still in senial, Supreme Commander signed VSTOL unlik EMALS
Supreme commander hasn't signed off on any carriers either... for all we know they could be operating them from civilian cargo ships, or chinese made islands in the middle of international waters...
in 1991 any pretext was good to cancel financing. This had nothing to do with technical issues tho. True Yak-43 , MiG-144 too, nothing to do with technical side.
Definitely true that there was no funding at the time for carriers or carrier aircraft... the Su-33s they had made are still the ones they have, and the only reason they got MiG-29MRs is because the Indian order paid for tooling and most of the design... so they tagged their order on the back of the Indian order.
The thing with the MiG-1.42/1.44 and the Yak-43 is that the former failed because Sukhoi offered something better, and the latter never got off the drawing board, while there are already aircraft with likely better performance already in service in the form of the MiG-29KR, that is related to a land based aircraft of the same design and many of the same parts... that is entering service too... paid for by the Air Force.
skijump can be on 20k too. Invincible could take 18 Harriers and had skijump and 22ktons
A ship replaced by a new carrier similar in size to the Kuznetsov by a country well known for only spending money on absolute essentials... and even then cutting budgets after conflicts...
MiG-33 is a hybrid of MiG-29 and Su-33? lol1 lol1 lol1 BTW speed of Yak-141 in pair with F-18 or F-35.
MiG-33 is the name for the MiG-29K/R... like the Yak-41M is sometimes called Yak-141... and the amount of fuel needed to operate supersonically means the Fulcrum and the Yak are unlikely to ever operate at such speeds operationally...
useles to what? to your requirements of solving real ltaksks?
To provide adequate air cover for a group of Russian ships beyond land based aircraft range.
so you didn notice that currently there is netcentric warfare? and drones? you still live in 90s?
Of course... everyone uses drones instead of AWACS... can you name them?
Describe the drone the Russians would use...
I hear tanks are all going to be replaced because ATGMs are too powerful... what they are going to replace tanks with is a land vehicle with a really big gun and three crew in the hull under the heaviest protection, with a range of anti missile and anti warhead and anti IED capabilities... they are going to call this replacement for the obsolete tank... a tank.
I suspect the same for AWACS platforms... you need a huge radar and lots of computing power to process the enormous raw volume of data, so that information can be used to generate commands and controls to direct your forces... it is the difference between AWACS and AEW... and of course you need humans in the loop to make decisions and issue those commands... so it will end up being an unmanned aircraft with 4 crew and probably 2-4 guys operating consoles sending commands to ships, other aircraft, and via satellite HQ.
not true, 1 is enough to send anywhere. besides Midway. For 1/4 of costs.
If you are wrong, your surface fleet will get wiped out... costing lives and perhaps a trillion dollars worth of hardware... not to mention a political and likely economic defeat Russia might not recover from.
If I am wrong they spend a little too much on their shipyards and domestic production...
6 billion dollars is a lot of money... but over the 15 years it will take to get the thing into service and properly trained and ready for combat it is not that big a deal... and in many ways it ensures the money spent on other vessels is money better spent as it will make them more useful and safer.
It wont let Russia take on the US or NATO, but that would never be a consideration... use Kinzhal and Kh-32 and Onyx and soon Zircon...
What a Face What a Face What a Face so you want to have years somewhere?!
If it is a blockade, you might need to be there for 2-3 months... the logistics chain for a small vessel would be cheaper but also more taxed to maintain such a deployment.
Unliely 40-50ktons has it all, and if she needs more supplies that's wny are supply ships for right?
Supply ships that might be banned from various choke points around the world... so no Panama canal, no suez canal, no bosphorus straight... who knows how far this supply line might have to go... and in some places it will need protection too.
Better to have larger capacity on board... they could have an 80KT vessel with 90 fighters that only carries 30 fighters and AWACS and helicopters and the rest of the capacity extra resources... the point is that a carrier designed to carry 90 planes will have weapons and fuel reserves for 90 planes... so 40 planes could operate for twice as long without any resupply support.
It is like the Flanker... it has the capacity to carry an enormous load of fuel, but most of the time most of its internal fuel tanks are empty... you are claiming money could be saved by buying a smaller aircraft like the MiG-29 and if you need to operate great distances then use external fuel tanks (which reduce load) or send some inflight refuelling aircraft to support them.
I am saying if it was for home defence then a MiG would be fine but the intention of these carriers is to support operations well away from Russian territory so the extra capacity is useful and worth the extra money.
If you are afraid of US carrier groups attacking Russia then MiG-29s and MiG-31s with kinzhal, in addition to coastal defences and land based airpower should already be plenty to not just stop an attack but also totally obliterate the attacking force...
That is not what they need carriers for.
OK denial of existing and approved plans. Next I expect aggression. Acceptance comes later.
The call for a new VSTOL aircraft design does not mean the Yak-43 would be involved...
now? yes she does. BTW 80 destroyers you mean? for 1,4 blns $ each? right.
All their new large ships are going to be expensive... new technology is not cheap.
But they are not going to need enormous numbers of new ships anyway... the Russian Navy is not going to be as big as the Soviet Navy, but the Russian navy is going to be more mobile and likely more active than the Soviet Navy was... the Soviet Navy was all about facing off against the enormous US and powerful French and British navies... the future Russian navy will be about supporting free and open commerce with Russias trading partners around the world...
no there are plans for CVNs the question is not if but whenm, And yes they are persistent since last year
There are no plans for mini CVNs... ie helicopter carriers, that you seem to be endorsing...
Nuclear propulsion and EMALs and the new larger ship designs seem to suggest several things... first a shift from single used optimised ship design, to more multirole modular approach, but such a change means an increase in cost per vessel, despite an increase in flexibility within the fleet... instead of having 6 air defence missile destroyers and 6 anti sub destroyers and 6 anti ship destroyers, they could have 8-12 destroyers able to carry anti ship, anti sub, and land attack, plus all with serious air defence capability... those 8-12 ships might cost more than 18 of the older ships but they will also be more useful, more flexible... and cheaper to run and man and maintain.
The V in CVN suggests they wont be Hermes sized carriers.
America class LHA is 45k tons.
American Lha sounds like something that comes out of a volcano.
And no country would fuck with Russia who has global reach with either bombers + cruise missiles of closer to shores missile ships.
The US is screwing with Russia now... a good example is the USS Liberty... it was at risk of revealing Israel cheating on agreements made with the US so they had to stop it... but they couldn't ask it to stop operating in international waters... so they pretended to misidentify it and they attacked it... and they didn't stop attacking it until they intercepted a message that a nearby carrier group was sending F-14s...
Knowing the US has nukes is one thing having actual F-14s approaching at high speed and weapons armed is something else... something tangible... something that turns your underpants brown...
But who on the planet is as arrogant as an Israeli... perhaps an American? If America decides to blockade Venezuela for whatever reason do you think they will back off because a ship is there... when fighter aircraft are inbound then they will listen...
Programme cost read again please, This time with understanding. lol1 lol1 lol1
R&D + 3 ships =37 blns
And what was the unit cost of the F-35 before they were built? ... I seem to recall statements of $50 million each... because they are buying 2,300 of them... now it is more like double and when Turkey gets S-400... the numbers might change again...
How to Find the Mean
The mean is the average of the numbers.
Of course... but in the US MIC you are better off taking estimates of cost and doubling them and then delay a couple of years and increase the price by 30% again just to be sure... and then once they are in service... because they were rushed add another 40% for all those problems that weren't fixed during testing and wont get fixed until the 3rd or 4th block or tranch...
According to Borisov, we are talking about the creation of a new aircraft, and not about working out on the basis of some existing machine.
Because the Yak-41M was a failure and the Yak-43 was an untested paper plane...
At the same time in the mid-1990s work was already underway on the Yak-201 design sketch, which was to be the further development of the Yak-141. It was envisaged that it would already be implemented using stealth technologies.
Read was going to be enormously expensive...
At the same time, engineers and designers will be able to take full advantage of all the existing developments in this field and modern aircraft engineering
So brand new design not evolved from the Yak-41M or Yak-43 design... that is good news at least.
If they want STOVL they could use the AN-2 prototype... with a carrier sailing into the wind at 10 knots and a wind of say 20 knots the An-2 could hover over the deck and land vertically... and it is already made....