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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:07 pm

    Mmmmmmm


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    #RUAF VIP sortie Tu-154 85605 Chkalovsky-Ankara Tr. High echelon Russian military leaders having simultaneous visits to Turkey and Iran.



    Babak Taghvaee
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    BREAKING: Today, #Russia MOD has asked #Iran to provide access to #IRIAF's 3rd Tactical Fighter Base in #Hamedan to deploy its heavy bombers (probably Tu-22 or Tu-95), Il-78 tankers & use it as refuelling point for fighter jets which are planned to be deployed to #Syria soon!


    Babak Taghvaee
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    It is highly possible that #Iran Air Force refuse to grant access to #Russia Air Force for deploying its strike & strategic bombers to its 3rd Tactical Fighter Base in #Hamedan. Most likely Iran Air Defense Force will offer #RuAF, the ex-#IRIAF Air Base in #Omidiyeh,5th TFB again
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:18 pm

    Regular wrote:Why does Russia don't raise military readiness to RED on all territory? Especially on western district?

    I could be wrong but I thought that they already had done so in the Western District as part of showing the US that Russia is ready and willing to hit Ukraine hard in the event of a hit in Syria.

    If the West is determined to ostracise Russia then Russia has basically nothing to lose and a lot to gain by making a few strategic type moves.

    EDIT Yes got that wrong, this is the tweet I semi remembered


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    ALICE FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF A MIRROR: INTEL NOW SAYING EXPECT RUSSIAN STRIKE ON UKRAINE IF US STRIKES SYRIA. 77,000 Troops, 1,000 tanks, 2300 Armored Personnel carriers and 400+ pieces of self-propelled artillery within 60km of Russia/Ukraine border as of tonight.





    This is the Black Sea

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    Air Defense of Russian Black Sea Fleet has declared combat alert https://liveuamap.com/en/2018/10-april-air-defense-of-russian-black-sea-fleet-has-declared … via @AJABreaking #Syria #Ukraine
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    Post  Isos Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Regular wrote:Why does Russia don't raise military readiness to RED on all territory? Especially on western district?

    I could be wrong but I thought that they already had done so in the Western District as part of showing the US that Russia is ready and willing to hit Ukraine hard in the event of a hit in Syria.

    If the West is determined to ostracise Russia then Russia has basically nothing to lose and a lot to gain by making a few strategic type moves.

    EDIT Yes got that wrong, this is the tweet I semi remembered


    Lucifuge Rofocale
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    11h11 hours ago

    ALICE FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF A MIRROR: INTEL NOW SAYING EXPECT RUSSIAN STRIKE ON UKRAINE IF US STRIKES SYRIA. 77,000 Troops, 1,000 tanks, 2300 Armored Personnel carriers  and 400+ pieces of self-propelled artillery within 60km of Russia/Ukraine border as of tonight.





    This is the Black Sea

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    12h12 hours ago

    Air Defense of Russian Black Sea Fleet has declared combat alert https://liveuamap.com/en/2018/10-april-air-defense-of-russian-black-sea-fleet-has-declared … via @AJABreaking #Syria #Ukraine

    ABM site in Poland will be probably targeted too.
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:51 pm

    Isos wrote:
    ABM site in Poland will be probably targeted too.

    Yep...And ROmania too..

    If US attack Russia ,in Syria ,then it will be a declaration of limited war defacto, and Russia will try to take advantage.. of this attack to advance strategic moves in other places..to control major places, that NATO could
    use aside of Syria war.. SO NATO cannot deploy anymore near Russia borders.. and disable American Missile shield.
    in Eastern Europe. Also Russia navy could be demanded by Kremlin to secure the gateways of the baltic sea  and hit any NATO airbases in Baltics. So that Russian planes can't be hit from the baltics ,when traveling to kaliningrad..  and so that NATO can't lock Russia from access to Europe.

    and if things goes very bad Russia can take control of SOuthern Ukraine ,second half.. So that Russia can have air travel connection to central europe ,towards friendly nations.. all the way to germany borders. SO invasion of half of ukraine , and destroying american missiles in eastern Europe and control of baltic sea, by taking control of Islands there, to secure Russia control of the route towards kaliningrad.

    If Russia do this correctly ,it can do it with very little casualties.. since in Ukraine not many will want to continue forming part of Kiev.. If US use nukes against Russia in Europe.. then Russia can retaliate to US with nukes too in US.

    Naturally if US attacks Russia in Syria.. the world will be a very different place.. because the rules of engagement will be totally different for Russia.. and since US will be in a state of war..against Russia ,so and no longer Russia can allow American warships in any part of the baltics.. neither spy planes allowed to fly anywhere close baltics or any part of Russia territory. By taking control of second half of Southern Ukraine , Also Russia blocks US from entry in Ukraine ports.. and will allow to reroute Ukraine pipelines through southern Ukraine and all the way to central Europe,all the way to germany through friendly nations..  Eventually NATO will be split .. and Europe too.. and the world too.

    So if US attack Russia and defacto there will be limited war.. then Russia best options is to secure Russia strategic positions in Europe ,by securing routes and destroying US missiles there. and taking control of Ukraine or at least half of it..and create a new democratic state.


    If the West is determined to ostracise Russia then Russia has basically nothing to lose and a lot to gain by making a few strategic type moves.

    yep.. 100% true.. Russia have nothing to lose.. if war is already on them.. even if its limited war.. Russia can expand the limited war concept to Europe.. And Secure the routes to central Europe by taking Ukraine and secure the routes
    to Kalingrad by taking the gates of the baltics.. so that US no longer position on any place in central or Eastern Europe to target Russia.  One unfortunate casualty could be internet... censorship will happen ,and accusing Russia of being
    the aggressor and who started it all..

    a full scale nuclear war is still far off.. i dont see it happening..but a conventional war with limited use of nukes is possible..So is possible that the wars from Syria Russia can retaliate in eastern Europe in american positions and securing the routes to Germany and Central Europe. This could allow the option Russia to retake eastern Germany
    again ,and reverse most of the tactical advances of NATO in Europe.


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    Post  lycantrop Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:02 am

    JohninMK wrote:Mmmmmmm


    Air Force Freak
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    9h9 hours ago

    #RUAF VIP sortie Tu-154 85605 Chkalovsky-Ankara Tr. High echelon Russian military leaders having simultaneous visits to Turkey and Iran.



    Babak Taghvaee
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    BREAKING: Today, #Russia MOD has asked #Iran to provide access to #IRIAF's 3rd Tactical Fighter Base in #Hamedan to deploy its heavy bombers (probably Tu-22 or Tu-95), Il-78 tankers & use it as refuelling point for fighter jets which are planned to be deployed to #Syria soon!


    Babak Taghvaee
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    35m35 minutes ago

    It is highly possible that #Iran Air Force refuse to grant access to #Russia Air Force for deploying its strike & strategic bombers to its 3rd Tactical Fighter Base in #Hamedan. Most likely Iran Air Defense Force will offer #RuAF, the ex-#IRIAF Air Base in #Omidiyeh,5th TFB again

    Always be sceptical about  Babak Taghvaee´s tweets, he is often spreading utter BS
    I dont say he is 100% BS, but i would never follow him or repost his tweets.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:51 am

    Wow.. Putin is doubling down and in a full scale..
    Look how many warships are deployed of Russia in the mediterranean sea.. Shocked




    So if that warship donald Duck attack Syria could be facing a major massacre
    from Russia navy.. however Americans are also calling for many warships too..
    so the forces should be even.. not counting israel navy.

    Russia UN envoy is saying will be consequences if US attack Syria. and by the numbers
    of warships deployed  it looks like they are preparing for a major fight.. So Russia will not retreat
    without a good fight first .  Cool

    Interesting points discussed in the video ,some of them really shameful for Putin.
    Russia have a major issue with serial production of air defenses.. how could that be possible?
    Syria airdefenses are not free ,they pay for it.. but Russia defense Industry.. the people
    behind mass production should be fired... because they saying in times of this , to say that they don't
    have more missiles defenses to provide to Syria  in times Russia is facing a world war 3
    and Russian soldiers will need protection.. only because of Management incompetence in
    not creating a strong line of production for them.. So according to the author , they will not
    have any way to improve Syria air defenses for at least 1 year.. until they mass produce more. No

    Truly Putin is a great man.. and very patriotic .. i never though he was a coward.
    The only thing that annoy me is that he miss so many opportunities and he does not
    take seriously the emergency Russia is.... Russia should be having major production lines..
    building airdefenses 24 hours a day ,3 turns in several production lines.. as if their lives dependend of it..
    they could have helped to save many Syrians... if they had enough air defenses and modernized ones.

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    Post  Austin Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:37 am

    My thinking is for now if any strike is conducted on Syria then Russian action will be defensive like SAM and AAM.

    If post strike BDA puts Russian life lost in US Strike then Putin will think how to react to it.

    He will take his time to react for any offensive operation from Russian side
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:15 am

    Looks like Russia won't be sitting this one out....hopefully they mean it

    Breaking News: Any US missiles fired at Syria will be shot down, launch sites targeted – Russian envoy to Lebanon
    https://www.rt.com/news/423774-us-missiles-targeted-russia/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications
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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:29 am

    5 destroyers, 1 cruiser, 1 aircraft carrier, at least a couple virginia class subs, plus a seawolf, prob two ohios as well. Plus whatever the groupies UK and France throw in the bunch. That's a lot of firepower that will need to be matched in 4-5 days time.

    They'll need the Irarians. Which is why I say that Russia allowing Israel have a free playground against Iran is a MAJOR mistake. In the end, you'll need the Iranians on your side. The Israeli's are firm on the U.S/Syria regime change camp - never ever make the mistake to think otherwise and trust the fucking Israeli's.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:16 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:5 destroyers, 1 cruiser, 1 aircraft carrier, at least a couple virginia class subs, plus a seawolf, prob two ohios as well. Plus whatever the groupies UK and France throw in the bunch. That's a lot of firepower that will need to be matched in 4-5 days time.

    They'll need the Irarians. Which is why I say that Russia allowing Israel have a free playground against Iran is a MAJOR mistake. In the end, you'll need the Iranians on your side. The Israeli's are firm on the U.S/Syria regime change camp - never ever make the mistake to think otherwise and trust the fucking Israeli's.
    The carrier and its task group not expected in eastern Med until the 22/23rd so 9-10 not 4-5 days time. But they could launch attacks from half way across Med.
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    Post  Aristide Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:02 pm

    The comments here are funny to read.

    Russia has n economy smaller than South Korea, just to make this clear. Most of its military is rotting away.

    That said, no there wont be a war.

    We will bomb the shit out of Assads chemical depots and thats it.

    Looks like USA will concentrate on Syrian airports and our own air force will concentrate on Syrias chemical plants.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:09 pm

    lycantrop wrote:

    Always be sceptical about  Babak Taghvaee´s tweets, he is often spreading utter BS
    I dont say he is 100% BS, but i would never follow him or repost his tweets.
    Thanks for that comment, I had no idea. Just one more to poke a bit of fun.

    This is a tweet of his a short time ago today, the meeting took place but his comment? Great idea perhaps along the lines of "bring some SAMs to protect the base then leave them when you go home". But as you say probably only in his own mind as I doubt he has access to the closed door meeting minutes Smile

    BREAKING: Also discussed during closed-door & unexpected meeting of Alexander Lavrentiev, #Russia President #Putin's Envoy for #Syria with #Iran SNSC Secretary Rear Admiral Shamkhani in #Tehran yesterday. S-400 & Pantsir S2E SAM systems in exchange for access to #Iran air bases!


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:10 pm

    Russia's GDP PPP is 2x that of S. Korea.

    "Most of Russia's military is rotting away"... last 2.5 years have shown somethin to the contrary.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:21 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:

    Always be sceptical about  Babak Taghvaee´s tweets, he is often spreading utter BS
    I dont say he is 100% BS, but i would never follow him or repost his tweets.
    Thanks for that comment, I had no idea. Just one more to poke a bit of fun.

    This is a tweet of his a short time ago today, the meeting took place but his comment? Great idea perhaps along the lines of "bring some SAMs to protect the base then leave them when you go home". But as you say probably only in his own mind as I doubt he has access to the closed door meeting minutes Smile

    BREAKING: Also discussed during closed-door & unexpected meeting of Alexander Lavrentiev, #Russia President #Putin's Envoy for #Syria with #Iran SNSC Secretary Rear Admiral Shamkhani in #Tehran yesterday. S-400 & Pantsir S2E SAM systems in exchange for access to #Iran air bases!

    Iran should be ready to grant Russia full military access without any preconditions..

    If they have even the slightest concern for Syria's sovereignty and not to mention their own ass.

    They've haggling over it like a merchant selling Persian rugs; and they've chosen a hell of a time for it.
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    Post  Aristide Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:31 pm

    I dont know whats the fuss about?

    Our president said we will act. So France will definitly act. This doesnt involve Russia. We will traget chemical plants.

    Beside that it will be like always. When it gets serious, Russia sneaks out.
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    Post  starman Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:41 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Iran should be ready to grant Russia full military access without any preconditions..

    If they have even the slightest concern for Syria's sovereignty and not to mention their own ass.

    They've haggling over it like a merchant selling Persian rugs; and they've chosen a hell of a time for it.

    Iran should let the Russians in but you can't blame them for wanting to get as much out of this as possible. Not just advanced weapons but a promise to help defend Iranian air space should the treaty be dumped.
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    Post  Azi Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:41 pm

    Aristide wrote:I dont know whats the fuss about?

    Our president said we will act. So France will definitly act. This doesnt involve Russia. We will traget chemical plants.

    Beside that it will be like always. When it gets serious, Russia sneaks out.
    If russian servicemen will be hit Russia will retaliate fur sure! So let's hope western countries know what they are doin!!!
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    Post  starman Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:47 pm

    Aristide wrote:Our president said we will act. So France will definitly act. This doesnt involve Russia. We will traget chemical plants.

    You'd be well advised to stay out. Even if Assad used a little gas, it's none of your business. FYI Syria is a sovereign state so you, the US and Israel should just leave it alone.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:58 pm

    Aristide wrote:The comments here are funny to read.

    Russia has n economy smaller than South Korea, just to make this clear. Most of its military is rotting away.

    That said, no there wont be a war.

    We will bomb the shit out of Assads chemical depots and thats it.

    Looks like USA will concentrate on Syrian airports and our own air force will concentrate on Syrias chemical plants.

    France attacks Syria - we'll flush France's military down the toilet, if our leaders decide to man up that is (and they might well sneak out, you're right)

    US will be a much harder customer of course.
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    Post  Aristide Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:01 pm

    starman wrote:
    Aristide wrote:Our president said we will act. So France will definitly act. This doesnt involve Russia. We will traget chemical plants.

    You'd be well advised to stay out. Even if Assad used a little gas, it's none of your business.  FYI Syria is a sovereign state so you, the US and Israel should just leave it alone.

    We decide whats our business and what not.
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    Post  lulldapull Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:08 pm

    Syrian 'Chemical Plants'......you need to get off the Fox news and CNN kool aid there buddy......lol

    or is it the jihadi news you listening to?

    btw folks, the gloves seem to be coming off......the doofus in chief just tweeted that his attack is coming:

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201804111063437051-trump-us-russia-syria/

    Hopefully Russian AD system in Syria is fully operational.

    Aristide wrote:The comments here are funny to read.

    Russia has n economy smaller than South Korea, just to make this clear. Most of its military is rotting away.

    That said, no there wont be a war.

    We will bomb the shit out of Assads chemical depots and thats it.

    Looks like USA will concentrate on Syrian airports and our own air force will concentrate on Syrias chemical plants.
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    Post  Austin Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:15 pm


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    Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
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    Post  Kimppis Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:43 pm

    It got awfully quiet? Laughing

    Relax, atleast the "smart" part is somewhat engouraging. Smart = limited, probably, maybe, has to be.
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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:47 pm

    Kimppis wrote:It got awfully quiet? Laughing

    Relax, atleast the "smart" part is somewhat engouraging. Smart = limited, probably, maybe, has to be.

    They will hit desert, russia will say it destroyed 75% of the missile and they will keep like nothing happened just like last time. Both side have a lot to lose ...
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    Post  Kimppis Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:30 pm

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    Is he correct? Certainly some of those points can't actually be confirmed one way or another.

    Not to mention that actually hitting ships isn't/shouldn't be a priority (if shit really hits the fan), but the American/NATO bases in the region, so whatever. Obviously much easier to hit.

    Also: Interestingly, Trump's most recent tweet is kind of conciliatory, in a way. Trump blames his domestic opponents for this mess (partially) and he is of course correct. Russiagate in all of its forms is the biggest piece fake news in a very long time and that's really saying something, considering the MSM's overall Russia coverage.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984053549742067712

    Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!

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