Project 885: Yasen class #2

It should also be added that neither the 955A nor 885M project currently has any competitors.  These are the most advanced submarines in their class.

When the US dollar tanks those 33 US SSNs are going to be sitting in port with no money to fund maintenance let alone actually sail them anywhere.

The Soviet Union built about 50,000 tanks for the cold war and when it ended they went into storage... it was really not money well spent.

Sure you can claim they are there now they need them but really their production of new tanks and upgrades of old tanks is just fine... if it turns out Russian troops and HATO troops are fighting thousands of tanks in storage are not going to make any difference.

Frankly I agree. They need a cheaper and smaller sub. You don't need 40 VLS on all of your subs. 8 is enough for a sub whose main duty will be hunting other subs and attacking shipping lines.

10 yasen is enough as SSGN. If they want more missile just convert 2 Borei for that purpose.

Kilo are very good but lack nuclear endurence for long range patroling.

A lot of space will be freed up in Sevmash. We'll see if in 2024 they will lay down the keels for two 955A and two 885M

So the 885AM is a special version for unusual tasks? Is another modernization of the 885M?

It is likely that the Russians will go with the system of one Borei-A and one Yasen-M next year, and again in 2025. I find it hard to believe that they will lay keels for 4 submarines in one year. wrote:

There was some talk of an additional shipyard in the far east (Somewhere around Vladivostok) who's main job would be to build supercarriers and large submarines...So we might see such a thing as 4 subs per year. Laid that is, not completed. That would need a Chinese workforce..

Russia will not build any aircraft carrier for the next 30 years.

Russia will not build any aircraft carrier for the next 30 years. wrote:

We dont know that. The MoD did not explicitly say NO. They just "considered" it. What was promised was an expansion of Sevmashes shipyards across Russia. One was proposed in Murmansk and another in the Far East. For the construction of heavy ships.. Kutznetsov is increasingly losing favor with the MoD.

As far as we know, the new shipyard complex is to be built near St. Petersburg and that's it. I don't know if it's for building civilian units, just like Zvezda.

If they weren't interested in large fixed wing aircraft carriers the Kuznetsov would not have been repaired and upgraded and would not be going back into the water next year.

If they weren't interested in aircraft carriers they really would not need Cruisers either so big money would be saved scrapping the Kirov and Slava class ships they currently operate or have undergoing upgrades.

The fact of the matter is that a large ship is worth more than its weight in smaller ships because it is big enough to carry sensors and weapons that small ships cannot manage.

Aircraft carriers are intended to provide air support and air protection to those large surface ships... fixed wing fighter aircraft can move around the battlefield very quickly and can see down to the crests of the waves so no sneaky low flying weapon can sneak by them.

With satellites and other recon means you could detect a build up of enemy forces from an enormous distance and with aircraft you can go out and meet them rather further away from your ships which makes your ships much safer.

When it comes to dealing with manouvering hypersonic weapons I would suggest the best first option is to make the ships hard to see with smoke and jammers, and clever EW equipment, but also directly using laser weapons... a hypersonic missile flying at 3km/s just needs its nose cracked or damaged or overheated and what happens to it is essentially what happens to meteors or the second space shuttle that was lost.

Fitting a laser powerful enough on a ship is much much easier with a very big nuclear powered ship like a Cruiser.

I never really had an interest for the Russian Navy but the limit of how much nuclear warhead zircons a Yasen can carry is how many ships will get destroyed in a 1000km radius if fired from underwater which can destroy multiple carrier strike groups.

Hypersonic manouvering missiles are effective because they are new, just like drones seem to be all important, but as tactics and new equipment arrives their effect will be reduced.

Russian air defences have had decades to practise against manouvering hypersonic missiles... they have Iskander... the point is that they will not remain amazing forever... the best part from a Russian perspective it means a single missile from a Yasen will probably take a US carrier out of the game... it may not sink it, but it will shift from focussing on its mission to trying not to sink and how many aircraft it can get off before the deck angle is too steep to allow launches.

In comparison 30 US subs all armed with 12 tomahawks would all have to sail to the same sea and all line up the same target group of ships to have a chance of getting hits.

Russian air defence is very very good and as they make new ships those new ships will have elements of that air defence system combined making it better than it has ever been before.

Redut is S-350 and S-400, they will have everything from Verba and BUK and Sosna and Pantsir, plus guns with guided airburst shells from 30mm to 152mm as well as HMGs. Improvements to TOR will make it a universal weapon on the decks of most Russian ships.

Russian ships are going to be very well protected... not to mention they have decided that the second new 40K ton helicopter carrier will be dedicated to drones... presumably air, land, and sea, and undersea drones... the Soviets had anti ship missile swarms in the 1980s... who wants to bet they will have swarms of drones protecting their ships and land based forces first?

In Russia, three more ultra-low-noise underwater multi-purpose nuclear-powered missile cruisers Yasen-M will soon be laid down. The corresponding decision was made by the command of the Russian Navy. Experts, highlighting the distinctive features of such submarines from the Shchuka-B submarine, call their lower acoustic signature.

However, the Yasen-M nuclear submarine has a number of other advantages, including the possibility of a longer cruising period through the drive from low-noise propulsion electric motors, powered by a nuclear power plant based on the OK-650V reactor.

Another distinctive feature of the Yasen-M nuclear submarine is the ability to install 8 x 4 transport and launch silo modules to accommodate 3M55 Oniks, 3M22 Zircon anti-ship missiles, as well as 8 x 5 3M14K Kalibr-PL strategic missiles and their anti-ship version 3M54.

These missiles proved their high effectiveness during a special military operation in Ukraine. With their help, not only energy infrastructure facilities of the Kyiv regime were repeatedly hit, but also airfields, ammunition and fuel depots, as well as locations of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel.

In addition to the above, the new nuclear submarines have a promising highly sensitive hydroacoustic complex “Irtysh-Amphora-Ash” based on a bow phased active-passive acoustic array and onboard passive large-aperture sonar, capable of detecting sound-contrast objects at a distance of up to 170-220 kilometers.

https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/41542-v-rf-budut-zalozheny-esche-tri-sverhmaloshumnyh-apl-jasen-m.html?utm_source=topwar.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

NOTE: also mentioned by Shoigu that the number of carriers of long-range precision weapons in the Russian Navy should exceed 40 units by the end of 2023.

This is very interesting information.


So there will be a total of 12 885M, plus several modernized 971 and 949A. Powerful force. Podloodka77 probably listened to your complaints

If they weren't interested in large fixed wing aircraft carriers the Kuznetsov would not have been repaired and upgraded and would not be going back into the water next year. wrote:

Adding to that, The Russian MoD did not pour water on the idea of not building a new supercarrier. They never officially put down the proposal from Krylov to build a Supercarrier. Infact Medvedev stated that Russia intended to have at least 4 supercarriers by 2030 provided the economy allowed for it. I guess it didnt. The aim was 1 supercarrier accompanied by smaller but more numerous helicopter carriers in each region of Russia. 1 for the Black Sea, 1 For the Far East, 1 For Vladivostok and surrounding areas and another for the Northern fleet..