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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:25 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:As stated in other threads even upgrades of old anti aircraft guns most of them sitting in storage would be sufficient with a few upgrades automatic radar guidance with proximity fuses are your sorted. Guns in mind

    Zpu-1/2/4
    Zu -23-2
    37mm 61-K
    57mm S-60
    85mm 52-k
    100mm ks-19 (15km ceiling height)
    130mm ks-30

    All could be based around what Iran did with ks-19 called Sa-ir for the 37mm and upwards equipment and anything below that like what they did with mesbah -1. Zu -23-2 has upgrades already with ZOM1 etc incorporating radar guidance and manpads together.

    Even the zsu 23-4M is good and the zsu -57-2 could have similar upgrades. Iran produced the bahman based on zsu-57-2 on a truck.

    By choosing these methods it uses up old equipment in stock, cheap to upgrade and make self propelled, and cheap ammo compared to missiles and the larger caliber stuff would actually be better due to options of making new ECM rounds and of course having more fragmentation and airburst range.  

    Of course if you have older missile systems in storage these could also be used or upgraded with ECM missiles. Can you imagine the size of the EMP a Sa-4 missile would create.

    Indeed.. old way anti air artillery but with automatic targeting through radars, deployed as close as possible to enemy positions is a cheap and very effective way to deal with the low level drones attacks... Gary was speaking about S-400s
    that will never be used against such drones.. and that 96 missiles pantsirs formation will be enough.. but He needs to understand this is not just terrorist what Russia is facing.. this attacks are all organized by the US military and NATO allies.. on Russia military base.. so they have endless resources to do an attack on Russia base with hundreds kamikazi cheap drones... and combined with long range artillery attacks. 50km. that they will claim Isis "learned how to build them in Syria desert". So Russia needs to be prepared for more attacks of NATO , camouflage as a "jihadist" attack.
    Why RUssia military base and planes is not protected in Syria with armed strong concrete buildings ,and stored inside to avoid any damage by low level artillery or drone attacks.. and their base not turned in to
    a artillery proof fortress should be the question. this time was a dozen of drones... and if Putin did not warn its enemies in NATO (though behind doors diplomatic channels) of major consequences for them and their military if their attack continues , then they will continue playing and trying to hit russia military base with anything..

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    Post  eehnie Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:As stated in other threads even upgrades of old anti aircraft guns most of them sitting in storage would be sufficient with a few upgrades automatic radar guidance with proximity fuses are your sorted. Guns in mind

    Zpu-1/2/4
    Zu -23-2
    37mm 61-K
    57mm S-60
    85mm 52-k
    100mm ks-19 (15km ceiling height)
    130mm ks-30

    All could be based around what Iran did with ks-19 called Sa-ir for the 37mm and upwards equipment and anything below that like what they did with mesbah -1. Zu -23-2 has upgrades already with ZOM1 etc incorporating radar guidance and manpads together.

    Even the zsu 23-4M is good and the zsu -57-2 could have similar upgrades. Iran produced the bahman based on zsu-57-2 on a truck.

    By choosing these methods it uses up old equipment in stock, cheap to upgrade and make self propelled, and cheap ammo compared to missiles and the larger caliber stuff would actually be better due to options of making new ECM rounds and of course having more fragmentation and airburst range.  

    Of course if you have older missile systems in storage these could also be used or upgraded with ECM missiles. Can you imagine the size of the EMP a Sa-4 missile would create.

    Very unlikely that Russia updates the weapons you mentioned in the list and the ZSU-57-2 because would be exhausted in Russia at this point. If there is some unit of them still, will go to Syria fast.

    The missiles of the SA-4 are also exhausted. In this case, if there is still some launcher stored that has not been canibalized to repair other systems using the same elements, it would be possible to see new missile design (missiles are ammunition) with a modern approach, for this system.

    Also it is possible the upgrade of the ZSU-23-4 and the SA-13 with Sosna missiles.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:33 pm

    Loaded to the gunwales, so another very heavy load to Syria, ammo I would think. We don't see them this low in the water that often.


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Interesting mix of bowsers (fuel/water?) and cargo trucks. Not sure of the 133 estimate.
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    Reinforcements to #Syria: Heavy with 133 Ural trucks, Russian goverment contractor, Panama flag RoRo Altay .........


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    This is one of those RoRo ships RU Navy leased from Turkey, right?

    Looks like they gave it fresh paintjob with Russian flag decal to boot, it used to look like this:
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:55 pm

    Nice. Interestingly with all that stuff on board she is still quite high in the water, empty trucks.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:06 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:As stated in other threads even upgrades of old anti aircraft guns most of them sitting in storage would be sufficient with a few upgrades automatic radar guidance with proximity fuses are your sorted. Guns in mind

    Zpu-1/2/4
    Zu -23-2
    37mm 61-K
    57mm S-60
    85mm 52-k
    100mm ks-19 (15km ceiling height)
    130mm ks-30

    All could be based around what Iran did with ks-19 called Sa-ir for the 37mm and upwards equipment and anything below that like what they did with mesbah -1. Zu -23-2 has upgrades already with ZOM1 etc incorporating radar guidance and manpads together.

    Even the zsu 23-4M is good and the zsu -57-2 could have similar upgrades. Iran produced the bahman based on zsu-57-2 on a truck.

    By choosing these methods it uses up old equipment in stock, cheap to upgrade and make self propelled, and cheap ammo compared to missiles and the larger caliber stuff would actually be better due to options of making new ECM rounds and of course having more fragmentation and airburst range.  

    Of course if you have older missile systems in storage these could also be used or upgraded with ECM missiles. Can you imagine the size of the EMP a Sa-4 missile would create.

    Very unlikely that Russia updates the weapons you mentioned in the list and the ZSU-57-2 because would be exhausted in Russia at this point. If there is some unit of them still, will go to Syria fast.

    The missiles of the SA-4 are also exhausted. In this case, if there is still some launcher stored that has not been canibalized to repair other systems using the same elements, it would be possible to see new missile design (missiles are ammunition) with a modern approach, for this system.

    Also it is possible the upgrade of the ZSU-23-4 and the SA-13 with Sosna missiles.

    First I wasn't refering to Russia specifically hence I never said so. Russia isn't the only country to have this equipment nor face the same threat. I took this comment from my other post on another thread. And wouldn't be surprised if some units of each were still sitting around maybe not in large numbers but possibly as spares pool for countries still using them. But the upgrades could be useful to countries who want anti drone systems without breaking the bank and using what is effectively outdated equipment.

    Yet again Armenia still stock a decent amount of sa-4 and lime said having launch vehicles making new missiles shouldn't be hard make it ECM missile and you have one hell of a pulse.

    Oh not sure why you put in brackets (missiles are ammunition) maybe you should re-read my post if you were trying to hint at something
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    Post  eehnie Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:43 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:As stated in other threads even upgrades of old anti aircraft guns most of them sitting in storage would be sufficient with a few upgrades automatic radar guidance with proximity fuses are your sorted. Guns in mind

    Zpu-1/2/4
    Zu -23-2
    37mm 61-K
    57mm S-60
    85mm 52-k
    100mm ks-19 (15km ceiling height)
    130mm ks-30

    All could be based around what Iran did with ks-19 called Sa-ir for the 37mm and upwards equipment and anything below that like what they did with mesbah -1. Zu -23-2 has upgrades already with ZOM1 etc incorporating radar guidance and manpads together.

    Even the zsu 23-4M is good and the zsu -57-2 could have similar upgrades. Iran produced the bahman based on zsu-57-2 on a truck.

    By choosing these methods it uses up old equipment in stock, cheap to upgrade and make self propelled, and cheap ammo compared to missiles and the larger caliber stuff would actually be better due to options of making new ECM rounds and of course having more fragmentation and airburst range.  

    Of course if you have older missile systems in storage these could also be used or upgraded with ECM missiles. Can you imagine the size of the EMP a Sa-4 missile would create.

    Very unlikely that Russia updates the weapons you mentioned in the list and the ZSU-57-2 because would be exhausted in Russia at this point. If there is some unit of them still, will go to Syria fast.

    The missiles of the SA-4 are also exhausted. In this case, if there is still some launcher stored that has not been canibalized to repair other systems using the same elements, it would be possible to see new missile design (missiles are ammunition) with a modern approach, for this system.

    Also it is possible the upgrade of the ZSU-23-4 and the SA-13 with Sosna missiles.

    First I wasn't refering to Russia specifically hence I never said so. Russia isn't the only country to have this equipment nor face the same threat. I took this comment from my other post on another thread. And wouldn't be surprised if some units of each were still sitting around maybe not in large numbers but possibly as spares pool for countries still using them. But the upgrades could be useful to countries who want anti drone systems without breaking the bank and using what is effectively outdated equipment.

    Yet again Armenia still stock a decent amount of sa-4 and lime said having launch vehicles making new missiles shouldn't be hard make it ECM missile and you have one hell of a pulse.

    Oh not sure why you put in brackets (missiles are ammunition) maybe you should re-read my post if you were trying to hint at something

    Neither I said that you was refering to Russia. I said that is unlikely that Russia does it (this topic is refered to Russia), because needs not it. If other countries whant to do something is their option.

    Also I need not re-read your post. The reference to missiles being ammunition was to say that the design of a new missile for the SA-4 would be to design new modern ammunition for an existing weapon, would be to design new modern ammunition compatible with an existing weapon. It would increase strongly the capabilities of the remaining units of the system. The design of new ammunition with improved features for existing weapons is nothing rare. If Russia keeps still some SA-4 launchers can do it.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:19 am

    As stated in other threads even upgrades of old anti aircraft guns most of them sitting in storage would be sufficient with a few upgrades automatic radar guidance with proximity fuses are your sorted. Guns in mind

    I appreciate what you are saying but new tends to be better...

    Instead of all sorts of upgrades and new ammo for old systems to bring them out of mothballs, why not develop new ammo and upgrades for existing and new gear to make it multifunctional.

    These airburst rounds for 30mm BTR-82 vehicles could easily be adapted for all 30mm cannon armed new and existing vehicles, and the same adapted to new 40mm grenade launchers and 57mm IFV guns, not to mention 152mm shells... you can use new or existing weapons and ammo rather than bringing back into service old obsolete ammo and weapons.

    You don't need a super high power computer to run a printer server... any old 486 would do that... but would you rebuild an old 486 computer and find parts and memory and components and software it could run for such a simple task?


    Bring old equipment out of mothballs to deal with a problem that might or might not pan out means new forces needed and more logistics to support old model weapons and vehicles.

    Instead if you develop new upgrades and new ammo for new and existing in service weapons you add a new capability... a claymore like air burst round would be useful for all sorts of targets and threats... a HE round that explodes amongst a group of targets or beyond, might not be as effective as a round that explodes forward as it approaches the target group...

    that will never be used against such drones.. and that 96 missiles pantsirs formation will be enough.. but He needs to understand this is not just terrorist what Russia is facing.. this attacks are all organized by the US military and NATO allies.. on Russia military base.. so they have endless resources to do an attack on Russia base with hundreds kamikazi cheap drones... and combined with long range artillery attacks. 50km. that they will claim Isis "learned how to build them in Syria desert". So Russia needs to be prepared for more attacks of NATO , camouflage as a "jihadist" attack.

    If that were the case then the solution is not lots of ZU-23s at each Russian base in Syria because they will target all bases whether there are Russians there or not.

    The solution is for Russia to send troops and aircraft back and claim the anti Assad forces are the real terrorists and they need to be removed and dealt with.

    Also it is possible the upgrade of the ZSU-23-4 and the SA-13 with Sosna missiles.

    Sosna missiles are small and light and relatively cheap and easy to mass produce... together with the HE model of Kornet it would be relatively cheap and easy to deal with a large number of threats.

    In fact they could get a few hundred Russian gamers there to control UAVs of their own armed with shotguns that could be used to chase down enemy UAVs and shoot them down from close range.... $50 for shotgun shells and maybe $200 for kerosene fuel... those gamers would probably pay you for the privilege...
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:30 am

    That maybe a joke garryb but I would imagine in the near future for cyber warfare and UAV it will exactly those computer gurus and gamers who will be recruited and won't be based on any physical fitness. And they would actually be good at it. Hell you could probably tell it was an actual computer game and not real warfare they would none the wiser lol. But unmanned seems to be the way everything is going eventually the armed forces will consist of skinny geeks and fat nerds and military parades will have no human insight just a robotic mechanical parade something like it came out of star wars lol
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    Post  calm Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:47 pm

    Russia is strengthening its Air Defence capabilities in Syria.

    2 batteries of S400 arrived to Syria today.



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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:41 pm

    Wonder where they are going, or is that just launchers or refills to add to an existing site. Maybe the rest is on another ship.

    It could be a possible fourth S-400/S-300 system in Syria, one at each of the airbase and port, one I seem to remember up in the hills (satellite pictures a few months back but no Russian acknowledgement of its existence) plus this one.

    EDIT: This looks to be an old stock video, as a minimum a month old. Maybe there will be a video one day of the new system, maybe not!

    https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/955780361375698944

    From the link


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    Maybe this is the video of one that arrived in Syria without media coverage and was found by satellite images on Hama/Tartous border. After all who knows what else Russia has there.

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    IF this video is recent, it was made in late December 2017. Yamal was last seen northbound on 1.1.2018 and did not go to the south since. But the clothing of the sailors doesn't look wintery. So I too think it is an old video from earlier months.

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    Yes, they are using stock footage. Nevertheless unseen ones. Shoigu said it today, so maybe we will see new video by MOD.
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    Post  auslander Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:56 am

    Four S400 launchers arrived in Syria lately, shown on TV in Sevastopol last evening. Two by ship, two by air, all 4 looked factory new.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:44 am

    That maybe a joke garryb but I would imagine in the near future for cyber warfar

    No joke... some rifle calibre machine guns and a few 12 gauge shotguns with an onboard auto belt feed and you could chase after enemy drones and shoot them down relatively cheaply.

    A cheap swarm drone wont have onboard sensors to detect a threat so even if they see you coming there would not be much they could do about it... the Serbs shot down UAVs in Kosovo simply by flying along side with a helo and shooting them down with machine guns out the side door... mounting them on a simple cheap UAV and giving some geek pilot real time control... normal radar could be used to detect targets and direct interceptor drones... close in from behind and as you are about to fly in to them blast them with 3-4 rounds of 12 gauge in buckshot or even a burst of 9mm SMG ammo or .22lr ammo... you don't need to blow it into tiny bits... just blow off a wing or damage its engine or prop and make it crash.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:45 pm

    On the latest shipment to Syria more trucks of various models Russia having a clear out there's even a single white UAZ 452 lol.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-russian-cargo-ship-loaded-military-equipment-sent-syria-gear-army-major-operations/
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    Post  eehnie Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:20 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:On the latest shipment to Syria more trucks of various models Russia having a clear out there's even a single white UAZ 452 lol.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-russian-cargo-ship-loaded-military-equipment-sent-syria-gear-army-major-operations/

    Nothing rare or wrong on it. They are very likely between the last units in the Russian Armed Forces of these models of trucks. It is very interesting to be able to identify them in the pictures, most of the times the pictures are not good enough. To see many types mixed and only a few units of every type is a sign that at this point only a few of them remain in Russia, and all would be decommissioned. It is possible that this is the last shipment of these types of trucks.

    This is how Russia is using its less modern and less capable material to win a war in Syria. Russia needs not upgrades or updates for them. In the following comments the people can find a reference of which material is exhausted in Russia, or will be exhausted very soon, in the refered to land and man-portable material:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186218
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186235
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4971p75-the-russian-military-automotive-fleet#205602
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#199589

    Despite the exhaustion of some material in Russia, Syria has alternative sources for the same types of Russian material. Like Afghanistan tend to be the country where all the oldest Western material from most of the continental platform of Asia tend to go, the less modern and less capable Russian material in most of the continental platform of Asia very likely tends to find its way to Syria.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#192471

    In the case of the L-39, almost certainly, every Syrian hull is being restored with Russian spare parts, but when the Syrian hulls be restored, very likely we will begin to see the help with entire aircrafts. In the future the help to Syria on air material will likely increase.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:14 am

    eehnie wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:On the latest shipment to Syria more trucks of various models Russia having a clear out there's even a single white UAZ 452 lol.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-russian-cargo-ship-loaded-military-equipment-sent-syria-gear-army-major-operations/

    Nothing rare or wrong on it. They are very likely between the last units in the Russian Armed Forces of these models of trucks. It is very interesting to be able to identify them in the pictures, most of the times the pictures are not good enough. To see many types mixed and only a few units of every type is a sign that at this point only a few of them remain in Russia, and all would be decommissioned. It is possible that this is the last shipment of these types of trucks.

    This is how Russia is using its less modern and less capable material to win a war in Syria. Russia needs not upgrades or updates for them. In the following comments the people can find a reference of which material is exhausted in Russia, or will be exhausted very soon, in the refered to land and man-portable material:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186218
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186235
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4971p75-the-russian-military-automotive-fleet#205602
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#199589

    Despite the exhaustion of some material in Russia, Syria has alternative sources for the same types of Russian material. Like Afghanistan tend to be the country where all the oldest Western material from most of the continental platform of Asia tend to go, the less modern and less capable Russian material in most of the continental platform of Asia very likely tends to find its way to Syria.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#192471

    In the case of the L-39, almost certainly, every Syrian hull is being restored with Russian spare parts, but when the Syrian hulls be restored, very likely we will begin to see the help with entire aircrafts. In the future the help to Syria on air material will likely increase.

    I never thought or said anything out of the ordinary or rare onboard although the white UAZ stuck out like a sore thumb its likely going to be used as ambulance or medical transport by civilian service  I still want to own one once I move back to Scotland.

    It's good that Russia is having a clear out nothing worse in letting equipment rot someone should be telling Belarus to do the same.

    I would imagine some trucks might even end up with some sort of anti aircraft or artillery gun on them the rest will be logistics. Although we still don't know what is below deck.

    But I would imagine once the conflict is largely over the SAA won't be short of equipment even if it soviet era with upgrades. Russia has enough in storage to give Libya the same treatment if it so wished. And I would imagine that some certain equipment may still be held for a potential eastern Ukraine offensive but will likely be newer equipment. You might even find that mig-29m2 that Syria wanted might be delivered along with yak -130  and old stock
    mi-8, mi-24, Su-24, mig-29 and possibly su-27 will be delivered once it's stabilised in the country as current aircraft in syrian service is on its last legs with the amount of action they have seen. A possible credit agreement for a small amount of Su-30 might happen but it would likely be a very long pay back period. But it's more likely su-27 would be offered instead.
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    Post  eehnie Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:37 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:On the latest shipment to Syria more trucks of various models Russia having a clear out there's even a single white UAZ 452 lol.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-russian-cargo-ship-loaded-military-equipment-sent-syria-gear-army-major-operations/

    Nothing rare or wrong on it. They are very likely between the last units in the Russian Armed Forces of these models of trucks. It is very interesting to be able to identify them in the pictures, most of the times the pictures are not good enough. To see many types mixed and only a few units of every type is a sign that at this point only a few of them remain in Russia, and all would be decommissioned. It is possible that this is the last shipment of these types of trucks.

    This is how Russia is using its less modern and less capable material to win a war in Syria. Russia needs not upgrades or updates for them. In the following comments the people can find a reference of which material is exhausted in Russia, or will be exhausted very soon, in the refered to land and man-portable material:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186218
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186235
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4971p75-the-russian-military-automotive-fleet#205602
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#199589

    Despite the exhaustion of some material in Russia, Syria has alternative sources for the same types of Russian material. Like Afghanistan tend to be the country where all the oldest Western material from most of the continental platform of Asia tend to go, the less modern and less capable Russian material in most of the continental platform of Asia very likely tends to find its way to Syria.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#192471

    In the case of the L-39, almost certainly, every Syrian hull is being restored with Russian spare parts, but when the Syrian hulls be restored, very likely we will begin to see the help with entire aircrafts. In the future the help to Syria on air material will likely increase.

    I never thought or said anything out of the ordinary or rare onboard although the white UAZ stuck out like a sore thumb its likely going to be used as ambulance or medical transport by civilian service  I still want to own one once I move back to Scotland.

    It's good that Russia is having a clear out nothing worse in letting equipment rot someone should be telling Belarus to do the same.

    I would imagine some trucks might even end up with some sort of anti aircraft or artillery gun on them the rest will be logistics. Although we still don't know what is below deck.

    But I would imagine once the conflict is largely over the SAA won't be short of equipment even if it soviet era with upgrades. Russia has enough in storage to give Libya the same treatment if it so wished. And I would imagine that some certain equipment may still be held for a potential eastern Ukraine offensive but will likely be newer equipment. You might even find that mig-29m2 that Syria wanted might be delivered along with yak -130  and old stock
    mi-8, mi-24, Su-24, mig-29 and possibly su-27 will be delivered once it's stabilised in the country as current aircraft in syrian service is on its last legs with the amount of action they have seen. A possible credit agreement for a small amount of Su-30 might happen but it would likely be a very long pay back period. But it's more likely su-27 would be offered instead.

    In overall terms the material used in the war of Donbass was in the following technological step, in part because of the technological level of the Ukranian Armed Forces. From the T-64, BTR-60 and BMD-1 to up. It was present something older or less capable, but was an exception, and was almost certainly material captured to Ukraine.

    The fact that the war of Syria begins before made that most of the less modern, less powerful and less capable material was reserved to help to Syria and excluded of Novorussia.  

    Until recently it has not been easy to understand well the procedures of the last decommission wave of Russia of around 2010, because the wars in Syria and Donbass affected strongly to the final destiny of many weapons. The plan announced then, would be finished today, except in the case of the T-64, that would remain stored still in important numbers.

    But despite to have all this less modern, less powerful and less capable material exhausted in Russia, the country is not in a hurry to begin to provide more modern material to Syria like T-64. As commented, there is many of the same types of weapons in most of the continental platform of Asia finding its way to Syria. The war in Syria will be long still and very likely will finish the less modern, less powerful and less capable part of the Sovietic material and ammunition in the arsenals of the countries of the continental platform of Asia, to the East of Russia, Belaruss, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Iran (except South Korea).

    What to expect:
    - Ammunition.
    - Spare parts.
    - Be-6/12: If seems that there is still some reserve of use in the last units of this aircraft. After some fast adaptation, likely to go as help to Syria.
    - T-64: This is a weapon of good level to go to Syria, underperforming for other scenarios. It seems not necessary still, but ready to go.
    - L-39: Russia very likely will continue with the help.
    - (M)T-12: This is a weapon of good level to go to Syria, underperforming for other scenarios. It seems not necessary still, but ready to go.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:26 am

    The added advantage of sending older equipment to Syria is that it is generally simpler and easier to maintain so should probably last better with harsher treatment.

    It should be perfectly functional and rather useful to those who would otherwise have nothing.

    It will also free up storage space in Russia for newer items to go into storage.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:57 pm

    The trucks just keep on coming. Interesting mix on this trip. Plus what's on the lower deck.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:15 pm

    Su-25 got hit by AA fire. It is safer to use artillery and UCAV rather than manned planes.

    https://twitter.com/NorthernStork/status/959117595126329344
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:23 am

    Can't remember seeing full body armour like this in Syria before. He must be in a hot spot.


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    #Russia|n SSO officer in #Syira armed with #Steyr SSG 08 and holstered #Yarygin (6P35) sidearm, standing next to a tripod mounted Hensoldt (ex-Zeiss) x20-60 spotting scope. Note helmet mounted GoPro HERO5 and Petzl Strix w/ visible & IR light modes.


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    Post  Guest Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:10 am

    eehnie wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:On the latest shipment to Syria more trucks of various models Russia having a clear out there's even a single white UAZ 452 lol.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-russian-cargo-ship-loaded-military-equipment-sent-syria-gear-army-major-operations/

    Nothing rare or wrong on it. They are very likely between the last units in the Russian Armed Forces of these models of trucks. It is very interesting to be able to identify them in the pictures, most of the times the pictures are not good enough. To see many types mixed and only a few units of every type is a sign that at this point only a few of them remain in Russia, and all would be decommissioned. It is possible that this is the last shipment of these types of trucks.

    This is how Russia is using its less modern and less capable material to win a war in Syria. Russia needs not upgrades or updates for them. In the following comments the people can find a reference of which material is exhausted in Russia, or will be exhausted very soon, in the refered to land and man-portable material:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186218
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186235
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4971p75-the-russian-military-automotive-fleet#205602
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#199589

    Despite the exhaustion of some material in Russia, Syria has alternative sources for the same types of Russian material. Like Afghanistan tend to be the country where all the oldest Western material from most of the continental platform of Asia tend to go, the less modern and less capable Russian material in most of the continental platform of Asia very likely tends to find its way to Syria.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#192471

    In the case of the L-39, almost certainly, every Syrian hull is being restored with Russian spare parts, but when the Syrian hulls be restored, very likely we will begin to see the help with entire aircrafts. In the future the help to Syria on air material will likely increase.

    UAZ 452 is everything but rare in Russian armed forces. There are thousands still in use. Its variants were procured even last few years.
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    Post  Guest Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:12 am

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    LaVictoireEstLaVie wrote:In face of continued US aggression and provocations in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, what will Russia and the rest of the world do to confront this aggressor ?

    Will they sit idly by and let the US continue to do what it wants without consequences or will Russia and its allies finally act to confront , oppose, defy and necessarily defeat the aggressor?

    Russia will do smart thing and will look after their own interests and security and let Middle East, Europe and rest of the world look after themselves.

    If someone has issues with USA aggression then they should deal with it themselves.

    Russia has it's own stuff to do, days of USSR charity services are long gone, not that anyone ever shown any gratitude for it... (And why should they? Sheep are meant to be sheared)

    Can we ban this troll already?

    Says the ultimatewarrior. lol1
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    Post  Guest Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:13 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 13 Forpost

    http://in24.org/world/30302?utm_source=warfiles.ru
    This is the israeli model of UAV that Russia is operating, if I'm not wrong.

    Yes, Russian built version of the Searcher II

    Ukraine is not the main responsible under these attacks. They would do it before in Novorussia

    The type of explosive used in the drone munitions is not widely available. It's produced in Ukraine among a few other places hence they suspect it might have been supplied from there....but yeah, no definite proof so far

    I prefer term "Russian assembled". Its Russian built as much as Fiat is Serbian built.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:42 am

    Apparently a good portion of it's components are indeed made in Russia. Not just assembled. Like Ford engines and various car parts use actual Russian components. But, of course the company part of agreements had to choose location of were parts come from, etc.

    I know you think Russia does not produce electronic parts, or parts for anything and just assembles everything and imports everything.  But you are too far behind in the times.  May have been the case 10 years ago, not now.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russia-developing-unmanned-forpost-m-435419/

    Dubbed Forpost-M, the design will carry some Russian-developed payloads and datalinks. Russian sources say that some local companies have already received work orders to supply the required systems, and indicate that the United Instrument Making Corporation Rostek will be the lead contractor.

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