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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:38 pm

    Even smaller. Sosna is still using a tracked chassis of BMP-3 derivative.
    I thought Tigr, the same way as Gibka-S.

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    This missile will be less expensive

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:57 pm

    I meant a package of 12 missiles + some optics and small radar. Very Happy

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:40 am

    hope we get pics from exhibition.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:08 am

    Anti drone posts moved to here.


    Pantsir video that was transferred but is relevant to this thread:

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:15 pm

    https://iz.ru/1686568/roman-kretcul/prikrytsia-pantcirem-shoigu-anonsiroval-udvoenie-postavok-zrk-v-voiska

    Deliveries of Pantsir anti-aircraft missile-gun systems to the troops this year will almost double, its head Sergei Shoigu said at the board of the Ministry of Defense.

    The Pantsir-SM modification is considered to be the most modern short-range air defense system. These complexes received a new radar with an active phased array, as a result, the target detection range increased from 32-36 km to 75 km.



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    Small-caliber ammunition is being developed for the Pantsirs, Izvestia reported earlier. They use a control system and a warhead that are close in their capabilities to conventional Pantsir missiles. The new ammunition will be very effective against drones, and can also be used against ATGMs, MLRS shells, anti-radar missiles and other means of air attack.

    The minimum area of destruction of air targets by such missiles will be reduced to 500 m. The full ammunition load of the anti-drone system can be up to 48 missiles.


    So the new info is 500 meter range and it can be used for other targets than drones for quadpacked missiles and production got doubled.

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 23, 2024 9:59 pm

    Minimum range, which means the small missile can hit targets that are only 500 metres away.
    Maximum range with the "big" missile will be increased to 40km.

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    Post  Krepost Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:08 am

    The tracked version of PANTSIR is undergoing tests.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:35 am

    Pantsir is the most important AD system right now in todays climate, next to S-300V4, as the enemy uses drones and BM's. So the more advancements towards this SHORAD, the better.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:56 am

    Krepost wrote:

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    Did they replace the gun with an A0-18? It looks a lot thicker.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:27 pm

    Krepost wrote:The tracked version of PANTSIR is undergoing tests.

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    and immediately using the 40 km range missile.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:49 pm

    Pantsir is the most important AD system right now in todays climate, next to S-300V4, as the enemy uses drones and BM's. So the more advancements towards this SHORAD, the better. wrote:

    The S-400 is very good against ballistic missiles. Especially those used by the West in Ukraine. S-300V4 can be used against MRBM and IRBM Smile It's a pity against SRBM with a range of 300 km
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:31 pm

    Did they replace the gun with an A0-18? It looks a lot thicker.

    It is probably a missile tube... it can carry up to about 6 on each side which is two side by side and vertically 3 tubes.

    This is two tubes... obviously for testing they are not fitting all 12 tubes.

    These are the 40km range missiles so they are bigger and longer than the originals so they would extend well beyond the twin barrel 2A38M cannon.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:12 am

    https://rostec-ru.translate.goog/news/rostekh-pokazhet-mini-rakety-dlya-pantsirya-na-vystavke-flot-2024/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    Rostec will show mini-missiles for Pantsir at the Fleet-2024 exhibition
    Rostec will present a wide range of defense products at the International Naval Show, which will be held in Kronstadt from June 19 to 23.

    One of the new products is a mini-missile for the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and gun complex developed by the High-Precision Complexes holding company. The product is designed to combat drones and other small air targets.

    In addition, at the joint stand of the State Corporation you will be able to see the Pantsir-ME naval anti-aircraft missile and gun system, which, along with the land version, has shown high efficiency in real combat conditions.

    Another solution for air defense is an airspace control system. The complex is capable of detecting and tracking UAVs at a distance of up to 30 km.

    “Rostec creates weapons to fight the enemy on land, in the air and at sea. At the exhibition in Kronstadt we will demonstrate our current developments for the navy: naval aircraft, shipborne electronic equipment, air defense systems, ammunition and much more. In particular, we will show the export version of the naval “Pantsir”, which during the SVO proved its ability to successfully counteract modern Western missiles, such as Storm Shadow,” said Bekhan Ozdoev, industrial director of the complex of conventional weapons, ammunition and special chemicals of Rostec.

    In addition, exhibition guests will be able to learn about naval aviation aircraft, such as the Su-30SM, which are produced by the United Aircraft Corporation. It is these aircraft that most often accompany NATO aircraft in the skies of the Baltic.

    Also, visitors to the stand will see specialized small arms and armored vehicles, including the PP-2000 submachine gun, the double-medium special ADS assault rifle for combat swimmers, the BT-3F armored personnel carrier and other developments.

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    Post  Krepost Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:24 am

    The missiles of the Pantsir.
    From left to right (note that they are export designations):

    - The standard 20km range 57E6 missile
    - The new longer range and faster 57E6M missile for the Pantsir-SM
    - The smaller (anti drone) TKB-1055 missile for the Pantsir-SM
    - The small pack of small missiles that fits in place of of one larger missile

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:30 am

    So Pantsir SM now curry 48 small missile per launcher.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:31 am

    There is a version without guns, and a double 2x12 battery of missiles instead.
    So if those will be loaded with that small antidrone missiles, it will get an insane ammo load for the class.

    Edit : have you spotted the range of this smaller missiles? scratch

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    If we will take a 57E6 as a reference, it is 3160mm width and 90/76mm diameter.
    This new 57E6M looks like a bit shorter, but wit a slightly thicker and much longer booster and much thinner missile.
    Missiles of the new version and small one looks about same diameter as the old one, with smaller nose cone which probably is the missile itself, with the most of its length being booster.
    So my guess is that the new small missile is about 1600mm long and 70-76 mm diameter.
    This replicates the Igla dimensions, sooo ... I would bet on a range of approx. 6-8 km.

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