Russian Economy General News: #10

What burden? If they are not happy to join Russia then they are welcome to move out. Russia needs the territory, people can be reproduced, but not land.

The Soviet Union tried that during the cold war, nothing they could have done would have been right... even having better living standards than the Soviets themselves had wasn't enough for those assholes.

Russia needs more territory like it needs more problems... it needs to focus its attention on getting the best out of the people and territory they do have, not in acquiring more land and more people who prefer to blame others for there problems.

If there was a huge ground swelling of people wanting to be called Russians and be Russian then fine, but otherwise they will have to be looked after and pampered and even then there is no guarantee a small minority might protest at evil moscow being undemocratic... after all the US always follows international law to the letter.

BTW people who don't like Russia would be much like the Albanians in Kosovo... how did that go when Serbia decided that Albanians should live in Albania... kinda logical to me to be honest.

This is a kind of twisted logic. Russia does not need another hostile neighbour next to it.

What difference would it even make... they already have to look elsewhere for trade, so who cares if NATO troops are a little closer... the medicine is the same... tactical nuclear warheads on IRCMs and IRBMs...

Russia needs to move in and seize Belarus period. If America bitches about Nuclear war let them have it. Are you afraid?

I don't think the benefits of a Russian Belarus make it worth while... either way you get NATO on your border, but if you seize Belarus then there will be a section of the population that will be miffed at you and they will get enormous support from the west... and for what... what is actually in Belarus that is valuable enough to Russia to make them want to seize it using violence or force?

It is like Afghanistan during the Soviet period... they only went in to help an ally against infiltration by an enemy (US)... in terms of strategic location it was bloody useless and cost them men and material... and for what?

The real key is for Russia to focus within its own borders and make being Russian mean something to other people... new technology to make life easier and more comfortable, spending money wisely to improve communication and transport within the country to open out isolated areas to commerce, to build a free and fair society... where anyone can work a fair days work and receive enough money to live comfortably on, where important things are not expensive and everyone gets the education and health support they need... you know... the sort of thing the US used to be about in the 1950s before the bean counters rewrote the rules to favour the already rich.

Don't make anyone join Russia that doesn't want to... it really has to be their choice or it simply isn't worth the agro.

And it is not me being pro us or pro eu, it is me thinking of Russias interests over the actual realistic interests of the baltic states or Ukraine or Belrus... because they would all fit much better with Russia and be much better off with Russia looking after them the way they did... putting trade through baltic ports instead of st petersburg etc etc, but that really wasn't better for Russia so screw them.

This is because of other Majority half is left with no support. If only Putin decided to arm the 60% Pro-Russia Ukrainians in 2014 then the Banderite NATO pigs would have been crushed. Russia should have fought aggressively from the very beginning.

Adding weapons would not help either side as it would escalate and lots of people would get killed and still nothing would be solved.

IMHO Putin should not have accepted Porochenko as the new leader of Kiev, the coup should never have been accepted as being legitimate because it was not... it was an illegal coup and a government that has no authority over the Ukraine... which is why the regions are fighting.

Former Soviet territories Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania shouldn't have been allowed into NATO. now NATO is in Russia's doorstep.

That is NATOs problem, whether they were or were not in NATO they would remain venomously anti Russian. Their presence in NATO makes NATO weaker and more vulnerable, but also more anti Russian, but the whole purpose of the organisation was to oppose the Soviet Union, which is now Russia.

Don't you think it is ironic that the US controlled NATO to fight the SU, but now the SU is Russia and the US acts like they claim the SU was going too... gobbling up countries in Europe moving military forces to borders and holding exercises intended to intimidate and stir trouble...

This is why it is very important to destroy America's economy as it is the main engine that powers NATO. an American economic collapse will create a storm of economic and political chaos across the planet and this will be the crucial opportunity for Russia to snap back the baltics, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan. with all these territories back to Russia, it will be more secured in terms of resources.

But the question is... if it is a sudden collapse rather than a gradual steady erosion, what will happen with shock and emergency modifications.

What I mean is that the gradual steady use of tools like the US dollar and sanctions and the threats to kick them out of SWIFT have led to Russia and other countries taking measures to rid their addiction to US controlled economic threats... if the US had gone postal in the 1990s and kicked Russia out of SWIFT and never allowed them into the WTO or the world bank... the effects on Russia could have been devastating, but given 10 years to develop and then a slowly increasing level of sanctions have allowed Russia to fix their weaknesses... like dependence on energy exports, like importing food they could clearly grow themselves, like SWIFT etc etc Russia has in fact become rather stronger and much less dependant on the west... her ties to europe were quite significant, but the US was able to easily demand sanctions because the ties to the US were much fewer and less negotiable.... America didn't have a huge amount of trade with Russia so sanctions haven't effected that relationship much at all... if America collapses now Russia and a lot of the rest of the world are in much better shape to come out OK... but the longer it takes the better they will be and it might come to a point where countries start shutting the door when they see the US ambassador coming to give his weekly sermon on how bad you are and you need to open up more to US trade and accept their GMO foods and super greasy fast foods... that is when I think a US collapse will do everyone some good, but I sadly believe the US needs a civil war to fix its laws and to make law makers listen to the needs of the American people, not the needs of the independently wealthy who will jump ship and run away... who probably send their kids to super expensive european schools now anyway... not to get a superb education, but to mix with the children of the rich and famous to create links and ties with the movers and the shakers of the world. It wont be their kids getting shot or stabbed in the streets. The limo will have bullet proof glass anyway...

If there is a portion of the population that resists, Brutalize them into submission. since America is crippled, they cannot afford to interfere or provide help to the separatists.

The cure is starting to sound worse than the disease...

But if America decides to go down the path of Nuclear war then Russia will have no choice but to make sure that every NATO citizen is erased from the planet.

And that is the problem... even with fast breeder reactors it is going to take them some time to build enough nuclear warheads to irradiate the entire territories of their enemies...

Russia needs to take Belarus if US succeeds in a maiden there as they need it.

Russia doesn't need the problems that would create... Russia was right to avoid getting directly involved in the Ukraine and would do well to avoid the shit storm in Belarus... they just need to point out to the majority what this radicalised minority is trying to do and give them the opportunity to react and stop it... and if they don't... it is the country they live it... it is their bed they have to lie in.

The pro Russian in ukraine in 2014 were not were not 60% of the population. At best 50% in the Russian speaking areas (Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson). I do not know about Dnipro as it was directly controlled by Kolomoski.

There might be rather more pro Russia now seeing what the anti Russian forces have achieved, but the ukrainian president that was overthrown was actually rather anti Russian himself... his choice of the Russian offer was just common sense... it was something along the lines of 7.5 billion in loans that had to be paid back from the EU, vs 15 billion in investment from Russia in the Ukraine plus a similar amount from China... only an idiot or a paid employee of the US would choose the EU offer and he wasn't an idiot nor being paid by the US like Poro was.

It could have been useful for Russia of course to have especially the industries in places like Zaporozhe and Nikolaev, but it was not easy after all the damage in the minds of the general population after more than 20 years of "independence".

And the fact that they were soviet facilities that could probably have taken about 50 billion of investments and upgrades to get them up to modern standards... which it didn't get.

All of those regions will need a lot of money to be invested there to bring them on par with the neighboring russian oblasts, after so many years of neglect, and they will probably complain that the life will not improve fast enough for them after an eventual reunification with Russia.

Exactly... and it will be all Russias fault too...

Territory = natural resources, arable lands, living space, buffer zone.

They already have more natural resources and arable lands and living space than they can realistically manage as it is, and if the territory of Belarus becomes Russia again then it is not a buffer zone.... it is just more territory to defend and protect and to invest in... hostile locals wont thank you for that investment and will likely complain that it is not enough no matter what is done...

You are smart enough, you should know. If Kazakhstan is still part of Russia, 1.) they wouldn't need to rent Baikonur. 2.) Russian will have large swath of steppes to land their space vehicles. 3.) more agricultural, living space for Russians

Russians already have more land than any other country on the planet and they are investing a lot of money on several space ports inside their own territory... why rent from someone else?

Kazakhstan is not part of Russia by their choice, why do you think that would change?

The Soviet leadership at that time was naive. They should have massacred everyone who did not submit to Soviet power.

Funny, because the western stereotype of the Soviets was that that was exactly what they were doing... calling in air power to bomb peaceful villiages... murdering women and children... but for the last 18 years that is what the west has been doing, but the coverage has been different.

Britain tried about 6 times to create a silk road from China to Europe through there and failed every time and they tried that massacring all their enemies on more than one occasion and it tended to fail miserably each time it was tried. Hitler tried it too during WWII... it wasn't some accident that 20 million died on the eastern front... and it didn't work out for them either...

I dont follow your logic here. So if Ukraine, Belarus, Finland, Kazakhstan, Mongolia etc joins NATO, will it make NATO 10x more weaker?

Russia will defend itself against NATO with nuclear armed missiles... do you think the Ukraine or Belarus or Finland being part of NATO will make even a tiny difference?

What sort of force boost would NATO get with Ukrainian troops... first of all who will supply their transport and equipment?

NATO is a label for the anti Russia club in Europe and lets face it, the Ukraine and Finland and Georgia are pretty much already members... even if they don't have the badges or the flags. Putting Belarus in the same group is clearly not right... they are not venomously anti russian yet, like the Ukraine 1% clearly are.

This kind of makes me wonder if the average Russian (or at least in this particular instance, Muscovite) appreciate Putin's hard work to make Russia a better place to live.

The main problem with democracy is that your average person will vote for someone because of their name or because of the way they look, or as some sort of protest because the person currently in seems to have been there too long... how about giving someone else a go...

By the time they work out it was a mistake it is too late. And the majority of people vote for one party or person because of an issue or a few issues... might be anti gun or anti death penalty or perhaps climate change or some such bollocks and don't really care that on some other issues the person they are voting for is a fucking nutter. They also assume that they will do what they say they will do and will not be influenced by bribery and corruption.

No1 asked them if they wanted to join the PRC in 1997.

Give all the people in Hong Kong British passports and send them to the UK while it still exists... Hong Kong is Chinese... no question about it.

They r ethnically & culturally Chinese but in their mind r not PRC citizens/subjects of the CCP that's in power in Beijing. Many of their relatives, friends, & parents/grandparents fled the PRC during the Cultural Revolution.

The hand over back to China was always the situation... if they didn't see that coming they have no excuse. They should ask the US for passports and the UK for passports and just leave.

They are protesting extradition laws to mainland China... where were the protests when they passed the extradition law to the US? The US has a solid policy of kidnapping internationally Chinese citizens based on commercial issues, there is more danger from the US than from the PRC.

There r many different kinds of Chinese people- those in the PRC & those in HK, Macao, Taiwan, SE Asia; overseas in Africa, Polinesia, Australia/NZ, Americas, & Europe.

Large numbers of Chinese people came to New Zealand for the gold rush and were treated like shit by the early settlers. They even had a chinaman tax where you had to pay a significant sum of money to come to New Zealand to live if you were Chinese... they clearly didn't want non whites to come here... total bastards.

Of course the British are ultimately to blame they fucked up a lot of places doing shit like this. In Fiji, the Fijians have a different culture and work ethic from the British and when a Fijian has done enough work to pay the bills he stops working and goes home to his family... which was not good enough for the British, so the british got a whole lot of ethnic indians from their other colony in india and got them to do the work... which was fine, but when the british left they didn't take those indians with them so there are all these fijian indians that are not ethnically fijian... they are of course indians from india, but they occupy most of the jobs in government and own most of the businesses and now they practically run the country.

New Zealand is shocked when they have a military coup in Fiji because most of the military are ethnic fijians who don't think fiji should be ruled by ethnically foreign people. So they have had military coups where the elected indian has been replaced by some ethnically fijian general, but the entire situation was created by the British but they don't give a shit.

The west has a lot to answer for and the problems they created wont go away...

Every time a revolt/civil war/oppression/famine/natural disaster was occuring on the mainland, waves of refugees & immigrants were coming out to Taiwan & SE Asia.
Those who can will go there & perhaps Australia & Canada, not UK & USA.

The UK created the problem, why are they not keen to clean up their mess... of course... why would they start now.

How is this not a buffer zone? is having a couple of hundreds of kilometers extra distance between Moscow and NATO invasion forces not useful?

A buffer zone is territory between you and your enemy that is expendable... that you don't care about... for the Soviets, that was eastern europe, so that if the west attacked the fighting would be on Warsaw Pact territory and not Soviet territory.

If Belarus becomes Russian territory then it becomes Russian territory and Poland becomes the buffer zone where the Russian nukes will land... still, so really nothing would actually even change.

With the INF treaty gone and looking at the performance of NATO in recent exercises I would say Russia has nothing to worry about in terms of invasion threat... the only question they need to ask would be is do they have enough tactical nukes to obliterate everything they want to destroy...

the mentality/ loyalty of locals can be managed through an iron fist.

Yeah, Stalin is gone buddy... Putin is a democrat and wont be pulling that sort of shit... why would he bother starting that now?

Think of this scenario, If lets say Russia grants Karelia, or Chechnya or maybe even Kamchatka independence, over time people from these territories will develop their own identities and will start to resist Russian influence. The reverse is the same, If Russia captures Belarus for instance, at first there will be resistance, but over time with the right application of brutal force, populations can be brainwashed and can be turned into loyal zombie simpletons that will obey without hesitation.

When has that ever worked?

Most of the chunk of Russian territory is Tundra. incorporating Kazakh territory will give Russia more areas with slightly warmer climates. Also, Why are Russian cosmonauts still landing to Kazakhstan from ISS? Why not land to Russian soil? Does this not signify the importance of Kazakh territory for Russian space flights?

The Ukraine made the motors for most Soviet helicopters and Soviet war ships... till they didn't. While they did, they kept doing so because they had no other customers. The decision to stop doing it was political and could come from Kazakhstan over night... and the Russians would alter their procedures and processes and land them somewhere else.

This is why Russian patriotic establishment must make itself so entrenched into Russian society to the point that any form of color revolutions/ regime change ploy will not succeed or affect Russia's upward trajectory and enable the government to continue policies for national growth and development. Putin needs to act quickly and shouldn't hesitate for a split second because such a short time is enough opportunity for the west to derail Russia's progress and plunge the country back to the chaos of the 90s.

The problem there is that your proposed treatment of fellow Russians in Belarus sounds harsh enough to make even reasonable people dislike Russia and Russians... at least when the US says Putin is a dictator, anyone who uses their brain can realise someone who was voted in with the job of running a country is supposed to be dictating policy and direction for the country and as long as the people are given a chance to remove them from power at an election then US criticism looks like bullshit... the reality is that with the DNC rigging the democrat electoral process to put hilary ahead of sanders the US is not even nearly democratic at all.

You two (Vann and Psht) should get off whatever you're smoking....you're living in some sort of alternative universe

So Russia should just waltz into Kazakhstan (or wherever) and simply incorporate it Razz ...there is the little matter of 20 or so million Kazaks who might have other plans

Both Kazakhstan and Belarus are already pretty close to Russia...Belarus is in a military sense already practically part of Russia

There should be a word that means a plan that does the opposite of what it is supposed to do... how about we create a new one... the US Constitution perhaps?

Russia treats those two countries with respect and get respect in return. There is cooperation at many levels and a good relationship... why sleep with their wives and put them in chains and start telling them they are Russian?

I never said it can be done overnight but Russia needs to include this sort of expansion policy as part of its long term goals.

Its best chances for good relations with its neighbours is to succeed. Become successful. Make life comfortable for the average Russian.... eliminate poverty and look after the sick and mentally ill... don't elect them to president like the US and UK do. When Russia has a nice modern country with motivated educated people who work hard and earn enough to be comfortable without 2 or three jobs for both husband and wife, then Russia wont give a fuck about Belarus or Ukraine.

They need to aim for a society where a company would rather pay their employees a good wage with good benefits and make a modest profit that can be reinvested into the company to improve production and productivity and technology levels, than penny pinch on salaries below manager and tooling and training just to make the maximum profit that all goes to the share holders who might live in a different country and have nothing to do with the business at all.

They need to avoid American business models like the plague... whose focus is shareholders and profit... they don't give a shit about anything, their workers, their property and resources... when the workers became human resources, they suddenly became minimum wage robots to be abused and managed like numbers on a spreadsheet.

Company spirit is a new tool to increase productivity and loyalty without actually spending more money.

Even the Elite in United States that influence heavily US foreign policy agree with me...

Which is all the evidence anyone needs to prove you are wrong... the elite in the us don't give a shit about anything except making more money for themselves.... because they are only billionaires and trillionaires and they need it more than poor people do... you know poor people... that is anyone with less than 20 million dollars in the bank...

So see this suckers? This is the way to FIGHT the American Empire idiots..

America is a broken ship and not only don't they see it, but they don't want to know.

It is the ones below deck telling the ones on top that water is coming in, and the captain has ordered the crew to drill holes in the hull because that will let the water out...

Russia and China don't need to do a thing... what they need to do is buy gold and get rid of US dollars because they are going to become worthless, and they need to set up alternatives to international trade systems like swift so after it goes tits up they can continue to trade with their partners.

Making it go faster would just focus US hostility on them and might lead to them lashing out... when someone is having a fit you step back and let them... when they lose control they can do anything... including bite your finger off if you try to help. Once they finish and regain some control you can help them up and wipe the spit off their face and any blood if they bit their own tongue and help them to the toilet if they need a change of underwear, but stepping in while they are thrashing about will only risk you hurting them and them hurting you.

The questions to ask are.. Why Soros is not in panic with Russia hypersonic missiles?
Why Soros is not worried at all about Putin's Olympics ,or Putin's farming records..?

Who gives a fuck about Soros... Russia should not be acting based on what that does or does not want.

Russia should develop their agriculture, because a country that can't feed itself is in trouble... look at Venezuela and North Korea. Russia should hold international events because it is part of the world community no matter how much a tiny minority called the west likes to suggest otherwise, and hypersonic missiles are ideal for keeping the USN and NATO in general in check and in its place... all money very well spent.

I don't care about Soros.. But you and Everyone if want to be smart ,should pay very close attention what the Enemies of Russia fear most. IF you see SOROS and his top economic secretary ,warning Trump ,that if China LEADS the world in IT ,in Robotics and advance High Tech , that US economy will never recover again..

Soros is not a bond villain... he is not going to tell the world what he fears most and the secrets that will destroy him and his kind.

Why do you think Soros has any ability to see in to the future any better than anyone else?

So what more you want? a Coloring Book ,with drawings explaining you what
the World needs to do ,to end the American empire? They said it.. they told it ,
what is their weakness.. They depend on their Leadership on innovative High tech,
to LEAD the world ,to Influence the world. So this is very important..
Because is teaching you exactly how the American Empire can be defeated..

Yeah, because things are simple... I mean Russia and China both had empires that were defeated because the west dominated in the world of IT and robotics and of course AI, so if they can win leading positions in those areas then of course the US will collapse... except the US controls the western media so how would anyone in the west know when China or Russia or India or anyone started to dominate at anything. And if they don't know then what difference does it make?

If China and Russia can take the lead in those areas... which are broad areas BTW, will that make the US economy stop or disappear? Will it make their nuclear weapons disappear, will it make their aircraft carriers disappear?

Please.

Perhaps a 12 year old might think if China can make an AI Robot that they will win because then they will have the equivalent of an army of drones or if you like transformers, but in actual fact leading in AI or robotics or even just IT means fuck all.

Wall Street raped Syria and Iraq and Libya and stole billions of dollars and assets from those countries and both wall street and london stole from Venezuela billions of dollars in frozen assets they wont be giving back... do you really think they are going to say that new Chinese CPUs are better than American ones so we give up because we obviously lose.

Grow up.

So the same year Russia becomes a superior alternative to US high tech business and Lead in Space exploration. and lead in Moon and MArs and others...the year Russia achieve Success in developing a superior system, it will be the year that..
1)NATO will disband
2)Europe will move towards Russian Orbit.. will follow Russia.
3)US military bases kicked
4) Ukrainians will not longer want to join the west.. and will want to return to Russia.
5)US authority will end.. and nobody will follow America anymore..
6)Scientist and students from Europe andAmerican will move to Russia to be part of Russia success.
7)the year ,US will respect Russia , and US will realize they need Russia.. if don't want
to be left behind ,in Russia world lead.. and so they will drop their cold/semihot war
and will seek instead to negotiate for an alliance.. Wink
8)Will avoid a world war 3 and even promote a denuclearization of the planet..

1)NATO is meaningless and a huge waste of money for the west... may it continue forever... it makes clear who you can trade with and who are American drones to be ignored.
2) Screw Europe, they are as toxic as the Americans are... Russia needs more ties with the west like it needs a chainsaw enima.
3) US bases around the world suck money from the US economy and are what will end up ruining the country... why would you want them to stop?
4) Screw the Ukraine... they are leeches and right now they are starving because there is not so much blood left in the west... the last thing Russia needs to to have to start feeding them... better for Russian money to go to Russian interests and Russian people instead of foreign sob stories.
5) US authority is ending, and they are accelerating the process themselves by throwing their weight around in public.
6) The language barrier will make such a thing difficult or unlikely, and to be honest unnecessary... why would Russia want weak lazy westerners to pollute their country with their bullshit?
7) Who cares about getting respect from the west, screw them. Why would you want Russia to be allied with those .
Why? If you get rid of nukes then you give cart blanche to colonial powers with large conventional forces with good mobility and reach... in other words you make NATO make sense and give it enormous power... fuck that. How about every country gets ten nuclear devices each...