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    Russian Space Forces: News

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:13 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
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    LMFS wrote:That seems an analogue to the X-37B
    So it does have a foreign analogue?
    Yes, unlike Zircon, Sarmat, Iskander, Khinzhal, Avangard, Poseidon, Burevestnik, Persevet, S-500, T-14, MiG-31, 1144 Orlan etc etc etc  

    It was a joke but still I'm really glad you got pissed off specifically Razz



    Big_Gazza wrote:Still not sure however what utility the embryonic Murkan Intergalactic Imperium can gain from the X-37....

    Relax and give it time

    If Russia ever builds it's own version you will learn to love it and regularly creampie yourself every time you see a photo lol1

    Yeah. I realise that, and I was agreeing with you... Suspect

    You seem a little... sensitive... these days? You need to work on that fragility... Razz

    Oh yeah totally

    That's what happened lol1

    Nice Hail Mary attempt though, wasted effort but still...


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    Post  lancelot Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:47 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Still not sure however what utility the embryonic Murkan Intergalactic Imperium can gain from the X-37.  Its not an efficient platform for orbital surveillance due to the small size of its payload bay (part of which will need to accommodate a deployable solar array), and its not efficient at changing orbits for inspection of assets due to the "useless" mass of main engines, aerodynamic surfaces, flight controls, and thermal protection system.  My guess is that it's a tech demonstrator for a reuseable space interceptor, but given that its launched from an expensive and non-military Titan launcher, its hardly a war-fighting asset. That doesn't really matter however, as after all, the Pentagram has never seen a "weapon" system it doesn't like and want and need...

    There are two theories. One is the official narrative that the X-37 is a robotic space laboratory used to test components in space. The other is that the X-37 is used to inspect or spy on existing satellites.
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    Post  Arrow Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:07 pm

    Russia has already been testing the satellite inspector for many years:D

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    Post  Singular_Transform Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:17 pm

    The most important spec of the X-37 is its capability to change orbits unexpectedly, as during perihelion it enter the atmosphere, and change orbital plane randomly.


    Means the X-37 is a very capable orbital nuclear bomber, and its require extreme ammount of work from the Russian / chinese space forces to follow its path.


    It can enter areas unexpectedly, so it is not like the other spy satelites that are easy to forecast,and prepare ,like moving into the hangar the prototypes.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:06 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:The most important spec of the X-37 is its capability to change orbits unexpectedly, as during perihelion it enter the atmosphere, and change orbital plane randomly.


    Means the X-37 is a very capable orbital nuclear bomber, and its require extreme ammount of work from the Russian / chinese space forces to follow its path.


    It can enter areas unexpectedly, so it is not like the other spy satellites that are easy to forecast, and prepare ,like moving into the hangar the prototypes.

    Nope, it has little more orbital agility than any other satellite equipped with a re-startable engine bus (some claim that it can use aerobraking in elliptical orbits to adjust its orbit, but that just consumes orbital energy so its hardly much of an advantage).  While its plausible that it can carry a nuke payload, in this day and age I don't think its feasible to carry out a sneak attack as a decapitation strike.   Given that it requires a conventional launcher such as Atlas V to be put into orbit (as opposed to solid-fuelled ICBM conversions) it will never be orbited in any significant numbers.

    No, I think this vehicle is a solution looking for a problem.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:01 am

    The Russians accurately track and log objects in orbit down to the size of paint chips... an object the size of the X-37 would be no problem at all to keep track of.

    Objects collide and effect the orbits of other things all the time so the actual task of tracking most objects is not trivial, but adding an X-37 to the mix wont be a problem either.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:13 pm

    Part of Russian radar-based space tracking would be establishing orbital parameters for all visible objects, then when they pass out of radar coverage, they extrapolate the orbit and accurately predict their reappearance (the methodology will include modelling of atmospheric drag for those object that have a low periapsis). Objects are re-acquired when they return to coverage and any objects that differ from their expected orbital trajectory will be flagged by exception. Objects that were launched on military missions (such as an X-37) with the ability to change orbits will be priority targets.

    Modern computer networks allow such a process to be fully automated, with human operators at Space Defense centers being alerted on a by-exception basis. The result is that the idea that a satellite with a modest propulsion package can change orbit to such a degree within a short space of time in order to evade orbital tracking isn't really feasible, especially a reusable system that must conserve a significant amount of fuel so that it can perform in re-entry burn at the end of mission.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:02 am

    And agreements with other countries to place space tracking bases on their territory can remove some blind spots too, and make it more accurate all of the time...

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:16 am

    https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4006/1

    About Russian optical reconnaissance satellites, etc.In this regard, they need much more optical and radar reconnaissance satellites.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:39 pm

    Russian Space Forces: News - Page 4 Mld12
    The model in the video looks close to this thing, a space drone from a few years ago.

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