Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+57
Rodion_Romanovic
Hole
nero
Vann7
Walther von Oldenburg
Tingsay
BKP
Isos
SeigSoloyvov
Tsavo Lion
Airbornewolf
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E
medo
franco
Stealthflanker
mnztr
dino00
Godric
ATLASCUB
LMFS
Regular
AlfaT8
littlerabbit
OminousSpudd
Arrow
crod
Admin
PapaDragon
kvs
slasher
Visc
starman
KiloGolf
nomadski
calm
d_taddei2
Big_Gazza
A Different Voice
GarryB
JohninMK
KoTeMoRe
George1
eehnie
0nillie0
ultimatewarrior
miketheterrible
magnumcromagnon
TheArmenian
archangelski
flamming_python
Karl Haushofer
HUNTER VZLA
Cyberspec
auslander
par far
Mindstorm
Austin
61 posters

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    avatar
    Vann7

    Posts : 4990
    Points : 5096
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:35 am

    russia needs much bigger vehicles.. those jeeps are really bad choice for doing patrols in a war zone with many angry civilians.. can't protect their soldiers
    against mines.. and civilians can jump above the car and break its anthenas and equipment.. russia need bigger  transportation heavily armor cars ,that is not only strong against enemy fire and mines,but also  protect against civilians mobbing and standing on top of it..
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 9250
    Points : 9353
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:58 am

    Vann7 wrote:russia needs much bigger vehicles.. those jeeps are really bad choice for doing patrols in a war zone with many angry civilians.. can't protect their soldiers
    against mines.. and civilians can jump above the car and break its anthenas and equipment.. russia need bigger  transportation heavily armor cars ,that is not only strong against enemy fire and mines,but also  protect against civilians mobbing and standing on top of it..

    You are missing a key point. Russia's plan is to not be in any of the areas where those risks occur, they only go where they are invited.

    Unlike the US who are often where they are nor wanted, hence the need for more and expensive protection.
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 30628
    Points : 31158
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:26 am

    Vann, what makes you think protesters can't climb on bigger vehicles?

    Are bigger vehicles better protected from land mines?

    I have seen Tiger tanks obliterated after running over a large mine... those US vehicles are not bigger and heavier than Tiger tanks...

    It doesn't matter what size a vehicle is... protesters can blind any vehicle with tins of paint and paint in spray cans... you can break small external components on any sized vehicle...

    If that is the problem then a RWS that has pepper spray and a rubber bullet projector makes sense but that is more for riots and police forces rather than an army...
    avatar
    Vann7

    Posts : 4990
    Points : 5096
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:22 am

    GarryB wrote:Vann, what makes you think protesters can't climb on bigger vehicles?

    Are bigger vehicles better protected from land mines?

    I have seen Tiger tanks obliterated after running over a large mine... those US vehicles are not bigger and heavier than Tiger tanks...

    It doesn't matter what size a vehicle is... protesters can blind any vehicle with tins of paint and paint in spray cans... you can break small external components on any sized vehicle...

    If that is the problem then a RWS that has pepper spray and a rubber bullet projector makes sense but that is more for riots and police forces rather than an army...


    i mean vehicles that are taller and difficult if not impossible to climb..
    the american trucks are much better for that job ,in civilians zones than the russian ones..
    since is very easy to climb on russian jeeps..  so an armored infantry carrier had to be designed
    for special missions ,when operating close to angry stone throwing /molotov civilians..that climb above their
    jeeps.. that will allow an infiltrated terrorist to deploy a bomb on top.. so that they don't climb about their jeeps as easily as already kurds did it on their tigers.

    Regular
    Regular

    Posts : 2432
    Points : 2416
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Western Hemisphere.. mostly

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Regular Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:44 pm

    Are you all blind? That's IVECO LMV not Tigr.

    M-ATV family is much better than Humvee vehicle family.

    It's very decent vehicle, especially interesting is J-ATV platform. It's also air-droppable and has very good mobility for MRAP. M-ATV is also not the top of the line product, yet they are not crazy expensive or super sophisticated like their rivals in USA.

    Russia also has very good MRAP vehicles - US forces in Syria would wish to have vehicles like KAMAZ Typhoons. Russia soon will have quite decent MRAP fleet as well, the thing is - USA already have tons of vehicles ready at their disposal.
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 30628
    Points : 31158
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:25 am

    i mean vehicles that are taller and difficult if not impossible to climb..
    the american trucks are much better for that job ,in civilians zones than the russian ones..
    since is very easy to climb on russian jeeps.. so an armored infantry carrier had to be designed
    for special missions ,when operating close to angry stone throwing /molotov civilians..that climb above their
    jeeps.. that will allow an infiltrated terrorist to deploy a bomb on top.. so that they don't climb about their jeeps as easily as already kurds did it on their tigers.

    For an Army vehicle they just need a RWS with a rifle calibre machine gun... it wont matter how tall their vehicles are... people wont be climbing on them.

    Angry mobs disperse at the sound of gunfire...

    They wont do it twice... and once they do plant bombs on vehicles that is justification for machine gunning any large group of civilians near Army vehicles... lets be honest the only place this is relevant is in terrorist held areas of Syria where most of the civilian population is family to terrorists... just shoot them.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion

    Posts : 5731
    Points : 5721
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:44 pm

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/02/article/four-fsb-special-ops-troops-killed-in-syria-report/
    GarryB
    GarryB

    Posts : 30628
    Points : 31158
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:56 am

    Neither the FSB nor the Defense Ministry have officially confirmed or denied reports of the four officers’ alleged deaths yet, the report said.

    Don't trust that source.
    Tsavo Lion
    Tsavo Lion

    Posts : 5731
    Points : 5721
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:31 am

    Fidan, head of Turkish intelligence, threatened with a repeat of the fate of Suleymani https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2852783.html
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 9250
    Points : 9353
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:31 pm

    I know these are old pictures but I couldn't resist.

    These are the two sides at today's meeting in Moscow after the Turks said "Regime forces must withdraw to pre-operation positions"


    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 ERAlKZjXUAIAq1H?format=jpg&name=360x360

    crod
    crod

    Posts : 448
    Points : 485
    Join date : 2009-08-04

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  crod Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I know these are old pictures but I couldn't resist.

    These are the two sides at today's meeting in Moscow after the Turks said "Regime forces must withdraw to pre-operation positions"


    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 ERAlKZjXUAIAq1H?format=jpg&name=360x360


    lol!
    Big_Gazza
    Big_Gazza

    Posts : 2735
    Points : 2735
    Join date : 2014-08-25
    Location : Melbourne, Australia

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:20 am

    /snigger
    /guffaw

    So funny.... Laughing
    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 7878
    Points : 7862
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:36 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1230226284090974214

    US soldiers find their driving licences in kinder surprises. Russian should have shot at the vehicle as self defence.
    miketheterrible
    miketheterrible

    Posts : 6135
    Points : 6111
    Join date : 2016-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  miketheterrible Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:40 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1230226284090974214

    US soldiers find their driving licences in kinder surprises. Russian should have shot at the vehicle as self defence.

    Any, better yet, ram the MRAP as it's top heavy, it will flip.
    Regular
    Regular

    Posts : 2432
    Points : 2416
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Western Hemisphere.. mostly

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Regular Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:57 am

    Both of the retarded.

    Why would you overtake military convoy? Why would you ram? MRAP and Tigr could have ended in a crash with all inside dead or injured. These vehicles crash easily due to their shit handling and when they do - people die.
    avatar
    adder

    Posts : 4
    Points : 4
    Join date : 2015-12-01

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  adder Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:11 pm

    Don't forget the BTR80 in the convoy, if there was a loss of life. It would obliterated the Maxxpro mrap.
    Regular
    Regular

    Posts : 2432
    Points : 2416
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Western Hemisphere.. mostly

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Regular Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:20 pm

    adder wrote:Don't forget the BTR80 in the convoy, if there was a loss of life. It would obliterated the Maxxpro mrap.

    Could have happened, but not likely. I do believe russians show respectable restrain not to escalate this. It would probably go on as a car accident. As said before, MRAP would roll faster, this one in particular has a problem with rolling due to very high center of gravity. Tigr is heavy as well and is dangerous on high speeds, but not nearly as bad as this boat on wheels.
    George1
    George1

    Posts : 16613
    Points : 17118
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  George1 Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:06 pm

    Russian PMC "Wagner" will be engaged against Turkish army in Syria

    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 9250
    Points : 9353
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:20 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian PMC "Wagner" will be engaged against Turkish army in Syria

    Probably with an axe to grind given what happened to their mates on the other side of the Euphrates.
    miketheterrible
    miketheterrible

    Posts : 6135
    Points : 6111
    Join date : 2016-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:23 pm

    Wagner will need to have proper armor support and artillery with AD if they want to be effective. The Russians really need to start arming them with Iglas and Typhoons.
    Isos
    Isos

    Posts : 7878
    Points : 7862
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 am

    Thread with videos of russian Special forces in Syria released by MoD.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1232801938988765187
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 9250
    Points : 9353
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:06 pm

    SSO in action. Missile is the white spot in front of the target. In third picture new black object above explosion may be a body heading for its virgins. Better quality stills at link as well as video, last few seconds of clip.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1233075453105184769

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 ERzDcEdWoAIvucF?format=jpg&name=small

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 ERzDeFyXsAAs7JA?format=jpg&name=360x360

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 ERzDeFuWsAAPfhx?format=jpg&name=360x360
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior

    Posts : 819
    Points : 825
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:21 pm

    Frigate coming.

    https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1232953175818342400
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior

    Posts : 819
    Points : 825
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:30 am

    Some munitions HTS found in Saraqib. Interesting to notice RPO PDM-A Shmel-M RPG.

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1233091912745222146

    avatar
    Vann7

    Posts : 4990
    Points : 5096
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:24 am

    really troubling. if the information is true..

    social media is claiming Turkey air defenses across border are firing missiles at Russian airforce..
    the next link shows an Su-34 in action apparently trying to evade a missile.. which apparently dodge it..
    but if this is the new way Russian airforce needs to operate.. then Putin will need to think fast..
    and enhance the security of their bombers .. other wise will face a major backslash and 2-3 pilots killed ,
    which is what operates the bomber .

    http://avia-pro.net/news/tureckie-f-16-atakovali-rossiyskiy-su-34-video

    the experts claim is was not a manpad ,what target the plane.. but something much more powerful ,because
    the bomber was flying beyond manpad range and still had to flee from the zone ,after the attempt to shot it down.
    this major attempt to bring down a Russian plane was done likely in response to the turkey soldiers killed.


    Sponsored content

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13 - Page 39 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:36 pm