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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:42 pm

    Hahaha... they spend their time antagonising Iran... a country that has shown clear capability with ballistic weapons and cruise missiles and drone weapons, and the forces they withdraw from the region are their most sophisticated air defence systems...

    Perhaps they know they don't work and don't want them to fail.... but where does that leave US personnel and the few stooges they have left in that region?

    And when Trump withdrew troops from the region it was terrible... it made the US and her allies weak and left gaps Al quada and ISIS and worst of all Iran and Russian would fill... except that ship has already sailed...
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    Post  George1 Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:07 pm

    President Joe Biden on Saturday formally recognized the systematic killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923 as an act of "genocide," a long-sought declaration among Armenian-Americans that could further strain U.S.-Turkey relations.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/24/joe-biden-recognizes-armenian-genocide-ottomans-turkey-starting-1915/7357499002/
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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:07 pm

    George1 wrote:President Joe Biden on Saturday formally recognized the systematic killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923 as an act of "genocide," a long-sought declaration among Armenian-Americans that could further strain U.S.-Turkey relations.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/24/joe-biden-recognizes-armenian-genocide-ottomans-turkey-starting-1915/7357499002/

    The Turks have the gall to blame their own mass murder of Armenian civilians on the fact that Armenians were favourable to the Russian Empire.
    May have something to do with the chauvinist Turkish new republic that was ethno-nationlist and denies to this day that Kurds are an actual
    ethic group. Armenians were Christians so it was easier to kill them off.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:10 pm


    More good new for Rosoboronexport

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:57 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    More good new for Rosoboronexport
    Russian banks you mean. Turkey's broke. At this rate they might have to put Constantinople as collateral before the Russians could sell them the other parts of the anti-regime change stack.

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:04 pm

    Russia could accept one or two turkish islands in the Med as payment. Laughing
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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:44 pm

    Seems Azerbaijan is the only country that supported Turey on this subject .This happened when you mess with everyone Razz

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:32 pm

    kvs wrote:
    The Turks have the gall to blame their own mass murder of Armenian civilians on the fact that Armenians were favourable to the Russian Empire.    

    A tyrant will always deny his crime and blame others, including the victim if he see fit. If the tyrant recognize his crime or admit that his crime is a crime, then all the legitimacy for his benefit, privileges and status, at the expense of other people, is lost.

    You don't talk ethical codes to the tyrant. You only talk to the third people so that they recognize what is happening and what they should do for their own sake.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:00 pm

    I think it a ploy. A little arm twisting to get the Turks to fall in line. And this they will do. And at the same time to woo the Armenians with a few goodies. Which is what they will gladly accept. Then they hold both the Horse and the Donkey tightly. Only later, will they let go of the Donkey, and let the Turkish Horse, charge into Asia. With a  Yank on it's back. Stupid Donkey.

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    Post  elconquistador Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:09 pm

    @nomadski Spot on. Everybody who thinks that this will somehow change the Turkish-US relations or the Turkish position on anything is delusional.

    It's quite a brilliant move actually

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:44 pm

    elconquistador wrote:@nomadski Spot on. Everybody who thinks that this will somehow change the Turkish-US relations or the Turkish position on anything is delusional.

    It's quite a brilliant move actually


    However your forgetting the prior sanctions that have prevented the transfer of parts and spares to it's vital weapon systems, a decade of trafficking arms to the Kurds, being expelled from the F-35 program, the 2016 coup, etc. This recent politicized move was just the icing on the cake. It remains to be seen if the 'icing on the cake' was the 'straw that broke the camels back', however no one has infinite patience.

    While no one has ever accused Erdogan of being intelligent, if he was smart he should try to write a new treaty that supersedes the Montreux convention which states explicitly only Turkey and Russia could dictate the operations of the Black Sea. Unlike the other option of expelling the US/NATO from the Incirlink Base, this is by far less blatant and more nuanced. It's basically means that US can't guarantee it could get in the Black Sea when it wants, and that Uncle Sham could be prevented for 6 months or perhaps and entire year from entering if it keeps pushing it's luck.
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    Post  elconquistador Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:53 pm

    Erdo has nowhere to go. Just a couple of weeks ago he was placating Zelensky telling him he's in favor of fast tracking a NATO membership, that Crimea should have remained in Ukraine, making arms deals and signing a partnership. I can't believe Putin would be very eager to team up with this man - leaving the earlier history aside now.

    Moreover, the US has a powerful sanctions stick to hit with. The Turkish economy is fragile

    No, nothing will happen. That's why it was a brilliant move. A hot potato has been removed without any costs. Turkey will remain in NATO and will continue being the USA's workhorse in the Caucasus, Central Asia and in some cases the Middle East.
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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:57 pm

    Russia was never expecting Turkey to grow a brain. Erdogan is a nutjob of with delusions of grandeur who thinks that he can establish some Turkic
    caliphate spanning over most of the Middle East, Central Asia and into Russia's heartland.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:38 pm

    I don't mean this in a political way. It's just an observation.

    IMHO, Joe Biden looks frail.

    Joe Biden meets the Queen for afternoon tea: US President and First Lady receive Guard of Honour at Windsor after flying to Heathrow on Air Force One from G7 summit in Cornwall

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681905/Joe-Biden-heads-Windsor-afternoon-tea-Queen-welcomes-President-Lady.html
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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:29 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I don't mean this in a political way. It's just an observation.

    IMHO, Joe Biden looks frail.

    Joe Biden meets the Queen for afternoon tea: US President and First Lady receive Guard of Honour at Windsor after flying to Heathrow on Air Force One from G7 summit in Cornwall

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681905/Joe-Biden-heads-Windsor-afternoon-tea-Queen-welcomes-President-Lady.html

    Biden appears to be in a worse state than Chernenko when he was Premier of the USSR. The upcoming summit with Putin will not hold
    any joint press conference. Any press conference that Biden will give will be totally stage managed. The American side claims that
    Biden will only grace the "free press" with his presence. So Russia's press is not free in the eyes of Americans. This proves that Americans
    in charge and who run the MSM are not interested in facts when it comes to Russia.

    Also, CNN proves that "private" does not mean independent. This "private" company is the prime orifice of deep state propaganda.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:13 am

    kvs wrote:Also, CNN proves that "private" does not mean independent.   This "private" company is the prime orifice of deep state propaganda.

    Private companies only mean that they are not the property owned by the state and subject to no legal regulation defined by that state ownership. Private enterprises still have a lot of relationships with the state, the statemen, and the politicians.

    For example, lobbying.  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil

    So even if FB, Twitter, or whatever are private companies and subject to no state ownership, then that does not mean "free press" in America. It just means that these private companies abuse the media which is completely under their ownership, and are the real puppet-master behind the imperialistic and aggressive attitude of the U.S. And the U.S. government is a huge accomplice.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:29 am

    Private means it has a price and can therefore be bought... the same people who own the government have bought the available free media... this is the environment they got rich on... they are not going to allow this boat to be rocked or to have its heading and destination changed...

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:27 am

    kvs wrote:
    Biden appears to be in a worse state than Chernenko when he was Premier of the USSR.   The upcoming summit with Putin will not hold
    any joint press conference.   Any press conference that Biden will give will be totally stage managed.   The American side claims that
    Biden will only grace the "free press" with his presence.    So Russia's press is not free in the eyes of Americans.    This proves that Americans
    in charge and who run the MSM are not interested in facts when it comes to Russia.    

    A statement went round 10 days ago that the Swiss were not allowing in Russian Sputnik V vaccinated press as it was not an 'approved' vaccine.
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    Post  franco Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Biden appears to be in a worse state than Chernenko when he was Premier of the USSR.   The upcoming summit with Putin will not hold
    any joint press conference.   Any press conference that Biden will give will be totally stage managed.   The American side claims that
    Biden will only grace the "free press" with his presence.    So Russia's press is not free in the eyes of Americans.    This proves that Americans
    in charge and who run the MSM are not interested in facts when it comes to Russia.    

    A statement went round 10 days ago that the Swiss were not allowing in Russian Sputnik V vaccinated press as it was not an 'approved' vaccine.

    Could be so that Uncle Joe cannot be questioned at his "private" presser afterwards dunno Don't need him going off script now do we No
    Suspect
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Biden appears to be in a worse state than Chernenko when he was Premier of the USSR.   The upcoming summit with Putin will not hold
    any joint press conference.   Any press conference that Biden will give will be totally stage managed.   The American side claims that
    Biden will only grace the "free press" with his presence.    So Russia's press is not free in the eyes of Americans.    This proves that Americans
    in charge and who run the MSM are not interested in facts when it comes to Russia.    

    A statement went round 10 days ago that the Swiss were not allowing in Russian Sputnik V vaccinated press as it was not an 'approved' vaccine.

    That statement remains true. The reason for no joint press conference was that Biden will only talk to free world journalists. That is
    not a claim, that is an official statement from the American side. The lack of Russian journalists in Swiss-tardia was not the excuse given.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:26 pm

    The leaset the Russians could have done is stated that if their journalists weren't allowed and no joint press conference, then no meeting. They should have pressures the US but didn't.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:28 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:The leaset the Russians could have done is stated that if their journalists weren't allowed and no joint press conference, then no meeting.  They should have pressures the US but didn't.

    The long established policy of NATzO appeasement has created a reflex where every event is first placed in the wait and see bin. This
    is moronic. Russia should have demanded a change of venue. Technically it is not the US that pulled this stunt against Russian journalists.

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    Post  franco Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:44 pm

    Speaking of press, attached is a link to an interview Putin had with a NBC reporter. Not sure if it is linked somewhere else.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65861

    I hope Putin has good blood pressure... just reading it gave mine a rise Embarassed
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:30 pm

    That green belt alternative to the Chinese silk roads is a joke... the G7 will invest no money in the project, it will be private company funding... which means they will expect to make money making it slow and unlikely to actually work.

    The chinese silk roads are not to help China only, they are to help build trade links between parties to the silk road so they can all grow and develop and make money... of course the west hates it...

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