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Arrownow they are resorting to terrorism and the Russian offensive has not started yet... what will they do then? wrote:
This mythical great Russian offensive, which has been scheduled to begin for over a year now?
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MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News #2
Arrow- Posts : 2721
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This mythical great Russian offensive, which has been scheduled to begin for over a year now?
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No it hasn't.
No Russian official has mentioned any Russian offensive... lots of people on both sides have speculated about an offensive that might start after the Ukrainian offensive failed but there have been no comments from the people who would actually know.
But then the facts are obvious... Russia has built up and trained a massive force and has been bleeding the Orcs dry.... the longer this goes on the weaker the Orcs will be when Russia decides to go on the offensive.
The alternative is that they are building up forces to guard the line and deal with drone attacks and artillery attacks and terrorist attacks for the next 100 years.
I would guess they are waiting for the right conditions, whether they know Zelensky is going to be overthrown, or they are going to take out all the nazis at the top in a sneak attack... the core problem is that the orcs got rid of most of the pro Russians in the west and central Ukraine largely by sending them to the front or just murdering them, so any attempt to overthrow Zelensky will just change the problem and not solve it... of course a couple of FAB-3000s delivered in a pattern around certain buildings in Kiev will almost assure the contents of a specific building are cremated.
Putin has made it clear they are going to follow this through and Ukrainian access to weapons with flight ranges of 300km means Russian forces need to penetrate 300km into Ukrainian territory to eliminate enemy troops... now there is a good chance that that area 300km into Orc territory might decide to join the Russian Federation too... just for safety reasons, which means the safety zone of 300km has to move west another 300km... see how that works?
Would be funny if they get to HATO borders and the locals ask to join the Russian Federation too.
When the Orc forces collapse the advance will be faster... and they are not going to level cities down like they have with some fortified villiages and towns... most likely they will negotiate the surrender and move troops in peacefully to secure the area and start the process of referendums so they can decide their future.... something Kiev neglected to give them... despite being the greatest democracy that ever existed apparently.
No Russian official has mentioned any Russian offensive... lots of people on both sides have speculated about an offensive that might start after the Ukrainian offensive failed but there have been no comments from the people who would actually know.
But then the facts are obvious... Russia has built up and trained a massive force and has been bleeding the Orcs dry.... the longer this goes on the weaker the Orcs will be when Russia decides to go on the offensive.
The alternative is that they are building up forces to guard the line and deal with drone attacks and artillery attacks and terrorist attacks for the next 100 years.
I would guess they are waiting for the right conditions, whether they know Zelensky is going to be overthrown, or they are going to take out all the nazis at the top in a sneak attack... the core problem is that the orcs got rid of most of the pro Russians in the west and central Ukraine largely by sending them to the front or just murdering them, so any attempt to overthrow Zelensky will just change the problem and not solve it... of course a couple of FAB-3000s delivered in a pattern around certain buildings in Kiev will almost assure the contents of a specific building are cremated.
Putin has made it clear they are going to follow this through and Ukrainian access to weapons with flight ranges of 300km means Russian forces need to penetrate 300km into Ukrainian territory to eliminate enemy troops... now there is a good chance that that area 300km into Orc territory might decide to join the Russian Federation too... just for safety reasons, which means the safety zone of 300km has to move west another 300km... see how that works?
Would be funny if they get to HATO borders and the locals ask to join the Russian Federation too.
When the Orc forces collapse the advance will be faster... and they are not going to level cities down like they have with some fortified villiages and towns... most likely they will negotiate the surrender and move troops in peacefully to secure the area and start the process of referendums so they can decide their future.... something Kiev neglected to give them... despite being the greatest democracy that ever existed apparently.
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And you talk about NATO mobilizing it's population Laughing Laughing Laughing
They will follow the Ukrainians, as far west as they can
If they were smart they would have mandatory service for all of its newest citizens to deal with those immigration problems... those tent cities in France would disappear overnight.
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Btw the Mig-35 showing off its radar was the company prototype (one of two) on display at MAKS 2019.
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It would be unusual for an operational Russian Air Force Fighter to expose its radar like that I would think.
Of course having said that with an order for 6 aircraft over several years they could have hand made AESA radar for them.
It is not going to become operational by itself... it needs production orders and in service items to get the costs down.
Of course having said that with an order for 6 aircraft over several years they could have hand made AESA radar for them.
It is not going to become operational by itself... it needs production orders and in service items to get the costs down.
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I doubt the Russian Air Force would accept the MiG-35 with anything less than the original design specs including the AESA radar.
If it was just essentially a MiG-29K why would they have taken this long to accept it into service?
If it was just essentially a MiG-29K why would they have taken this long to accept it into service?
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Exactly my thoughts.
On paper if they wanted super cheap huge numbers aircraft then the MiG-29M is actually a good choice because you can pump them out in good numbers and when the technology is getting ready you can start putting AESA radars in the planes and replace the cheaper avionics with the top of the line systems the MiG-35 has.
6 planes in however many years it has been is essentially hand made, which means you get to test the performance improvements and system improvements of having an AESA radar in service, but only making 6 planes means you really don't get the benefits for AESA of serial production, which is making millions of elements, where you improve the production process and of course the components get smaller and lighter and cheaper but also more powerful and with fewer duds.
That happens in the factory during serial production.
Can't access UACs website but this from a Hungarian website:
Another reason not to go for the Checkmate... it hasn't even flown yet...
Source: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/05/14/mig-35-mass-production-with-aesa-radar-finding-f-22-at-80-mi/
So that article is from May 2023...
First planes will be entering service 2025, and they don't give numbers but I would expect at least 12 per year in 2025 and more the following year.
This article repeats what I have been saying... you don't plough a field with a Rolls Royce... a smaller lighter cheaper plane makes more sense where you have one third large heavy more capable aircraft, with two thirds smaller lighter cheaper aircraft for jobs that don't require the bigger type.
Would recommend visiting the site as it has some nice photos worth looking at.
On paper if they wanted super cheap huge numbers aircraft then the MiG-29M is actually a good choice because you can pump them out in good numbers and when the technology is getting ready you can start putting AESA radars in the planes and replace the cheaper avionics with the top of the line systems the MiG-35 has.
6 planes in however many years it has been is essentially hand made, which means you get to test the performance improvements and system improvements of having an AESA radar in service, but only making 6 planes means you really don't get the benefits for AESA of serial production, which is making millions of elements, where you improve the production process and of course the components get smaller and lighter and cheaper but also more powerful and with fewer duds.
That happens in the factory during serial production.
Can't access UACs website but this from a Hungarian website:
MiG-35 mass production with AESA radar finding F-22 at 80 mi
By Boyko Nikolov On May 14, 2023
The war in Ukraine shifts the focus from other topics. In the last few weeks, the mass production of the Russian MiG-35 fighter jet has been increasingly mentioned in the Russian media. In fact, this is not a guess, but an officially announced restart of serial production of the light Russian fighter Mikoyan. Officially
In connection with the current situation in the western part of our continent, the construction of the combat capabilities of the Russian Air Force is once again relevant. During the international military exhibition, Aero India-2023, the executive director of the United Aircraft Corporation [UAC] Mr. Yuri Slyusar announced the new production of the MiG-35.
According to Russian experts, Russia’s domestic defense industry seriously fears that in the event of a large-scale conflict, there will not be enough combat aircraft. It is for this reason that UAC decided to resume mass production, local experts say.
If the MiG-35s are really needed, then who?
Conventionally, any modern air force should consist of one-third heavy aircraft and two-thirds light fighters. This is indeed a direct guarantee of the success of the “successfully” formed armed forces. Heavy military aircraft are designed to solve the most complex combat tasks, even non-standard ones.
Light combat units are literally omnipresent – they perform a large part of the missions and can be brought in at any time when needed. It is for this reason that the UAC is reviving the MiG-35 fighters.
No deliveries are planned for the current year [2023]. According to sources in the Russian media, such deliveries are planned for 2024. There is no word yet on how many MiG-35s Russia would like to acquire.
There are currently six units in series production. Two more MiG-35s were produced, but they were prototypes. The six MiG-35s have been transferred to the Swifts aerobatic team.
Will the MiG-35 counter Western fighters?
The MiG-35 actually has many advantages. First, it is easy to adapt any of the latest weapons to modernized light fighters, since the implemented principle of “open architecture” allows the modification of modern weapons in the shortest possible time. Secondly, the attack aircraft will be equipped with an active electronically scanned array [AESA] Zhuk-AM. Why is it important? Because a good fighter is a living fighter. The sooner the enemy is spotted, the sooner it will be destroyed.
According to some reports, the station is capable of detecting any target with an effective spread area of about 5 m² at a distance of about 225 km. This means that an F-22-type target with an EPR of 0.5 m² will be detected by Russian radar already at a distance of 80 miles (126 km) from the carrier – a distance proportional to the 4th power of 10.
The older “birds” – F-15, F-16, F-18 – will appear on the radar from a distance of 200 km. In general, the functionality of Zhuk-AM is similar to the capabilities of the F-16 radar.
MiG-35 is the Russian most advanced fighter
This is not only a Russian opinion. Many Western experts also believe that the MiG-35 is the most advanced Russian fighter jet that Russia has managed to stop producing. Although the information about it is mostly according to the technical specifications, they cannot be ignored.
The MiG-35 can track up to 30 targets and engage six targets simultaneously. The MiG-35 has been described by the American publication 19fortyfive.com as a “brain power”. I.e. the aircraft can easily be integrated to operate autonomously with other air platforms and fighters of the Russian Air Force. Something achievable for today’s fifth-generation fighters [MiG-35 is 4++ gen].
The MiG-35 can reach a top speed of Mach 2.25. It can fly at altitudes of up to 65,000 feet, and the airframe is designed to withstand 9G in the positive limits and 3G m in the negative limits. The MiG-35 is powered by two Klimov RD-33MK turbofan engines with an afterburner.
If the MiG-35 was in Ukraine today
The MiG-35 would be a major success in Ukraine. This fighter is perfectly suited to be directly targeted against tanks, ships, and heavy artillery. It is armed with guided and unguided bombs, air-to-air, and air-to-ground missiles, and a highly lethal 30mm cannon. The MiG-35 has an integrated electronic warfare pod, making it super suitable for attacking enemy air defense systems.
Western experts give it an “A” rating for maneuverability. This fighter is super maneuverable. It performs missions at supercritical angles of attack without any problems at an increased level of sustained and available g-loads and a high degree of yaw angle.
Why not Su-75 Checkmate?
Russia has a very interesting project – Su-75. Why don’t they develop it then? In fact, “Checkmate” is developing, but not as fast as the Russians would like. However, the Su-75 is a very promising development that is not known when it will be tested and it is not known when it will be put into production.
Yes, the Su-75 has its advantages, but in general, apart from the single-engine design, more powerful radar, and stealth technologies, this “dryer” completely performs the same set of tasks as the MiG-35.
That is why local Russian experts believe that Moscow is making the right decision to increase its air fleet with MiG-35s. These fighters can only be retired when the Su-75 is named, and there will be at least about a hundred in service.
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Another reason not to go for the Checkmate... it hasn't even flown yet...
Source: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/05/14/mig-35-mass-production-with-aesa-radar-finding-f-22-at-80-mi/
So that article is from May 2023...
First planes will be entering service 2025, and they don't give numbers but I would expect at least 12 per year in 2025 and more the following year.
This article repeats what I have been saying... you don't plough a field with a Rolls Royce... a smaller lighter cheaper plane makes more sense where you have one third large heavy more capable aircraft, with two thirds smaller lighter cheaper aircraft for jobs that don't require the bigger type.
Would recommend visiting the site as it has some nice photos worth looking at.
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There is a computer term gigo. It means garbage in garbage out.
It is relevant to most systems from library databases to tactical battle maps.
If you pay minimum wage to some high school dropout to enter all your library books onto a computer database what you will end up with is an almost useless system because odds are they wont enter any search information for each book. Likely they will enter title, author, and ISBN number and a dewey decimal number if it has one.
Not many people using that library are going to search for books on title if they just want to read a new book about something.
A tactical battle map is only as useful as how up to date and accurate the information on it is.
If you send out a recon group then areas near that recon group will likely be up to date and accurate, but the rest could have anything there.
Having front line fighters in numbers flying just behind your lines, scanning with modern AESA radars looking for targets and threats and also showing friendly forces is a great way to populate your battle maps in real time, and giving your commanders on the ground access to their view also makes their job easier... they can highlight targets they want help with and indicate where they are and where they might be headed. That view could also be passed to artillery and CAS to indicate where enemy attacks are taking place... the point is that having 600 heavy flankers in your air force means you might have 50 Flankers available for this conflict 24 / 7, but if you have a cheaper lighter fighter to do the dog work like a MiG-35 then that would mean 100 MiG-35s in theatre and 1200 aircraft in the fleet to fill gaps and add sensors and weapons.
The advantage of recon drones is that they are cheap and can practically operate round the clock with replacements taking their place... the problems are that they almost never are able to hit targets as they spot them, they are not fast so they can only cover a relatively small area at a time, and being cheap they have mostly optics for sensors which has problems with fog and mist and rain and snow.
A MiG-35 is not as cheap as a drone but it is not a question of one or the other... you can use both... MiG-35s can hang back from the battlefield and use their radar to scan the ground for moving targets, and the EW will likely pick up electronic emissions too... they might even detect drone operators and drones that transmit video signals... it might not decode them but it could locate them which would be useful because a decent communications link with ground forces would quickly establish where friendly drone operators are so enemy drone operators can be targeted. Taking out drones is one thing but taking out experienced drone operators is also a very very useful thing.
I am not going to claim they wont lose MiG-35s... it is a war and no aircraft is invincible... but when you have 50 Su-35s and 100 MiG-35s then the loss of one plane is not going to effect operations that much.
Not suggesting they would be expendable but the export sales price for the MiG-29M and MiG-35 is 30-40 million dollars each. The Russian AF probably pays half that... and with serial production the price would likely go down over time even further because savings can be made by buying materials and equipment in bulk.
And retooling and upgrades can be justified.
It is relevant to most systems from library databases to tactical battle maps.
If you pay minimum wage to some high school dropout to enter all your library books onto a computer database what you will end up with is an almost useless system because odds are they wont enter any search information for each book. Likely they will enter title, author, and ISBN number and a dewey decimal number if it has one.
Not many people using that library are going to search for books on title if they just want to read a new book about something.
A tactical battle map is only as useful as how up to date and accurate the information on it is.
If you send out a recon group then areas near that recon group will likely be up to date and accurate, but the rest could have anything there.
Having front line fighters in numbers flying just behind your lines, scanning with modern AESA radars looking for targets and threats and also showing friendly forces is a great way to populate your battle maps in real time, and giving your commanders on the ground access to their view also makes their job easier... they can highlight targets they want help with and indicate where they are and where they might be headed. That view could also be passed to artillery and CAS to indicate where enemy attacks are taking place... the point is that having 600 heavy flankers in your air force means you might have 50 Flankers available for this conflict 24 / 7, but if you have a cheaper lighter fighter to do the dog work like a MiG-35 then that would mean 100 MiG-35s in theatre and 1200 aircraft in the fleet to fill gaps and add sensors and weapons.
The advantage of recon drones is that they are cheap and can practically operate round the clock with replacements taking their place... the problems are that they almost never are able to hit targets as they spot them, they are not fast so they can only cover a relatively small area at a time, and being cheap they have mostly optics for sensors which has problems with fog and mist and rain and snow.
A MiG-35 is not as cheap as a drone but it is not a question of one or the other... you can use both... MiG-35s can hang back from the battlefield and use their radar to scan the ground for moving targets, and the EW will likely pick up electronic emissions too... they might even detect drone operators and drones that transmit video signals... it might not decode them but it could locate them which would be useful because a decent communications link with ground forces would quickly establish where friendly drone operators are so enemy drone operators can be targeted. Taking out drones is one thing but taking out experienced drone operators is also a very very useful thing.
I am not going to claim they wont lose MiG-35s... it is a war and no aircraft is invincible... but when you have 50 Su-35s and 100 MiG-35s then the loss of one plane is not going to effect operations that much.
Not suggesting they would be expendable but the export sales price for the MiG-29M and MiG-35 is 30-40 million dollars each. The Russian AF probably pays half that... and with serial production the price would likely go down over time even further because savings can be made by buying materials and equipment in bulk.
And retooling and upgrades can be justified.
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