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    Future Russian Aircraft Carriers and Deck Aviation.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:21 pm

    ..and they have clearly decided they want a new carrier with more capacity than the Kuznetsov in the 70K ton weight range.
    The Type 002 CV is 85K tonnes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_002_aircraft_carrier

    The Type 003 CVN will be 107,5K tons, possibly up to 110K tons:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_003_aircraft_carrier

    IMO, it will be a waste of $ to build a 70K ton CVN.
    They want helicopter carriers too but that is for a separate purpose. ..to support Russian naval surface groups... they are there to protect Russian ships in foreign waters from enemy air attack.
    large UDKs can combine LHA missions with CV missions- it's not like their ships r w/o adequate defensive armaments & need to rely only on air cover when outside their land based aviation.
    No, they wont. Otherwise there would be no point is developing catapult systems, which they are clearly doing.
    they developed many other things before that failed & got cancelled, so it's faulty reasoning.
    The ships use the satellites for navigation and communication, the satellites can't locate the ships... that is not their function.
    other ocean surveillance sats can locate ships. The SOSUS will also detect their noises, adding in pinpointing their course, speed, & location. Their E-3 AWACS, B-52s, & MQ-4C UAVs can also find them in the Arctic & certainly in the Chukchi Sea, not to mention the Bearing Strait/Sea.
    The radar has a range of more than 250 miles (375.5 kilometers).
    https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104504/e-3-sentry-awacs/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress#B-52_and_maritime_operations

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-4C_Triton#Design
    most of the countries of Asia would not like Japan taking a more militaristic turn...
    they could care less what other Asians feel; the don't trust each other & most hate each other's guts.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:09 am

    IMO, it will be a waste of $ to build a 70K ton CVN.

    What would be a waste would be them thinking the biggest heaviest carrier wins and therefore wait to see how big Chinese carriers are and make theirs bigger for bragging rights on the internet.

    They have determined what they want... why would they build something they don't need?

    large UDKs can combine LHA missions with CV missions- it's not like their ships r w/o adequate defensive armaments & need to rely only on air cover when outside their land based aviation.

    The Russian Navy is like the Russian Army in that it does not expect the support or protection of the Russian Air Force. That is not to say they would not benefit from cooperation, but they have their own air defence systems and weapons.

    With that being said the purpose of helicopter carriers is landing troops and disaster relief... not air defence of surface vessels. That is what they want CVNs for.

    they developed many other things before that failed & got cancelled, so it's faulty reasoning.

    Like VSTOL fighters. They realised the performance was never going to be better than cheaper lighter simpler less fragile more conventional aircraft, and now they are developing in a different way from mini carriers with little VSTOL fighters.

    But in their defence the Hermes class mini carriers no longer exist in the British fleet either because of their limited performance... their new carriers are a similar weight to the Kuznetsov...

    other ocean surveillance sats can locate ships. The SOSUS will also detect their noises, adding in pinpointing their course, speed, & location.

    They might also detect thousands of decoys and drones... and SOSUS is vulnerable to direct attack... in the case of a serious war.

    Their E-3 AWACS, B-52s, & MQ-4C UAVs can also find them in the Arctic & certainly in the Chukchi Sea, not to mention the Bearing Strait/Sea.
    The radar has a range of more than 250 miles (375.5 kilometers).

    Yeah, radar range less than effective range of late model S-400 naval SAMs being developed for the Redut system... and also shorter range than the S-500 system to be used on large naval vessels too.

    they could care less what other Asians feel; the don't trust each other & most hate each other's guts.

    Most don't trust each other (why should they be any different from Europeans and Americans), but they can unite against the Japanese rather quickly.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:56 pm

    The brand new project of the medium aircraft carrier from Krylov State Research Center. #IMDS2019

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:00 pm

    Finally !!!!!!!! Project 11430E Lamantin (Manatee) nuclear-powered aircraft carrier


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    According to Nevskoye, it would have a service life of 50 years; be able to carry 60 aircraft, including fighters, helicopters, and AEW&C; 10 UAVs, 2 electromagnetic catapults, 4 arresting gears, and 1600-2000 tons of ammunition/missiles. 3/

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:18 pm

    Isos wrote:Finally !!!!!!!! Project 11430E Lamantin (Manatee) nuclear-powered aircraft carrier


    @RALee85
    According to Nevskoye, it would have a service life of 50 years; be able to carry 60 aircraft, including fighters, helicopters, and AEW&C; 10 UAVs, 2 electromagnetic catapults, 4 arresting gears, and 1600-2000 tons of ammunition/missiles. 3/
    It is just a model, but those aew&c aircrafts remind me a lot the yak-44 Very Happy
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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:26 pm

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    In an interview today, the Krylov Center's Pavel Filippov said they have now developed a much smaller gas turbine-powered aircraft carrier, only displacing around 40k tons that would cost 200 billion rubles. He says it could be launched within 5 years. 9/
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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:23 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:26 pm

    Isos wrote:Rob Lee
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    In an interview today, the Krylov Center's Pavel Filippov said they have now developed a much smaller gas turbine-powered aircraft carrier, only displacing around 40k tons that would cost 200 billion rubles. He says it could be launched within 5 years. 9/


    This one?

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:26 pm

    Shtorm-KM 40 000 tonnes:

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    Lamantin 80-90 000 tonnes :

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    But still small compare to Shtorm 100 000 tonnes :

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:30 pm

    Yes Papadragon. Pretty expensive in my opinion.


    Lamantin seems to have 6 redut on each side for a total of 96 missiles for defence with at least 4 pantsir on the forward and simalar number in the back.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:44 pm


    If that thing is really 40k conventional powered and with that many aircraft then they should definitely go with that one

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:47 pm

    But there is no real hangar inside the ship. Only a small one for repair. That would destroy the aircraft, specially the expensive ram paint and coating of su57 making it expebsive to use. 

    Conventional power means more refueling and no awacs.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:03 pm

    Isos wrote:But there is no real hangar inside the ship. Only a small one for repair. That would destroy the aircraft, specially the expensive ram paint and coating of su57 making it expebsive to use. 
    ...


    Well that's a dumb idea if there ever was one

    They should stick with LHDs

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:10 pm

    Well they can use this light shtorm as a helicopter carrier and when needed load the migs.  Very Happy
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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:43 pm

    "There will be, of course, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier but not in the short-term perspective," the Navy chief said.

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    Post  hoom Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:12 am

    Thats a rework of Ulyanovsk model.
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    Basing it off Ulyanovsk isn't a bad thing, it was a fully developed design in construction at the end of USSR so if they actually have the plans still it should be a good basis for a new carrier.

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