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    Russia was subsidizing most of the USSR during the 1980s

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:49 pm

    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26422/3295723/

    Russia was subsidizing most of the USSR during the 1980s 989910

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    It is popular in Ukraine, the Baltics and other ex-USSR states that drank the western propaganda koolaid
    to believe they were subsidizing Russia.  As of 1990 only Russia and Belorus were net producers.   The
    Baltics are egregious in terms of being subsidized.   This makes their BS about Russian "exploitation" even
    more galling.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:54 pm


    Funny thing is, this is old news for everyone except former USSR sans-Russia...
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    Post  Regular Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:20 pm

    Not old news. That's why whole economies collapsed. Problem is different. You couldn't wipe Your arse without Moscow telling You how to do it.
    Pretty much Moscow subsidized Baltics to keep it in check. Not because soviets had such good heart. Same as Northern Ireland is subsidized by England to keep them guys from ripping each other throats.
    Question is - why Russia was so fucked up in Soviet Union if Baltics for Russians looked like Malaya zagranica?
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:37 pm

    Not a piece of western propaganda but a counteraegument against that USSR opressed minorities
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russians-are-nicest-colonizers-you-can-hope/ri24692

    All republics against Belarus were a liability to the Soviet budget and consumed far more than they contributes. A bit like Eastern European EU members today.
    Baltics were all a money sink
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:16 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Not a piece of western propaganda but a counteraegument against that USSR opressed minorities
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russians-are-nicest-colonizers-you-can-hope/ri24692

    All republics against Belarus were a liability to the Soviet budget and consumed far more than they contributes. A bit like Eastern European EU members today.
    Baltics were all a money sink
    Russia was subsidizing most of the USSR during the 1980s Image_78



    I think you meant all the republics except for Belarus, Russia, and Estonia, were the money sinks.


    What is amazing is that Belarus suffered horrendous human and material losses during the Second World War.

    On a per capita basis they were even worse than Poland's and, by the same token, they were the worst in the world.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:53 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Not a piece of western propaganda but a counteraegument against that USSR opressed minorities
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russians-are-nicest-colonizers-you-can-hope/ri24692

    All republics against Belarus were a liability to the Soviet budget and consumed far more than they contributes. A bit like Eastern European EU members today.
    Baltics were all a money sink
    Russia was subsidizing most of the USSR during the 1980s Image_78



    I think you meant all the republics except for Belarus, Russia, and Estonia, were the money sinks.


    What is amazing is that Belarus suffered horrendous human and material losses during the Second World War.

    On a per capita basis they were even worse than Poland's and, by the same token, they were the worst in the world.


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    Post  Guest Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:54 am

    kvs wrote:

    yellow: production per capita
    green: consumption per capita

    It is popular in Ukraine, the Baltics and other ex-USSR states that drank the western propaganda koolaid
    to believe they were subsidizing Russia.  As of 1990 only Russia and Belorus were net producers.   The
    Baltics are egregious in terms of being subsidized.   This makes their BS about Russian "exploitation" even
    more galling.

    So, most SSRs are worse off today than before they were a part of the Soviet Union
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:55 am

    The west is not paying as well... they don't want to encourage rivals and they don't have the ties to these regions that Russia had so there is no loyalty except that at the moment these countries are helping them against Russia... but they have that for free...

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