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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:39 pm

    Since Bolsonaro became president the destruction of the rainforest raised on gargantuan levels.

    Brazilian farmers, backed by president Bolsonaro started massive fires in the amazon rainforest and call this "day of fire". They plan to convert the forest into farmland.

    But for the first time ever, their plans could backfire massive.

    French president Macron said he will bring up the massive destruction of the forest on the G7 summit. German chancellor Merkel agreed and there might be a EU ban of brazilian agriculture products, soy beans and meat.


    The UNo joins in and said the massive destruction of the rainforest is unacceptable.

    Brazilian president Bolsonaro reacts nervous amid the threat of massive sanctions against his agriculture lobby. This tim there appears to be a massive media coverage. Since teh fires the farmers paid went so massive, it darkened the sky over Sao Paulo

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    What matters now is to put massive sanctions on Brazil. The freetrade agreement negotiations got halted today by EU. Ireland and France said they will veto any contract as long Bolsonare destroys the forest.

    To destroy the rainforest and make it farmland was one of Bolsonaro election promises. Its interesting to see that the EU will not sit down and accept this.

    Will be interesting gow Putin will position himself regarding that. He usually supports nature things and i´m qute sure he does not approve of whats going on in Brazil.

    Politicial opinions aside im sure we agree that its absolute madness to "celebrate" a day of fire and those primitive monkeys.

    The goal is to ruin those farmers. And i support this 100%

    https://www.voanews.com/science-health/macron-wants-amazon-fires-be-no-1-topic-g-7-summit
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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:05 pm

    It's been few days since the massive fire happened and no one talked about that. It's only when it went viral on fb and twitter that Macron decided to speak after 3 days of passivity towards Bolsonaro.

    Merkel and Germany already sanctionned them few months ago. Macron is just sneaky and tries to go in the good side once he knew what the good side is. He is useless.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:13 pm

    What idiots. Slash and burn "agriculture" is a joke. The fertilization effect is temporary (no more than two years) and the death of
    the rainforest is moved closer.

    The Amazon rainforest is a meta-stable equilibrium. Once it is destroyed, the region will become a savannah and no longer a rainforest
    zone. You may ask, why should anyone care: because the Amazon is major sink for CO2 and is the source of the rain that sustains
    Brazilian agriculture including the sugar cane plantations. Once these idiots destroy the rainforest, most of their agriculture will
    follow it.

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    Post  Hole on Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:50 pm

    Right. But there are large fires in Canada, so maybe their corrupt prime minister should keep his mouth shut. And before making such statements the EU should start a project to plant a few billion new trees, just like China and Ethiopia did.
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:23 pm

    Hole wrote:Right. But there are large fires in Canada, so maybe their corrupt prime minister should keep his mouth shut. And before making such statements the EU should start a project to plant a few billion new trees, just like China and Ethiopia did.

    Ok and while we plant a gew billion trees we watch a facist moron Bolsonaro burn down the rain forest, right?

    The pressure appears to show first effects, that corrupted moron starts to bend.

    Its a good thing that the world united against such savages. Next step would be to send military and take control over the rainforest, if brazil cant care for it, UNO should do.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:26 pm


    France, Germany and UK used to be covered in forests but they were all chopped down to make room for economic development and to facilitate financial prosperity so they ain't got no moral grounds to give lecture to anyone

    If Brazil needs to free up space in order to develop economy then they should do it, nobody has right to tell them what to do

    It's their country and you can't expect them to agree to be treated as continent sized zoo
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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    France, Germany and UK used to be covered in forests but they were all chopped down to make room for economic development and to facilitate financial prosperity so they ain't got no moral grounds to give lecture to anyone

    If Brazil needs to free up space in order to develop economy then they should do it, nobody has right to tell them what to do

    It's their country and you can't expect them to agree to be treated as continent sized zoo

    We can lecture anyone and we decide who we sanction and who we trade with. Nobody has to tell us who we trade with.

    The rainforest generates 20% of worlds oxygen. Thats more importamt than brazilians.

    You know what we can do? Look up Virunga National Park in Congo. We the protection is finanzed by EU, the local savages who kept burn the forests got hunted down, their villages destroyed. The NP guards act like an army.

    The pressure created by the EU against the Bolsonaro regime seems to work. He starts to bend. Its important now ro crush those farmers, destroy their business and push them into poverty.

    France said we will block the trade agreement with Mercosur. Punish Brazil neighbors as well. Now they rise the pressure on Brazil as well.

    Bolsonaro squieks like a pig right now, suddenly wants punish those farmers and calls for help to fight the fires.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:44 pm

    Aristide wrote:We can lecture anyone and we decide who we sanction and who we trade with. Nobody has to tell us who we trade with....

    Same goes for Brazil



    Aristide wrote:The rainforest generates 20% of worlds oxygen. Thats more importamt than brazilians...

    Forests in France, Germany and UK used to generate oxygen as well before they were chopped down and oxygen is still here

    Nobody will notice 20%



    Aristide wrote:You know what we can do? Look up Virunga National Park in Congo. We the protection is finanzed by EU, the local savages who kept burn the forests got hunted down, their villages destroyed. The NP guards act like an army....

    Good luck doing that with Brazil, you thing they are scared of some French clowns cosplaying as soldiers?

    Frenchies could try doing what they always do in these situations: call USA to do the fighting for them but I seriously doubt that Uncle Sam gives a crap about some Brazilian trees  lol1



    Aristide wrote:Bolsonaro squieks like a pig right now, suddenly wants punish those farmers and calls for help to fight the fires.....

    Dude, a reality check: Amazon is disappearing for good, there is no stopping it

    It's been happening for decades, this is nothing new

    It may happen next year or next decade but pretty soon only Amazon in existence will be one where you go do on-line shopping. Cool

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    Post  Aristide on Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:We can lecture anyone and we decide who we sanction and who we trade with. Nobody has to tell us who we trade with....

    Same goes for Brazil



    Aristide wrote:The rainforest generates 20% of worlds oxygen. Thats more importamt than brazilians...

    Forests in France, Germany and UK used to generate oxygen as well before they were chopped down and oxygen is still here

    Nobody will notice 20%



    Aristide wrote:You know what we can do? Look up Virunga National Park in Congo. We the protection is finanzed by EU, the local savages who kept burn the forests got hunted down, their villages destroyed. The NP guards act like an army....

    Good luck doing that with Brazil, you thing they are scared of some French clowns cosplaying as soldiers?

    Frenchies could try doing what they always do in these situations: call USA to do the fighting for them but I seriously doubt that Uncle Sam gives a crap about some Brazilian trees  lol1



    Aristide wrote:Bolsonaro squieks like a pig right now, suddenly wants punish those farmers and calls for help to fight the fires.....

    Dude, a reality check: Amazon is disappearing for good, there is no stopping it

    It's been happening for decades, this is nothing new

    It may happen next year or next decade but pretty soon only Amazon in existence will be one where you go do on-line shopping. Cool


    Thats why its important to destroy brazil. Its a 3rd worldshithole after all and its working. They are uneducated folk that understand only one thing, force. The EU crushing down trade with brazil means collapse of their economy.

    We plan to use Trump for that. He is in dire need for support for american farmers. We import now soy and meat from usa and cut brazil out. Brazil is a competitor for USA. By favoring USA agri products, we can save the forest.

    P.s. the land in rainforest is not fertile. Once the forest is gone a savanah develops. Those dumb savages there will die 3 years after the anazon is gone. They basicly kill themself.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:23 am

    90% of the free oxygen on the planet comes from algae in the sea... after reaching maturity most established forests including rainforests consume more oxygen than they produce.

    The decision of Brazil is purely economic and as mentioned it is the same choice the entire western world has taken too so they can hardly be blamed for following the same path the west has taken.

    Bleating on about loss of oxygen generation is BS because we know that is not true.

    Biodiversity and new animals and plant types that might be lost is something else, but as usual the west only knows how to use their political and economic power as a weapon.

    They could offer to sponsor areas of the rainforest to preserve it, they could fund alternative development that preserves rather than destroys plants and animals, but instead they want to economically punish... which is why there is no future for the world with the west... with them it is either us or them, not us and them.

    Most of the world would benefit from planting programmes, yet there is no political will or interest in doing so.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:20 am

    Brazilian elites dancing around the simple fact.

    Let them squal a bit more.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:30 am

    We do not have rational land management in Brazil. It isn't about telling them what to do. It is about stopping insanity similar to
    what happened to the great white pine forests in Canada during the middle and late 1800s. For every tree harvested, 9 were lost
    to fires because the idiots who worked to log these forests would leave vast amounts of wood chips and shavings from squaring the
    timber for transport in sailing ships. This tinder was perfect for igniting fires even through spontaneous combustion.

    Brazil is like some 200 year old throwback were they don't know about modern agriculture and silviculture. Brazil is a 3rd world
    country were peasants burn the forest and then move on to burn more because the land is worthless. The transient fertilization
    from fire is what makes it viable for less than two years. The rainforest has resulted in totally leeched soil and the nutrients are
    provided by ongoing death and decomposition of plants in a nearly closed eco-system. Farming this land without being able to
    afford very large fertilizer costs is retarded.

    The Amazon rainforest is being destroyed because Brazil is a 3rd world country with way too many poor trying to eke out a living
    from the land. People talk about European countries cutting down their forests. That happened during the 1200-1400s. Ancient
    history. Brazil needs development and not idiotic "rights" to destroy the Amazon.
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:01 am

    GarryB wrote:90% of the free oxygen on the planet comes from algae in the sea... after reaching maturity most established forests including rainforests consume more oxygen than they produce.

    The decision of Brazil is purely economic and as mentioned it is the same choice the entire western world has taken too so they can hardly be blamed for following the same path the west has taken.

    Bleating on about loss of oxygen generation is BS because we know that is not true.

    Biodiversity and new animals and plant types that might be lost is something else, but as usual the west only knows how to use their political and economic power as a weapon.

    They could offer to sponsor areas of the rainforest to preserve it, they could fund alternative development that preserves rather than destroys plants and animals, but instead they want to economically punish... which is why there is no future for the world with the west... with them it is either us or them, not us and them.

    Most of the world would benefit from planting programmes, yet there is no political will or interest in doing so.

    The good thing is, that brazils elites are panicking now. Economic pressure works wonders. Even Bolsonaros voter base, uneducated savage peasant folk squeaks like pigs right now. Facist Bolsonaro sings another tune now suddenly, calling for help to stop the fires, blaming farmers for the fires (he encouraged them to burn the forests few weeks before). Law enforcement suddenly gets active.

    Brazil currently has a facist, uneducated swine as president and Europe showed him the red line.

    We already have peaceful programs regarding rainforest with equador, colombia and peru.

    Also we start to sanction palm oil from malaysia and indonesia.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:14 pm

    kvs wrote:...The Amazon rainforest is being destroyed because Brazil is a 3rd world country with way too many poor trying to eke out a living
    from the land. People talk about European countries cutting down their forests. That happened during the 1200-1400s. Ancient
    history. Brazil needs development and not idiotic "rights" to destroy the Amazon.

    USA chopped down theirs just century ago

    Last year or last millennia, it doesn't matter

    Those forests are property of country where they are located same as any other natural resource and nobody has right to tell any nation how to manage their resources

    Should Russians and Arabs be banned from extracting hydrocarbons because they might pollute the air or disturb the ghost of dinosaurs? Because that's what you are advocating

    Those are just trees, nothing more, and they are property of Brazil, what they do with them is their business

    Europeans and Americans made massive fortune by exploiting natural resources on their own territories, time for rest of the planet to enjoy the spoils as well

    And I don't remember White European scum complaining about environment back when they were ones chopping down those Brazilian (and other) trees and making big bucks in the process so what changed now?




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    Post  Aristide on Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:...The Amazon rainforest is being destroyed because Brazil is a 3rd world country with way too many poor trying to eke out a living
    from the land.   People talk about European countries cutting down their forests.   That happened during the 1200-1400s.  Ancient
    history.   Brazil needs development and not idiotic "rights" to destroy the Amazon.      

    USA chopped down theirs just century ago

    Last year or last millennia, it doesn't matter

    Those forests are property of country where they are located same as any other natural resource and nobody has right to tell any nation how to manage their resources

    Should Russians and Arabs be banned from extracting hydrocarbons because they might pollute the air or disturb the ghost of dinosaurs? Because that's what you are advocating

    Those are just trees, nothing more, and they are property of Brazil, what they do with them is their business

    Europeans and Americans made massive fortune by exploiting natural resources on their own territories, time for rest of the planet to enjoy the spoils as well

    And I don't remember White European scum complaining about environment back when they were ones chopping down those Brazilian (and other) trees and making big bucks in the process so what changed now?





    Wrong, those forests are property of humanity. Those Trees generate 20% of worlds oxygen and are a hotspot of bio diversity.

    But since its meaningless to discuss with you, enjoy the fact tht Bolsonaro bnds his knees infront our pressure. He just makes a 180°. So you see we dictate and we force them to save the forest.

    They now send military to fight the fires and Bolsonare even allowed army to judge over criminal farmers who laid the fires.

    Millions in the world demonstrate against Bolsonare and his criminal gang. Popular people like Cristiano Ronaldo who is very popular in Brazil speak out against Bolsonare. Millions demonstrate in Sao Paulo and Rio right now.

    And you know whats best? Since EU said we will cancel the trade agreement with all South American countriesm, the other countries there (Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, ect) Stad up against Brazil. Bolsonaro is isolated and udner enormous pressure. Obviously eough pressure that this facist swine buckles.

    What changed? Its caleld renaissance and enlightenment. You should try it too.


    You say Brazil can do what it wants? Ok, so can we. We can decide who we trade with and with who we dont trade. And we chose to not trade with Brazil as long they dont save the forest.

    You shoukd visit the rainforest. Have you ever stepped into one?

    I was in Yasuni in Equador. I was in Daintree in Australia. Words cant describe those natural wonders.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:54 pm

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151201094120.htm

    Plankton accounts for 67% (+/-) of the O2 emissions. The rest are land plants. The Amazon has a high density of plant growth and is thus
    a major CO2 sink and O2 source.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:23 pm

    Aristide wrote:Wrong, those forests are property of humanity...

    So were European and American forests but that didn't stop locals from chopping them down

    Brazilians can and should do the same

    Circle of life, hakuna matata



    Aristide wrote:I was in Yasuni in Equador. I was in Daintree in Australia.

    You were in some North African toilet and then you floated to France where you are now in some immigrant shelter


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    Post  Aristide on Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:Wrong, those forests are property of humanity...

    So were European and American forests but that didn't stop locals from chopping them down

    Brazilians can and should do the same

    Circle of life, hakuna matata



    Aristide wrote:I was in Yasuni in Equador. I was in Daintree in Australia.

    You were in some North African toilet and then you floated to France where you are now in some immigrant shelter



    You only insult yourself with such rants.

    Brazilians right now in the millions demonstrate against Bolsonaro. Looks like our intervention worked quite well. Bolsonaro suddenly changed 180°. The threat of cancelling trae with Brazil worked wonders.

    How does it feel Papa to see your quite bizarre point of view fall apart? Disappointed that Bolsonaro bends down?

    btw last vacation

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    And at 1st September i fly to Noumea / New Caledonia

    I guess you never visited such splendid vacation regions?

    I dint blame you for this. Im sure you you are happy with your life, even so you canta fford such travels.

    The only north african country i ever visited was Egypt btw

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:15 pm


    Nothing sadder than Arab on steroids (actually nothing funnier)

    Can you post a sample of your voice? I am curious if it's alto or soprano lol1

    How do you expect people to believe that you are French when you keep posting your photos? We can see your face on them FFS...

    I do believe about second one being real, did you take it while you were being carted on camel caravan to the boats in North Africa?

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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:27 pm

    Typical retarded kid that survive thanks to mummy and daddy. Those trips are now afordable for most of people.

    You should put some silicon into your legs too, looks like an inverted pyramid lol1
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:56 pm

    Isos wrote:Typical retarded kid that survive thanks to mummy and daddy. Those trips are now afordable for most of people.

    You should put some silicon into your legs too, looks like an inverted pyramid lol1

    That 25 day Australia trip cost 10.250€ per person. I travelled with my girlfriend. So how many people you know that spend 20.000 € for a vacation trip?

    My family is 50% southern french, 50% spanish from Navarra region.

    What i find amusing is how you folks stick to personal insults when losing arguments.

    Im nice to evryone, even to working class folks.

    As for the topic, Macrons intervention worked wonders. Brazil fears losing trade with the EU. But thats not enough, the goal must be to crush the farmers there.

    Papa dragon one thing amuses me even more, i think very low about arabs. In France they have the same social status as africans, eastern europeans and other rather unfortunate people. I find it amusing that you try to insult me with something that has the same status as you in our ideology.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:10 am

    Aristide wrote:...I find it amusing that you try to insult me with something that has the same status as you in our ideology.

    I know exactly where I am in Arab ideology, that's precisely why I'm insulting you with it

    Switch your brain on for couple of minutes before commenting, it will be worth it

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    Post  Aristide on Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:12 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:...I find it amusing that you try to insult me with something that has the same status as you in our ideology.

    I know exactly where I am in Arab ideology, that's precisely why I'm insulting you with it

    Switch your brain on for couple of minutes before commenting, it will be worth it


    You are a serbian, i assume you hate me because we bombed your country in 1999. Im not responsible for that, i was a small toddler then.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:01 am

    Aristide wrote:...
    You are a serbian, i assume you hate me because we bombed your country in 1999. Im not responsible for that, i was a small toddler then.


    You didn't bomb my country, USA and NATO did

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    Post  Aristide on Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:05 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:...
    You are a serbian, i assume you hate me because we bombed your country in 1999. Im not responsible for that, i was a small toddler then.


    You didn't bomb my country, USA and NATO did


    France was integral part of the bombing campaign. Infact it concentrated in bombing the bridges in Belgrade.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Serbia_relations

    France participated in the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, which resulted in a UN administration of Kosovo and then to eventual independence. France currently has 1,368 troops serving in Kosovo as peacekeepers in the NATO led Kosovo Force. Originally there was 7,000 French troops in KFOR.[8]

    Here is an old article from 1999

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unpredictable-french-back-nato-war-1.186797

    Infact France was 2nd largest force to attack Serbia, even infront UK and right behind USA.

    I was like 2 years old then in 1999, so i assume you dont blame me for things done then.

    We have different world views, that is ok. You never see me going personal like you do.

    As for Brazil, Bolsonaro was pushed into the corner and it appears to work since he bends and changes his politics.

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