I can imagine in a few years some sort of huge backpack ammo container holding 5,000 rounds of 30 cal ammo with a water cooling system with a linkless belt feed to a bullpup PKP with a water jacket keeping the barrel cool....


GarryB wrote:
I can imagine in a few years some sort of huge backpack ammo container holding 5,000 rounds of 30 cal ammo with a water cooling system with a linkless belt feed to a bullpup PKP with a water jacket keeping the barrel cool....![]()
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GarryB wrote:Well... if they currently work with 100kg loads then you have to say what are the current limits.
I think the most important thing about the Russian kit is that it was purely mechanical and did not use a power supply.
If it can be made to support 300kgs and retain mobility in all weathers and conditions then you would have to say that 300kgs is a lot of weapons, armour, food, and water... what else do you need?
Finding useful applications of this technology shouldn't be hard...
Werewolf wrote:The problem with such, like almost every technology is, the time they find their way into active service of militaries they are already decades old technology.
I mean counter balancing systemes for rifles is how old by now?
Tested in early 1980s and is only now fieldtested for ratnik. RWS (Remote Weapon Stations), since use 1980 on some tanks are coming only now slowly as a "NEW" feature.
Reactive armor first studies were made in USSR late 40s, only entered service 30 years after.
By the time new technologies enter service they are actually already ancient in terms of modern warfare and technologies.
Of course all that is not that easy to bring within a few years into service, also would be often painful outcome when some technologies need to mature more, and lobbyism plays also a role but the biggest problem is, Humans.
We are reactioners not actioners. We tend to wear helmets after we fall from bikes. Young drivers tend to drive slow and safe after they created an incident. We think about technologies that safe human lifes after we lose human lifes and i don't speak about super genius technologies that only an Einstein would be capable to develope such thoughts, i mean such things like a saftey belt in cars, or at least traffic law.
When we see those Exoscelton suites that help people to carry 100kg + in the more usual units, we will already have technologies that actually could come closer to Crysis power armors.
20-30 years for nanosuit tech? thats too optimistic even if we're only talking about working prototypes. Not to mention a direct hit from an RPG and you are dead(the impact pressure turns both armor even as hard as diamond and jet into liquid mostly flowing towards your innards)magnumcromagnon wrote:
...Your right, to get an exoskeleton to actually be practical and not cumbersome, we would literally need a quantum leap in quantum computing and nanotechnology! The Crysis suit's true strength lied in it's ability to control the very molecules of the material that made up the suit, if you could program the very molecules that make up the suits material and turn them in to super-computers...then creating a suit that's fluid like liquid to allow maneuverability one second, but on ballistic impact turn in to material more resilient than diamond another second is well quite feasible exoskeleton to create, especially if the suit's main material is carbon based.
Let's not kid ourselves though, in the near future such technology will still be science fiction and would only be feasible 20-30 years from now, and it's still way more likely that such technology revolutionizes tank armor and fighter plane air-frames than it would revolutionize body armor.
20-30 years for nanosuit tech? thats too optimistic even if we're only talking about working prototypes. Not to mention a direct hit from an RPG and you are dead(the impact pressure turns both armor even as hard as diamond and jet into liquid mostly flowing towards your innards)[/quote]collegeboy16 wrote:
Let's not kid ourselves though, in the near future such technology will still be science fiction and would only be feasible 20-30 years from now, and it's still way more likely that such technology revolutionizes tank armor and fighter plane air-frames than it would revolutionize body armor.
I mean counter balancing systemes for rifles is how old by now?
Tested in early 1980s and is only now fieldtested for ratnik. RWS (Remote Weapon Stations), since use 1980 on some tanks are coming only now slowly as a "NEW" feature.
By the time new technologies enter service they are actually already ancient in terms of modern warfare and technologies.
20-30 years for nanosuit tech? thats too optimistic even if we're only talking about working prototypes. Not to mention a direct hit from an RPG and you are dead(the impact pressure turns both armor even as hard as diamond and jet into liquid mostly flowing towards your innards)
afaik the crysis suit is not mechanical- more like it directly enhances human ability. kinda like it pumps adrenaline into your muscles while the frame supports most of the pressure that without the suit would rupture your muscles from the bones. there is also an onboard cognitive improvement AI.Werewolf wrote:I used Crysis exoskeleton not as an example of actual exoskeleton we could have but as a comperision of todays mechanic/electric exoskeleton that have no other use but giving the carrier ability to carry about 100-150kg, but cripples his maneuverbility. You would not be able to take cover when you got under enemy fire, and going into squad position when your only cover would be even 10 cm lower you would be still exposed.
I mean untill exoskeletons become to what people dream about, a structure that makes you stronger,faster and more robust that will take more like 50 years, something like that we should be prepared for. And this 50 years would only give the timespan to develope such technology, not counting the time we would need until we can see it in military use.
Such technology on the low level we have right now is already so expensive that even Special forces would not won't or be capable to purchase such technology in sufficient number and we will only see that the Technology will become more expensive through a lot more components to comprimise the stiffness of those suites.
I for myself think that if they really want to make exoskeleton that makes you stronger,faster and more robust we will end up having such suites like Space Marines, or we would go with compromises, that boosts only human capabilities by about 25-30% but is still light and not to thick, adding a bullet proof vest or some structure to protect vital parts of the upper torso, but leaving the lower torso less protected but therefor more space for movement. More an exoskeleton like the Xenomorphs have, torso real exoskeleton and the arms and lower torso normal endoskeloton, giving them high agility with good protection of vital organs. I would bet on that kind of exoskeleton that would be able to be enter military service and have a good impact on morality, combat effeciency, ordnance at battle, lower amount of casualities and more firepower, by wielding bigger calibre weapons.
I would like to see such a version of an exoskeleton.
The U.S. Congress has approved a gigantic defense policy bill.
The $585 billion National Defense Authorization Act was overwhelmingly approved by the Senate Friday, a week after passing in the House of Representatives.
It now awaits President Barack Obama's signature.
The measure authorizes federal military spending for fiscal year 2015, which began on October 1.
It includes emergency funding requested by the president for military operations against Islamic jihadists in Iraq and Syria. The measure also authorizes funds for training moderate Syrian rebels and Iraqi Kurdish forces for two years.
The bill includes money for basic U.S. military operations, ranging from a one percent pay raise for the troops to the purchase of ships, aircraft and other war-fighting equipment.
The NDAA also mandates the retention of the fleet of A-10 close-air support aircraft. The U.S. Air Force had proposed retiring more than 100 A-10s, but the NDAA prohibits that action in 2015.
Despite opposition from Mr. Obama, the bill extends restrictions on closing the US. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, renewing a ban on transferring detainees from Guantanamo to the United States.
The $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill from Congress includes $1.46 billion for 15 Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft and $1 billion to start work on a 12th San Antonio-class (LPD-17) amphibious warship, according to a summary of the bill released late Tuesday.
The compromise bill agreed to by House and Senate appropriators and expected to pass both chambers will extend Boeing’s Super Hornet — the airframe on which the Growler is based — production line into 2017, according to Reuters.
The Navy gave Congress an unfunded wish list that asked for 22 Growlers at a cost of $2.14 billion. With the extra airframes, the Navy intends to expand its EA-18G squadrons from five aircraft up to seven.
The bill also gave the service $1 billion to start procurement on a 12th San Antonio-class amphibious warship — about half the total cost of the ship. The Marine Corps has been lobbying Congress and the Navy for the additional ship it says will act as a bridge to the next generation LX(R) amphibious warship which will be based on the San Antonio-hull.
Line items in the bill also fully fund the planned procurement of the Ohio-class Replacement Program ballistic missile submarine, fully funds the Navy’s Unmanned Carrier-Launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike (UCLASS) research and development efforts — despite restrictions in the parallel authorization bill — and includes $843 million to begin the refueling and complex overhaul of carrier USS George Washington (CVN-73).
(Reuters) - Officials from Boeing Co and the U.S. Army said on Wednesday they had begun discussions about a multiyear agreement to buy about 240 AH-64 Apache helicopters from fiscal 2017 to 2021, a deal that analysts say could be worth around $4 billion.
U.S. Army acquisition chief Heidi Shyu recently signed a document allowing both sides to begin work on a multiyear agreement, with an eye to securing approval from the defense secretary by March 2016, Colonel Jeff Hager, Apache program manager, told reporters at an event hosted by Boeing.
Mark Ballew, Boeing's head of business development for attack helicopters, told Reuters that the multiyear agreement could include options for about 100 international sales of the attack helicopter, which would add to its overall value.
The U.S. government has already approved Apache sales to Qatar and Indonesia, and those deals are being negotiated now, Ballew said. He said three or four other countries have expressed interest in the helicopter, but declined to name them.
He said such deals could take many years to complete, given the complications often involved in the foreign arms market.
Boeing hosted a separate meeting about the third successive Apache multiyear agreement with government officials and suppliers on Wednesday at its Washington headquarters.
Military services must demonstrate significant savings when asking for approval for multiyear agreements, as compared with the cost of negotiating procurements on a year-by-year basis. There is no specific target, but lawmakers generally look for those savings to amount to around 10 percent
Kim Smith, vice president for Boeing's attack helicopter programs, said the company was "absolutely on track" to work with the Army and its suppliers to identify savings that would help justify a multiyear agreement.
"We at Boeing have been doing our part to leave no stone unturned," Smith told reporters.
Pentagon chief arms buyer Frank Kendall told the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday that he favored multiyear agreements because they allowed program managers to focus on program performance, and less on yearly contract negotiations.
Earlier on Wednesday, Boeing reported higher-than-expected quarterly profit, sending its shares up 4.6 percent to $138.58.
Haha... True too!TR1 wrote:Damn, hope they made these actually bulletproof.
GarryB wrote:It is better to use them properly so they don't have to be bullet proof.
I personally like the Apache... sure, she is high maintainence... but most hot girls are...![]()
The fact is that when used properly she is an effective and deadly machine.
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