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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:35 am

    russia needs much bigger vehicles.. those jeeps are really bad choice for doing patrols in a war zone with many angry civilians.. can't protect their soldiers
    against mines.. and civilians can jump above the car and break its anthenas and equipment.. russia need bigger  transportation heavily armor cars ,that is not only strong against enemy fire and mines,but also  protect against civilians mobbing and standing on top of it..
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:58 am

    Vann7 wrote:russia needs much bigger vehicles.. those jeeps are really bad choice for doing patrols in a war zone with many angry civilians.. can't protect their soldiers
    against mines.. and civilians can jump above the car and break its anthenas and equipment.. russia need bigger  transportation heavily armor cars ,that is not only strong against enemy fire and mines,but also  protect against civilians mobbing and standing on top of it..

    You are missing a key point. Russia's plan is to not be in any of the areas where those risks occur, they only go where they are invited.

    Unlike the US who are often where they are nor wanted, hence the need for more and expensive protection.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:26 am

    Vann, what makes you think protesters can't climb on bigger vehicles?

    Are bigger vehicles better protected from land mines?

    I have seen Tiger tanks obliterated after running over a large mine... those US vehicles are not bigger and heavier than Tiger tanks...

    It doesn't matter what size a vehicle is... protesters can blind any vehicle with tins of paint and paint in spray cans... you can break small external components on any sized vehicle...

    If that is the problem then a RWS that has pepper spray and a rubber bullet projector makes sense but that is more for riots and police forces rather than an army...
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:22 am

    GarryB wrote:Vann, what makes you think protesters can't climb on bigger vehicles?

    Are bigger vehicles better protected from land mines?

    I have seen Tiger tanks obliterated after running over a large mine... those US vehicles are not bigger and heavier than Tiger tanks...

    It doesn't matter what size a vehicle is... protesters can blind any vehicle with tins of paint and paint in spray cans... you can break small external components on any sized vehicle...

    If that is the problem then a RWS that has pepper spray and a rubber bullet projector makes sense but that is more for riots and police forces rather than an army...


    i mean vehicles that are taller and difficult if not impossible to climb..
    the american trucks are much better for that job ,in civilians zones than the russian ones..
    since is very easy to climb on russian jeeps..  so an armored infantry carrier had to be designed
    for special missions ,when operating close to angry stone throwing /molotov civilians..that climb above their
    jeeps.. that will allow an infiltrated terrorist to deploy a bomb on top.. so that they don't climb about their jeeps as easily as already kurds did it on their tigers.

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    Post  Regular on Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:44 pm

    Are you all blind? That's IVECO LMV not Tigr.

    M-ATV family is much better than Humvee vehicle family.

    It's very decent vehicle, especially interesting is J-ATV platform. It's also air-droppable and has very good mobility for MRAP. M-ATV is also not the top of the line product, yet they are not crazy expensive or super sophisticated like their rivals in USA.

    Russia also has very good MRAP vehicles - US forces in Syria would wish to have vehicles like KAMAZ Typhoons. Russia soon will have quite decent MRAP fleet as well, the thing is - USA already have tons of vehicles ready at their disposal.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:25 am

    i mean vehicles that are taller and difficult if not impossible to climb..
    the american trucks are much better for that job ,in civilians zones than the russian ones..
    since is very easy to climb on russian jeeps.. so an armored infantry carrier had to be designed
    for special missions ,when operating close to angry stone throwing /molotov civilians..that climb above their
    jeeps.. that will allow an infiltrated terrorist to deploy a bomb on top.. so that they don't climb about their jeeps as easily as already kurds did it on their tigers.

    For an Army vehicle they just need a RWS with a rifle calibre machine gun... it wont matter how tall their vehicles are... people wont be climbing on them.

    Angry mobs disperse at the sound of gunfire...

    They wont do it twice... and once they do plant bombs on vehicles that is justification for machine gunning any large group of civilians near Army vehicles... lets be honest the only place this is relevant is in terrorist held areas of Syria where most of the civilian population is family to terrorists... just shoot them.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:44 pm

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/02/article/four-fsb-special-ops-troops-killed-in-syria-report/
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:56 am

    Neither the FSB nor the Defense Ministry have officially confirmed or denied reports of the four officers’ alleged deaths yet, the report said.

    Don't trust that source.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:31 am

    Fidan, head of Turkish intelligence, threatened with a repeat of the fate of Suleymani https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2852783.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:31 pm

    I know these are old pictures but I couldn't resist.

    These are the two sides at today's meeting in Moscow after the Turks said "Regime forces must withdraw to pre-operation positions"


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    Post  crod on Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I know these are old pictures but I couldn't resist.

    These are the two sides at today's meeting in Moscow after the Turks said "Regime forces must withdraw to pre-operation positions"


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    lol!
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:20 pm

    /snigger
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    So funny.... Laughing
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:36 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1230226284090974214

    US soldiers find their driving licences in kinder surprises. Russian should have shot at the vehicle as self defence.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:40 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1230226284090974214

    US soldiers find their driving licences in kinder surprises. Russian should have shot at the vehicle as self defence.

    Any, better yet, ram the MRAP as it's top heavy, it will flip.
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    Post  Regular on Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:57 pm

    Both of the retarded.

    Why would you overtake military convoy? Why would you ram? MRAP and Tigr could have ended in a crash with all inside dead or injured. These vehicles crash easily due to their shit handling and when they do - people die.
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    Post  adder on Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:11 pm

    Don't forget the BTR80 in the convoy, if there was a loss of life. It would obliterated the Maxxpro mrap.
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    Post  Regular on Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:20 pm

    adder wrote:Don't forget the BTR80 in the convoy, if there was a loss of life. It would obliterated the Maxxpro mrap.

    Could have happened, but not likely. I do believe russians show respectable restrain not to escalate this. It would probably go on as a car accident. As said before, MRAP would roll faster, this one in particular has a problem with rolling due to very high center of gravity. Tigr is heavy as well and is dangerous on high speeds, but not nearly as bad as this boat on wheels.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:06 pm

    Russian PMC "Wagner" will be engaged against Turkish army in Syria

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:20 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian PMC "Wagner" will be engaged against Turkish army in Syria

    Probably with an axe to grind given what happened to their mates on the other side of the Euphrates.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:23 pm

    Wagner will need to have proper armor support and artillery with AD if they want to be effective. The Russians really need to start arming them with Iglas and Typhoons.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:27 am

    Thread with videos of russian Special forces in Syria released by MoD.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1232801938988765187
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:06 pm

    SSO in action. Missile is the white spot in front of the target. In third picture new black object above explosion may be a body heading for its virgins. Better quality stills at link as well as video, last few seconds of clip.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1233075453105184769

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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:21 pm

    Frigate coming.

    https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1232953175818342400
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:30 am

    Some munitions HTS found in Saraqib. Interesting to notice RPO PDM-A Shmel-M RPG.

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1233091912745222146

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:24 am

    really troubling. if the information is true..

    social media is claiming Turkey air defenses across border are firing missiles at Russian airforce..
    the next link shows an Su-34 in action apparently trying to evade a missile.. which apparently dodge it..
    but if this is the new way Russian airforce needs to operate.. then Putin will need to think fast..
    and enhance the security of their bombers .. other wise will face a major backslash and 2-3 pilots killed ,
    which is what operates the bomber .

    http://avia-pro.net/news/tureckie-f-16-atakovali-rossiyskiy-su-34-video

    the experts claim is was not a manpad ,what target the plane.. but something much more powerful ,because
    the bomber was flying beyond manpad range and still had to flee from the zone ,after the attempt to shot it down.
    this major attempt to bring down a Russian plane was done likely in response to the turkey soldiers killed.


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