GarryB wrote:When you post a thread anywhere and start calling those you disagree with homos then you are not there for a meaningful and open and honest discussion.
The fact that I agree with some of the things said I can perfectly understand such a response.
I agree with you. It was in bad taste of the OP to do that.
However, many of the comments made by Americans about Russian military equipment confirmed a lot of what is said on this forum that Americans are brainwashed and underestimate Russian military technology and people. I am about to post comments that were reflective of that attitude.
This comment by poster GreyWolf1972: "Ever hear of "you get what you pay for"? If you are on a budget, and don't intend to fight the United States on any level, then buy cheap Russian crap. Many middle eastern countries have gone that route. The world has seen how THAT has turned out when fighting us.
The best stuff we won't even sell. Until the muds and the homos completely take us over you will never be on our level.
This forum is about articles, by the way. Not misplaced bravado.
He also said this: Never be concerned about Russians and 'superiority'. They do not belong in the same sentence. Every white race has it's best attributes. Military engineering is not the forte of our Russian brethren.
That said, no nation makes their most state-of-the-art weapons known to others(even in leaks) until they have surpassed it with something else. I have ETSed 20 years ago and there are still some things we had then that the people do not know about now. Trust me, even with the recent influx of social debauchery, we are well ahead of pootin and his wannabe resurrection of the USSR.
Another Comment by GreyWolf1972: Ahh, you mean the mig with the engine our 'ally' England was so gracious as to give to the Russians? And right after we saved their entire country in WW2, as well. I suppose when one no longer needs to engineer a good aircraft engine, then they can quickly scramble aluminum parts and men at gunpoint to fly them.
Try again Korean era historian. The Russians also had no care about how many men had to die before success, as Americans did. Still, America succeeded where Russia failed in numerous areas of the space race.
Comment by budellshannon: Not sure about their weapons but their ammo sucks. I used to sell ammo and the Russian stuff was dirty as hell. Wouldn't recommend it unless you want to clean your weapon after every shot or risk it jamming on you from all the residue left behind.
Comment by vnovak: While there is truth in statement, that quantity is a quality in itself, there are other things to consider on the battlefield.
Even if Russian jet fighters are better than the F35, it is not the job of F35 to combat Russian jets, that's the job of F22. Once the F22 clears the sky of enemy fighters, F35s can easily fly around, blasting enemy transport aircraft and helicopters out of the sky.
And even if T90 is better (with quantity taken to account) than the Abrams, once the F22 does its job, all those T90s become easy pray for the Warthog, F35 and the like. After they are dealt with, the Abrams tanks can roll by the smouldering shells of T90s, and blast bunkers and other strong poi ts, making way for the infantry.
We have seen all this during both Iraq wars. There Mig29s proved no match for F15s, and after they were cleared from the sky, helicopters and attack planes cleared the way for ground forces.
The disparity of strength between air forces in Iraq wars was so grotesquely large, that iraqui pilots not only didn't dare take off, they even buried their migs in the sand, to prevent their destruction.
As a whole, I think American weaponry still has a significant edge over any possible enemy. Comparisons between single weapons are pretty useless, what counts is the overall strategic situation, with the combined armed forces taken into account. That's what counts.
poster vnovak also said this:There is one significant thing to consider in the space race. In USA, everything was done publicly, news and the people were aware of everything, preparation, launch, events during flight, landing. It was all televised.
Therefore failure wasn't an option, so American side in the space race was significantly constrained by the reliability requirement.
The Soviets, on the other hand, did everything in secrecy. Under the communist regime, press was under iron party control and nobody dared report anything not approved by the party leaders. So the Soviets could fail as many times as they wanted, since they kept their activities secret, and they only reported successes.
Had Gagarin burned up on launch, nobody would have heard about him, and two weeks later Titov would have been launched and become the first man in space. This could never happen in USA, a failure would have been highly publicized.
BTW, there actually are numerous disastrous events in the Soviet space endeavour, but we just don't know about them, because they only reported Gagarin, and they kept the lid on all the dead in their rocket explosions.
Additionally, their secrecy allowed the Soviets to cheat. The rules at the time said, that the astronaut has to land inside the spacecraft. Gagarin jumped out of his spacecraft, and parachuted down to earth. The Soviets didn't mention that fact, and under the rules on the competition, the Americans actually won, because the first American in space actually landed in the spacecraft.
For people, who haven't experienced communism, this stuff is beyond imagination, so nobody takes this stuff I to account these days. But there is still a stalinist country in the world, where the communist party has a firm grip on media. It's North Korea. There the starving population keeps hearing about how they live in the best country in the world, and they only ever hear of North Korean success and that extends to things like sports. North Koreans never get to hear their national team was defeated, the communist party never releases the news. They get to hear about victories, and they get to watch replay of the match afterwards.
In that kind of society, the government can get away with a lot. Even if the population is starving.
Comment by Pacufish: But we had pilots state that the mig15 would NOT get to the assembly line in the USA because of how poorly it was built. Look it up
After the wall came down we realized that most of their stuff was pretty much crap.
comment by 14words of Truth: This is how bad the Soviet system was:
America put three men in a space capsule.
So the Soviets put three men in a two man space capsule. There wasn't enough room for them to wear space suits, so they sent them up in track suits instead.
It was dangerous and risky, but if they died they would be heroes of the state, and if they lived they would be heroes of he state. It's all the same to the state.
That's how communism works.
Comment by Whiteraven:They are still using junk from the Soviet Union. Let's just say Russia is going to have a hard time getting out from that Marxist mess. You see the red star on that plane? Not a coincidence.
Comment by FW190D6: Not necessary, US ARMY can crush Russia in less of six hours. F-16 is knowed as a "MiG-Killer", it has the record that destroy over 200 MiG-29 and no one russian jet has shutdown just one. putin still gloryficating the stupid ussr and he want create it again.
I am pointing out Garry B that a significant number of Americans think along these lines. Americans can be very arrogant and boisterous. I would like your comments and others about these statements. Did the USSR not care about the men who they sent in outer space like some posters on that forum said? I don't know for sure. It is about propaganda against Russia. Does Russia have secret advanced state of the art equipment that is hidden from the public?
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