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    Post  Big_Gazza 17/01/22, 03:51 pm

    kvs wrote:Once there is a military application, Russia starts serious investigation.   The USSR made the Buran because of the Shuttle's potential military
    use.   But the Buran concept was not merely a copy but was forming from the 1960s.   This small variant seems to be a continuation of
    the same general program.   I am not seeing the great utility myself.


    Same, but I put it down to a general desire to match capabilities. One never really knows which technologies will pan out as useful, and which will collapse into useless obscurity. The jury is out IMHO as to whether these reuseables min-shuttles have much utility that more conventional systems can't deliver, but its best to follow and develop domestic equivalents, even if only as a hedge.
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    Post  PapaDragon 17/01/22, 05:13 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
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    LMFS wrote:That seems an analogue to the X-37B
    So it does have a foreign analogue?
    Yes, unlike Zircon, Sarmat, Iskander, Khinzhal, Avangard, Poseidon, Burevestnik, Persevet, S-500, T-14, MiG-31, 1144 Orlan etc etc etc  

    It was a joke but still I'm really glad you got pissed off specifically Razz



    Big_Gazza wrote:Still not sure however what utility the embryonic Murkan Intergalactic Imperium can gain from the X-37....

    Relax and give it time

    If Russia ever builds it's own version you will learn to love it and regularly creampie yourself every time you see a photo lol1

    Yeah. I realise that, and I was agreeing with you... Suspect

    You seem a little... sensitive... these days? You need to work on that fragility... Razz

    Oh yeah totally

    That's what happened lol1

    Nice Hail Mary attempt though, wasted effort but still...


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    Post  lancelot 18/01/22, 02:47 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Still not sure however what utility the embryonic Murkan Intergalactic Imperium can gain from the X-37.  Its not an efficient platform for orbital surveillance due to the small size of its payload bay (part of which will need to accommodate a deployable solar array), and its not efficient at changing orbits for inspection of assets due to the "useless" mass of main engines, aerodynamic surfaces, flight controls, and thermal protection system.  My guess is that it's a tech demonstrator for a reuseable space interceptor, but given that its launched from an expensive and non-military Titan launcher, its hardly a war-fighting asset. That doesn't really matter however, as after all, the Pentagram has never seen a "weapon" system it doesn't like and want and need...

    There are two theories. One is the official narrative that the X-37 is a robotic space laboratory used to test components in space. The other is that the X-37 is used to inspect or spy on existing satellites.
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    Post  Arrow 18/01/22, 03:07 am

    Russia has already been testing the satellite inspector for many years:D

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    Post  Singular_Transform 18/01/22, 06:17 am

    The most important spec of the X-37 is its capability to change orbits unexpectedly, as during perihelion it enter the atmosphere, and change orbital plane randomly.


    Means the X-37 is a very capable orbital nuclear bomber, and its require extreme ammount of work from the Russian / chinese space forces to follow its path.


    It can enter areas unexpectedly, so it is not like the other spy satelites that are easy to forecast,and prepare ,like moving into the hangar the prototypes.

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    Post  Big_Gazza 18/01/22, 01:06 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:The most important spec of the X-37 is its capability to change orbits unexpectedly, as during perihelion it enter the atmosphere, and change orbital plane randomly.


    Means the X-37 is a very capable orbital nuclear bomber, and its require extreme ammount of work from the Russian / chinese space forces to follow its path.


    It can enter areas unexpectedly, so it is not like the other spy satellites that are easy to forecast, and prepare ,like moving into the hangar the prototypes.

    Nope, it has little more orbital agility than any other satellite equipped with a re-startable engine bus (some claim that it can use aerobraking in elliptical orbits to adjust its orbit, but that just consumes orbital energy so its hardly much of an advantage).  While its plausible that it can carry a nuke payload, in this day and age I don't think its feasible to carry out a sneak attack as a decapitation strike.   Given that it requires a conventional launcher such as Atlas V to be put into orbit (as opposed to solid-fuelled ICBM conversions) it will never be orbited in any significant numbers.

    No, I think this vehicle is a solution looking for a problem.

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    Post  GarryB 18/01/22, 11:01 pm

    The Russians accurately track and log objects in orbit down to the size of paint chips... an object the size of the X-37 would be no problem at all to keep track of.

    Objects collide and effect the orbits of other things all the time so the actual task of tracking most objects is not trivial, but adding an X-37 to the mix wont be a problem either.

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    Post  Big_Gazza 19/01/22, 12:13 am

    Part of Russian radar-based space tracking would be establishing orbital parameters for all visible objects, then when they pass out of radar coverage, they extrapolate the orbit and accurately predict their reappearance (the methodology will include modelling of atmospheric drag for those object that have a low periapsis). Objects are re-acquired when they return to coverage and any objects that differ from their expected orbital trajectory will be flagged by exception. Objects that were launched on military missions (such as an X-37) with the ability to change orbits will be priority targets.

    Modern computer networks allow such a process to be fully automated, with human operators at Space Defense centers being alerted on a by-exception basis. The result is that the idea that a satellite with a modest propulsion package can change orbit to such a degree within a short space of time in order to evade orbital tracking isn't really feasible, especially a reusable system that must conserve a significant amount of fuel so that it can perform in re-entry burn at the end of mission.

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    Post  GarryB 19/01/22, 12:02 pm

    And agreements with other countries to place space tracking bases on their territory can remove some blind spots too, and make it more accurate all of the time...

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    Post  Arrow 20/01/22, 10:16 pm

    https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4006/1

    About Russian optical reconnaissance satellites, etc.In this regard, they need much more optical and radar reconnaissance satellites.

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    Post  Hole 22/01/22, 08:39 am

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    The model in the video looks close to this thing, a space drone from a few years ago.

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    Post  thegopnik 05/09/22, 05:41 pm

    Just copy pasting info from paralay forum. it doesnt hurt to check the brother forum sometimes.

    https://rg.ru/


    The multifunctional radar "Don-2N" - the central and most complex element of

    the Russian missile defense system - has been modernized and is being prepared for testing. The performance of the computer system has increased by four orders of magnitude, its size has decreased by four times.

    "The modernization of the receiving and transmitting parts of the Don-2N radar is nearing completion, the installation and adjustment of new equipment is continuing.Work has been completed on the manufacture and installation of the modernized command and computing station," Major General Sergey Grabchuk, commander of the missile defense unit, told Krasnaya Zvezda.

    The don command post runs on a new computer system, the Elbrus-90S, with a capacity of about 100 billion operations per second. According to open sources, the former Elbrus-2, which occupied a whole floor in the cyclopean radar building, could perform no more than 12.5 million operations.

    - The area occupied by the equipment will be reduced by 4 times, and the power consumption - by 40. Due to a significant reduction in the number of blocks and cells, the reliability and maintainability of the complex will be significantly improved. Due to multiple reservations, the time to restore the combat readiness of the Elbrus-90S will decrease," the general continued.

    The main task of the Don-2N is to detect, track, select and calculate the trajectories of ballistic targets, as well as to direct anti-missile missiles to them. Phased antenna arrays on the edges of the truncated pyramid, in which the station is enclosed, scan the airspace and near space for 4,000 kilometers in azimuth and 40 thousand km in height. They are able to distinguish an object the size of a tennis ball.

    The starting positions of anti-missile missiles have also been modernized.



    53T6(M)(in the background) at the plant KB "Novator":

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    Post  caveat emptor 06/09/22, 04:55 am

    thegopnik wrote:

    The don command post runs on a new computer system, the Elbrus-90S, with a capacity of about 100 billion operations per second. According to open sources, the former Elbrus-2, which occupied a whole floor in the cyclopean radar building, could perform no more than 12.5 million operations.
    Since Elbrus-90S is a family of SPARC processors, i am guessing that they will be using R1000 model, which is the last one from the family.
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    Post  lancelot 06/09/22, 08:03 am

    This sounds like old news though. I heard similar reports years back.

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    Post  George1 22/04/23, 07:42 am

    Secret US documents reveal Russia has secret weapons (14Ts227 Tobol System) to jam the Starlink system
    https://vietnam.postsen.com/world/299207/Secret-US-documents-reveal-Russia-has-secret-weapons-to-jam-the-internet-in-Ukraine.html


    According to US intelligence, Russia uses Tobol complexes to counter the Starlink system

    The Washington Post newspaper in the article by Alex Horton “Russia tests secretive weapon to target SpaceX's Starlink in Ukraine. Moscow's bid to sever Ukrainian forces' internet access is more sophisticated than previously known, leaked document shows." more sophisticated than previously known"),Continuing the topic of studying US military intelligence briefings leaked via the Discord social network, reports that, according to one of these intelligence documents, Russia is trying to use its 14Ts227 Tobol ground systems to interfere with the SpaceX Starlink satellite Internet service used by the Ukrainian armed forces, initially created mainly as a means of protecting the Russian satellite constellation from enemy electronic interference. Antenna system of the Russian ground-based space electronic warfare complex 14Ts227 "Tobol" at facility 8282/3 (NIP-13) in Ulan-Ude (Buryatia) (с) www.thespacereview.com
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4688329.html

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    Post  George1 22/04/23, 07:43 am

    Presentation of the construction scheme of facility 8282/3 of the Russian ground-based space electronic warfare complex 14Ts227 "Tobol" in Ulan-Ude (Buryatia) (c) www.thespacereview.com GoogleEarth satellite image of the Russian ground-based space electronic warfare complex 14Ts227 "Tobol" at facility 8282/5 (NIP-4) near Yeniseisk (Krasnoyarsk Territory) (c) www.thespacereview.com

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    Post  franco 05/10/23, 12:22 am

    Every year on October 4, the Russian space forces celebrate their professional holiday.

    On this day in 1957, the beginning of the space age was laid in the USSR — the first artificial Earth satellite was successfully launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome. The preparation, launch and control of the first satellite in an orbital flight was carried out by specialists of military formations of the Space Forces.

    Today, the organizational and space forces are part of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation and perform tasks as part of the army of Special-purpose Aerospace Forces, the Main Test Space Center named after Herman Titov, the Main Center for Missile Attack Warning, the Main Center for Space Situation Intelligence, as well as military units of the Plesetsk Cosmodrome.

    The training of professional officers for the space forces is carried out by the Military Space Academy named after A.F.Mozhaisky.

    The space forces solve a wide range of tasks, the main of which are: monitoring the situation in outer space and identifying threats to Russia in space and from space, providing the highest levels of management with reliable information about the detection of ballistic missile launches and missile attack warnings, launching spacecraft, managing and maintaining in the established composition and readiness for use satellite systems for military and dual (military and civilian) purposes and means of launching them.

    Currently, the space forces have created and are operating an effective system for preparing the launch and control of domestic spacecraft for various purposes, a system for orbital and radar control of missile-hazardous areas, as well as providing global monitoring of the space situation.

    As part of the combat duty to ensure the control of outer space in 2023, specialists of the Main Center for the Exploration of the Space Situation of the Space Forces of the Aerospace Forces detected more than 1,500 launches of foreign and domestic ballistic missiles and space rockets, monitored the launch into orbit of more than 2,274 spacecraft, provided forecasting and monitoring of the termination of ballistic existence of about 450 space objects, 3 warnings were issued about dangerous approaches of space objects with spacecraft of the Russian orbital grouping. At the same time, special attention was paid to monitoring the composition and condition of orbital groupings of foreign space systems.

    Combat crews of the Plesetsk cosmodrome conducted 3 launches of Soyuz-2 class space rockets with 3 military spacecraft.

    Specialists of the Main Test Space Center named after G.S.Titov provided 13 launches of space rockets from the Plesetsk, Vostochny and Baikonur cosmodromes, with the launch of 55 spacecraft into orbit. This year, the on-duty forces of the ground-based automated control complex of the space forces conducted more than 400 thousand control sessions for more than 200 spacecraft.

    Currently, the military units of the Main Space Test Center operate more than 300 modern and modernized spacecraft controls.

    The development of a new generation of command and measurement systems for the re-equipment of individual command and measurement complexes is actively underway. The commissioning of unified command and measurement facilities will allow us to switch to new technologies for controlling spacecraft of the Russian orbital grouping and reduce the list of modifications of technical controls of previous generations by several times.

    The troops are actively working on commissioning the latest models of weapons, military and special equipment. The new generation Voronezh radar stations of the missile attack warning system, created using high factory readiness technology in the Leningrad, Kaliningrad, Irkutsk, Orenburg regions, in the Altai, Krasnodar, and Krasnoyarsk Territories, are on combat duty.

    Work continues on the creation of new radar stations of the missile attack warning system in the Komi Republic and the Murmansk Region.

    As part of the implementation of the program for the improvement and development of the Russian space control system, the space forces continue to work on the creation of specialized ground-based space control devices of a new generation. By 2025, it is planned to deploy more than 12 new optoelectronic and radio engineering complexes on the territory of Russia, implementing various principles of detection and recognition of space objects.

    Currently, about 50 experimental design and research works on the creation of new generation systems and complexes are being carried out to re-equip the formations and military units of the space forces with promising weapons.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12480853@egNews

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    Post  thegopnik 26/03/24, 01:35 pm

    important news that was missed out but rediscovered.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17186545?ysclid=lu7mkrrcnh326885144

    The peculiarity of "Sula" is that the antenna is located on a rotary support, which allows you to cover a longer range of action
    MOSCOW, March 3. /TASS/. The state-of-the-art Sula space object surveillance radar can be installed on seagoing vessels. This was reported to TASS by a representative of PJSC Radiophysics (part of the Almaz-Antey Air and Space Defense Concern).

    "Sula" is a radar for monitoring space debris, its range reaches 6 thousand km in the S band. If the customer wants to install such a radar on the ship, this can be done, while the size of the antenna can be changed in accordance with the customer's requirements, without losing technical characteristics," he said, adding that in this case, the power and range of the station will be reduced.

    As the representative of the concern specified, the detection range of an object with an RCS of 10 square meters is 6 thousand km, and at a distance of 1,500 km, an object with dimensions of only 10 cm will be detected.

    Earlier it was reported that the peculiarity of "Sula" is that the antenna is located on a rotary support, which allows you to cover a greater range of action. The station is controlled from a command and computing center made in a prefabricated module.

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    Post  thegopnik 26/03/24, 04:56 pm

    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/japan-military-news-reports-data-etc.2436/page-414
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Dragon029/comments/443z1u/relative_detection_range_vs_rcs/

    since the source was talking about square meters 10cm2 to m2 is .001m2 they did calculations that the an/spy-6 was like .0025m2 at 760kms. remember this can be used as a ship radar but that's already overkill.


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    Post  The-thing-next-door 27/03/24, 03:54 am

    The Lider class is looking promising. A ship with true strategic ABM capabilities.

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    Post  thegopnik 27/03/24, 04:29 am

    The ship would be more of a Naval A-235 than S-500 system with that kind of radar.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door 27/03/24, 06:28 am

    thegopnik wrote:The ship would be more of a Naval A-235 than S-500 system with that kind of radar.

    Perhaps the could scale the radar down for the Lider and keep the heavy ABMs for future missile cruisers. The S-500 is still a capable medium weight ABM that will be more than adequate against the primitive missiles of the pindos. Perhaps it may be best to create a separate class of ABM ships with long range ABMs that could patrol the waters of Russia and any allied nations to dilute any potential us counterattack.

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    Post  GarryB 27/03/24, 01:48 pm

    There is no such thing as having too much radar... too much radar means extra warning... with hypersonic scramjet powered missiles flying at 50-60km altitude the distances you can see them from is increased and the earlier you spot them the more time you have to deal with them.

    The problem for the Saudis and of course the west who also base their air defences on aircraft based systems is that if you don't know you are under attack, you are not looking and if you are not looking you wont see anything till things start to explode... which is obviously too late.

    The Russians have mentioned a new S-550 that seems to be optimised for faster targets including targets in orbit, but they specifically mentioned it would not be used at sea... which is interesting because it shows the S-500 will be used at sea, but is a clear indication that they will protect their ships from ballistic missile attack but they are not going to create a sea based ABM defence to protect Russia.

    This will likely put the Americans at ease, but the capability of their land based SAMs and ABM systems is actually very destabilising but the west hasn't worked that out yet... they are likely not anticipating it will be effective... which, as current conflicts in Ukraine and Syria show when it comes to air defence the Russians know what they are doing...

    S-500 will keep Russian naval surface groups safe at sea.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door 28/03/24, 01:39 am

    GarryB wrote:but they are not going to create a sea based ABM defence to protect Russia.

    Why ever not? I think that a specialised class of ABM vessels could add an additional layer to the Russia's northern aerospace defence which is currently one of the weaker areas of the defence network due to the lack of land on which to base defences. If any of these ships are free they could also be sent to protect future Russian allies in order to dilute the US counterattack.

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