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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Hole wrote:1. step: bring in specialists (FSB, SVR, GRU) to help them clean house, get rid of NGO´s and the like.
    2. step: mutual defence agreement. No leased base or visiting rights. An attack on them is an attack on Russia, doesn´t matter if open or trough proxies or cyber space.
    3. step: bring in a few weapons, for them and russian ones to stay in the country.

    You don't ever want to expand a military alliance to countries whose politics you can't predict for the future.

    I don't see how that's relevant in the discussion of Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. The US has failed miserably in clumsy attempts to undermine the support of the Sandinista's in Nicaragua, and after 40 years of suppression they're still as popular as ever there!

    The US has failed for the last 20 years to overthrow the Hugo Chavez/Nicolaus Maduro govt's in Venezuela, but what was really funny was the Americunt's (mp.net and elsewhere) mocking Venezuela for having grocery stores with empty shelves where food and toilet paper would be missing.....only for the same shit to happen to America a few years later. I live in the so-called 'Breadbasket' of the midwestern United States, and all of the grocery stores (over the past 2 years) have had many empty shelves where food and toilet paper would be non-existent. I bet the room-temperature IQ having jackasses and mental-midgets at mp.net could of never have seen this coming lol! Fate pulled the Uno-reverse card here lol! Razz Embarassed lol1 clown pwnd

    And lastly Cuba, where the US has failed for over 70 years, and over 700 regime change plots/attempts. The ship has sailed for regime change in Cuba (barring a comprador like Gorbachev/Yeltsin coming in to power).

    True, true.
    Just saying, you should still be careful

    Step 1, man! Give the specialists 2 or 3 years and these countries will be as safe as Russia. No more color revolutions. Maybe one or two Navalny´s sitting in jail, but not more. Very Happy

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:15 pm

    The issue is that Russia needs to act, not stay passive. The US handed then a piece of paper to make further talks and then goes on to say that natos doors are open to new members.

    So now it is russias time to act.

    As a result, Russia needs to openly release what the document the US gave to the media. Then state that their demands were not met and thus they will now make moves. Openly state that they plan to move into South America including Cuba. And then state they look at recognizing DNR and LNR sovereignty.

    This will scare the Americans.

    Russia should seek China to also start acting.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:54 am

    No need to release anything.

    Don't fight via media because the west owns the western media and they wont help you.

    Understand the west does not want cooperation and free trade, they want dominance and to dictate to Russia what she can or cannot do...

    The west is quick to quote the portion of the HATO charter that says any country is free to apply to join, but ignores the bits that say allowing a country to join should not infringe of the rights of security of other countries.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:16 am

    GarryB wrote:No need to release anything.

    Don't fight via media because the west owns the western media and they wont help you.

    Understand the west does not want cooperation and free trade, they want dominance and to dictate to Russia what she can or cannot do...

    The west is quick to quote the portion of the HATO charter that says any country is free to apply to join, but ignores the bits that say allowing a country to join should not infringe of the rights of security of other countries.

    I think Russia had to choose between seeing more honesty in the US answer and between posturing BS if it was public.
    So Russia can act on whatever is in the answer. I think Russia is under no illusions that the NATzO fake stream propaganda
    chorus will lie about anything and everything and the NATzO sheeple will lap it up. So the policy cannot be to pander to these
    sheeple but to exert pressure on their shepherds.

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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:33 pm

    Vedomosti: Russia, Hungary talks economic ties and balance with NATO

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2022/02/01/907400-putin-balans-nato

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    Post  George1 Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:33 am

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    Post  Kiko Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:14 pm

    To his close relatives and friends, he's Vladimir Vladimirovich.  To nazi fellows and all the rest, he's President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who's following up Stalin's unfinished job: the total denazification of the globe!

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    Post  Scorpius Thu May 12, 2022 2:42 pm

    Statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on Finland's membership in NATO
    999-12-05-2022

    The statement of the President of Finland S. Niinisto and the Prime Minister of Finland S. Marin, who spoke today in favor of Finland's accession to NATO, is a radical change in the country's foreign policy course.

    For decades, the policy of military non-alignment has served as the basis for stability in the Northern European region, provided a reliable level of security for the Finnish state, and was a solid foundation for building mutually beneficial cooperation and partnership relations between our countries, in which the role of the military factor was reduced to zero.

    Neither Russia's assurances about the absence of any hostile intentions towards Finland, nor the long history of good-neighborly and mutually beneficial cooperation between our countries have convinced Helsinki of the advantages of maintaining a course of military non-alignment.

    The goal of NATO, whose member countries aggressively convinced the Finnish side that there was no alternative to membership in the alliance, is clear - to continue expanding to the borders of Russia, to create another flank for a military threat to our country. But why should Finland turn its territory into a frontier of military confrontation with the Russian Federation, while losing independence in making its own decisions, history will judge.

    The Russian side has repeatedly noted that the choice of ways to ensure its national security is up to the authorities and the people of Finland. However, Helsinki should be aware of the responsibility and consequences of such a step. Finland's accession to NATO will cause serious damage to bilateral Russian-Finnish relations, maintaining stability and security in the Northern European region. Russia will be forced to take retaliatory steps, both of a military-technical and other nature, in order to stop the threats to its national security arising in this regard.

    Joining NATO will also be a direct violation of Finland's international legal obligations, first of all, the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947, which provides for the obligation of the parties not to enter into alliances or participate in coalitions directed against one of them, as well as the 1992 Treaty. between Russia and Finland on the basis of relations, which established that the parties will refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the other party, will not use or allow the use of their territory for armed aggression against the other party. However, given the current indifference of the collective West to international law, such behavior has become the norm.

    We will react according to the situation.
    https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1812971/


    May the Lord have mercy on us all.

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 13, 2022 3:18 am

    Sound to me like the reaction wont be a Russian invasion of Finland, it will most likely be the revision of ties to relegate Finland to a hostile country status and the military response will be to change the border area from a largely economic border to a military border. They will have to shift around their military forces in the area and likely also demand trade be done in Rubles, which will likely kill off all trade and relations between the two countries.

    Finland will be treated as a hostile country and the introduction of nuclear capable aircraft (F-35) and nuclear capable weapons will result in nuclear armed tactical weapons being pointed at them constantly in the case of a US attack via their territory.

    I am sure Finland is fully self sufficient in everything they need, and if they aren't then any deficits will be Russias fault and not HATOs fault.

    Russia has realised the west is hostile and Finland and Sweden joining HATO is just them signing up to be part of the west and therefore hostile too... but then nothing actually changes till the US troops arrive and they start building bio weapons labs and nuclear missile sites and ABM bases.

    For Finland it has a very long border with Russia, which it will now have to militarise and fortify... and of course speaking Russian will have to be banned and streets named after Hitler will start appearing...

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