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    US Foreign Policy and Diplomacy under Joe Biden

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:42 am

    Hahaha... they spend their time antagonising Iran... a country that has shown clear capability with ballistic weapons and cruise missiles and drone weapons, and the forces they withdraw from the region are their most sophisticated air defence systems...

    Perhaps they know they don't work and don't want them to fail.... but where does that leave US personnel and the few stooges they have left in that region?

    And when Trump withdrew troops from the region it was terrible... it made the US and her allies weak and left gaps Al quada and ISIS and worst of all Iran and Russian would fill... except that ship has already sailed...
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    Post  George1 Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:07 pm

    President Joe Biden on Saturday formally recognized the systematic killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923 as an act of "genocide," a long-sought declaration among Armenian-Americans that could further strain U.S.-Turkey relations.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/24/joe-biden-recognizes-armenian-genocide-ottomans-turkey-starting-1915/7357499002/
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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:07 am

    George1 wrote:President Joe Biden on Saturday formally recognized the systematic killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923 as an act of "genocide," a long-sought declaration among Armenian-Americans that could further strain U.S.-Turkey relations.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/24/joe-biden-recognizes-armenian-genocide-ottomans-turkey-starting-1915/7357499002/

    The Turks have the gall to blame their own mass murder of Armenian civilians on the fact that Armenians were favourable to the Russian Empire.
    May have something to do with the chauvinist Turkish new republic that was ethno-nationlist and denies to this day that Kurds are an actual
    ethic group. Armenians were Christians so it was easier to kill them off.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:10 am


    More good new for Rosoboronexport

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    More good new for Rosoboronexport
    Russian banks you mean. Turkey's broke. At this rate they might have to put Constantinople as collateral before the Russians could sell them the other parts of the anti-regime change stack.

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:04 pm

    Russia could accept one or two turkish islands in the Med as payment. Laughing
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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:44 pm

    Seems Azerbaijan is the only country that supported Turey on this subject .This happened when you mess with everyone Razz

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:32 pm

    kvs wrote:
    The Turks have the gall to blame their own mass murder of Armenian civilians on the fact that Armenians were favourable to the Russian Empire.    

    A tyrant will always deny his crime and blame others, including the victim if he see fit. If the tyrant recognize his crime or admit that his crime is a crime, then all the legitimacy for his benefit, privileges and status, at the expense of other people, is lost.

    You don't talk ethical codes to the tyrant. You only talk to the third people so that they recognize what is happening and what they should do for their own sake.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:00 pm

    I think it a ploy. A little arm twisting to get the Turks to fall in line. And this they will do. And at the same time to woo the Armenians with a few goodies. Which is what they will gladly accept. Then they hold both the Horse and the Donkey tightly. Only later, will they let go of the Donkey, and let the Turkish Horse, charge into Asia. With a  Yank on it's back. Stupid Donkey.

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    Post  elconquistador Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:09 pm

    @nomadski Spot on. Everybody who thinks that this will somehow change the Turkish-US relations or the Turkish position on anything is delusional.

    It's quite a brilliant move actually

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:44 am

    elconquistador wrote:@nomadski Spot on. Everybody who thinks that this will somehow change the Turkish-US relations or the Turkish position on anything is delusional.

    It's quite a brilliant move actually


    However your forgetting the prior sanctions that have prevented the transfer of parts and spares to it's vital weapon systems, a decade of trafficking arms to the Kurds, being expelled from the F-35 program, the 2016 coup, etc. This recent politicized move was just the icing on the cake. It remains to be seen if the 'icing on the cake' was the 'straw that broke the camels back', however no one has infinite patience.

    While no one has ever accused Erdogan of being intelligent, if he was smart he should try to write a new treaty that supersedes the Montreux convention which states explicitly only Turkey and Russia could dictate the operations of the Black Sea. Unlike the other option of expelling the US/NATO from the Incirlink Base, this is by far less blatant and more nuanced. It's basically means that US can't guarantee it could get in the Black Sea when it wants, and that Uncle Sham could be prevented for 6 months or perhaps and entire year from entering if it keeps pushing it's luck.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:53 am

    Erdo has nowhere to go. Just a couple of weeks ago he was placating Zelensky telling him he's in favor of fast tracking a NATO membership, that Crimea should have remained in Ukraine, making arms deals and signing a partnership. I can't believe Putin would be very eager to team up with this man - leaving the earlier history aside now.

    Moreover, the US has a powerful sanctions stick to hit with. The Turkish economy is fragile

    No, nothing will happen. That's why it was a brilliant move. A hot potato has been removed without any costs. Turkey will remain in NATO and will continue being the USA's workhorse in the Caucasus, Central Asia and in some cases the Middle East.
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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:57 am

    Russia was never expecting Turkey to grow a brain. Erdogan is a nutjob of with delusions of grandeur who thinks that he can establish some Turkic
    caliphate spanning over most of the Middle East, Central Asia and into Russia's heartland.


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