Aside from that the efficiency of older turbines is nowhere near the Siemens one (almost 50% versus 25%).
    Another answer, why don't you put a V8 5.0l engine inside your Skoda?

    Germany would have set the specifications to suit the turbines they had and produced and occupied a gap in Russian products on purpose.

    That only matters if delivering gas to Europe was important and the EU and US are making it less and less important all the time.

    No problems on South Stream?

    Read a report that Kiev was reopening the pipes they closed... amusing if true.

    The
    stories about Russia flaring off the gas must be related to reducing the amount in the pipelines
    to reduce the pressure.

    The stories come from western sources... satellite imagery sort of stuff, so they are trying to get the western public angry that Russia would rather vent off gas and burn it (destroying the ozone layer of course... Mad ) rather than pipe it to them at a reduced price rather than just wasting it... what monsters those Russians are... is the story.

    "Doing a favour" hardly applies to the situation when you don't produce things you need.

    The entire pipeline is a favour to Germany its main customer to bypass the BS from transit countries, of course Germany is going to want its own turbines running the thing...

    If Germany didn't have things its way it would never have been built.

    Both interesting and funny Laughing
    So Siemens was to cut his fingers due to "sanctions", but General Electric jumped in instantly Laughing Laughing

    Have you not noticed the game yet... heavy US and internal pressure for EU to cut ties with Russia, while on the quiet US companies sneak in and either sell the products (gas turbine engines, gas, oil, coal) that they previously couldn't compete fairly for...

    Usually American sanctions are to screw up American vassals "allies" especially EU nations, and America has often exception when it is in its own interest

    You are getting it.

    But sometimes even the US of A stuffs up like with their LCS programme for frigates, and what do they do... run to Europe to build them decent ships instead... if the west had any brains they would all be buying them from Italy... Rafales from France as fighters... so much waste.

    Some People in Germany are raising the Russian flag , gas issues

    Did you notice teh comment by the person posting this video?


    These people clearly don’t care about massacred Ukrainians.

    Like the way the western supporters of the Kiev regime ignore the massacred Ukrainians in the east and south of the country or those killed during the bloody coup in the country in 2014?

    Why should they care now about a country that claimed to be fighting and Killing Russians the last 8 years... now they are getting what they wanted.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:01 am

    Another factor is that NS I and NS II both have one pumping station, but EU law states they need to leave 50% capacity open for rival companies to send their product down the pipes.

    If they only every run at 50% capacity then they don't need a big powerful turbine.... having lots of smaller turbines means they can use a suitable level of power as needed at the time for the flow required.
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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:54 am

    Did you notice teh comment by the person posting this video?

    Yes but i don't care , who would believe their propaganda anyway .

    Like the way the western supporters of the Kiev regime ignore the massacred Ukrainians in the east and south of the country or those killed during the bloody coup in the country in 2014?

    Not only eastern Ukraine , other stories in Iraq ,Syria ,Libya ,assassinations in Iran ,stealing oil and imposing sanctions on a poor country like Sudan and make people die there ,,etc.

    Do you know the process how is France stealing form the African countries in a modern way till this moment ? may be i will open a separate subject for this soon .
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:59 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Do you know the process how is France stealing form the African countries in a modern way till this moment ? may be i will open a separate subject for this soon .

    Aside from "African franc" CFA? Laughing

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:45 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:

    There is no better comedy than the timeline we are living in. I already have pain from laughing Laughing Laughing

    Living in a time of memes it would be amazing if memes about this part of history are written in history books and thought to next generations.

    An all eternal historic evident stamp of political mentally retrograde europeans.

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