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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

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    Post  calm Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:47 pm

    Russian military builds new runway in east Syria as ISIS flees Mosul

    HOMS, SYRIA (10:00 P.M.) - The Russian Air Force has built a new runway at the T-4 Military Airport in eastern Homs after reports of several Islamic State fighters fleeing the large Iraqi city of Mosul for Syria. Prior to the Islamic State's massive counter-offensive in the Al-Sha'er region of east Homs, the Russian Air Force was actively using the T-4 Military Airport as a command center to advise the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in the area. However, due to the increased security risks near the T-4 Airport, the Russian military advisors moved their command post to Palmyra and most of their aircraft to the Hmaymim Airport in west Latakia. With ISIS fleeing Mosul for eastern Syrial, the Russian Air Force has made the decision to beef up their air presence around the Deir Ezzor Governorate in anticipation for this influx of terrorists. wrote:

    Tiyas Military Airbase
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:47 pm


    Meanwhile in Norwegian Sea...

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    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/84968/
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    Post  eehnie Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:25 am

    Some people tend to consider the war in Syria as a high technological level war, and the war in Donbass as a low technological level war.

    I agree not. For me in the war in Syria we see how the weapons in the front line are of lower technological level than in the war in Donbass. In adition to it high level technologies are used in both wars but the type of weapons used is different. While in the war of Donbass we see high technology applied mostly to the defense, in the war of Syria high level technologies are applied for the attack.

    The war in Syria is long and requieres many warfare and ammunition. In the side of the Syrian government, Russia is the main supplier and after some years of fight surely the stores of the Syrian Armed Forces are in low leve. Surely this war should mean the end in the Russian Armed Forces of some of the oldest and of lower technological level warfare.

    One example of all it, is the towed weapons (artillery and anti aircraft). The models used in Syria are fairly of lower technological level than the used in Donbass in overall terms. The technological floor is lower in Syria while the intensity of the conflict and the needs of replacement for the loses and the wasted ammunition are bigger.

    With the needs of both wars, and after the recent decommission wave of 2010-2013 and the scrapping effort done until 2015, I think the image of old storage places in Russia with warfare and ammunition in poor condition are history. In fact all it should mean the end in the Russian inventaries of the:

    203mm 1955 B-4M
    152mm 1937 ML-20
    160mm 1949 M-160
    130mm 1953 M-46
    152mm 1943 D-1
    152mm 1954 D-20
    122mm 1940 M-30
    057mm 1950 S-60
    023mm 1960 ZU-23-2
    082mm 1970 Vasilek

    Likely most of them are finished in Russia at this point, despite to be discussed still by sources like The Military Balance. The alone not finished surely are the ZU-23-2 and the Vasilek, which should follow the rest in the short term as they are easily replaceable.

    It seems that the Russian supplies on towed weapons until now have not been limited to these models. It is likely to continue, and to see more units of more modern models of towed weapons (which are the main towed weapons that have been used in Donbass):

    152mm 1975 Giatsint-B
    120mm 1986 Nona-K
    122mm 1960 D-30
    100mm 1961 (M)T-12
    152mm 1987 Msta-B

    Also in the side of the less modern weapons, I would not be surprised if Syria has some supplies of:

    Su-25
    BM-21


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:57 am

    Fun map out of the US. No overlay for the S-400 sited a bit further east.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:52 pm

    Good to see with a bit of realism at the end.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Russian military is mostly focused on possible attempts by Daesh militants to escape the Iraqi city of Mosul and head toward Syria, General Valery Gerasimov said.

    "Our main focus is on the militants' possible attempts to escape from Mosul or by agreement freely leave the city in the direction of Syria," Gerasimov said. He also said that Moscow hopes the US-led coalition understands the impact of Daesh militants' escape from Mosul. "One must not chase the terrorists from one country to another but destroy them on the spot."

    "We monitor the situation round the clock in the Mosul area and the course of the operation to block Daesh militants in the city. Space reconnaissance devices have been redirected there, more than 10 of our aerial reconnaissance equipment are also working in close proximity to the area, including unmanned vehicles."

    General Valery Gerasimov stressed that, despite Western media hype, the campaign to retake Mosul from the terrorist group has not yet formally begun.


    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610191046495749-russia-mosul-monitoring/
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    Post  calm Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:57 pm


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    Post  par far Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:07 pm

    calm wrote:
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    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

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    calm wrote:

    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.

    They are coming from Severomorsk, that is next to Norway. Nowhere near Black Sea.



    Also, this pic has been making rounds, taken by Royal Navy:
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:39 pm

    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:
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    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.

    Montreux headache.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:41 pm

    par far wrote:
    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.
    Could I respectfully refer you to an atlas.

    Whilst the Swedish Vikings might have been able to haul their boats over the mountains to get to the Black Sea, I am not sure that the current crop of RuN sailors would be able to do so with theirs.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:45 pm

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    Montreux headache.
    Not correct. Non of the Fleet fall foul of the regulations, apart perhaps from any submarines with it.

    There is no aircraft carrier in the fleet, only a missile cruiser with an aircraft capability. A bit like having a large helicopter deck Laughing
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Montreux headache.
    Not correct. Non of the Fleet fall foul of the regulations, apart perhaps from any submarines with it.

    There is no aircraft carrier in the fleet, only a missile cruiser with an aircraft capability. A bit like having a large helicopter deck Laughing

    Yet there is a clear headache about the carrier group rolling around. The Kuz overhauls were done up north, makes sense to have them go through Gib.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:53 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Montreux headache.
    Not correct. Non of the Fleet fall foul of the regulations, apart perhaps from any submarines with it.

    There is no aircraft carrier in the fleet, only a missile cruiser with an aircraft capability. A bit like having a large helicopter deck Laughing

    Yet there is a clear headache about the carrier group rolling around. The Kuz overhauls were done up north, makes sense to have them go through Gib.
    Not sure what you are getting at. The only realistic, and certainly shortest by thousands of miles, way is via Gib.

    And yes, the carrier group is causing all kinds of fun and games. I just hope, as I have said, that its speed and activities are such that it passes Dover on a clear day in daylight.
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    Post  par far Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.
    Could I respectfully refer you to an atlas.

    Whilst the Swedish Vikings might have been able to haul their boats over the mountains to get to the Black Sea, I am not sure that the current crop of RuN sailors would be able to do so with theirs.


    I thought that all of the ships going to Syria would be located in the Black sea, anyway that is a long way.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:59 pm

    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.
    Could I respectfully refer you to an atlas.

    Whilst the Swedish Vikings might have been able to haul their boats over the mountains to get to the Black Sea, I am not sure that the current crop of RuN sailors would be able to do so with theirs.


    I thought that all of the ships going to Syria would be located in the Black sea, anyway that is a long way.
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    Post  par far Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Would it not be easier to go through the Black Sea through the Bosphorus strait and to the Mediterranean Sea to the Syrian coast. Or this is being done to piss off NATO and to see the reaction of NATO.
    Could I respectfully refer you to an atlas.

    Whilst the Swedish Vikings might have been able to haul their boats over the mountains to get to the Black Sea, I am not sure that the current crop of RuN sailors would be able to do so with theirs.


    I thought that all of the ships going to Syria would be located in the Black sea, anyway that is a long way.
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    Not too long LOL. Anyone if the fighters jets on Admiral Kuznetsov, will be used against the terrorists, in far East Syria?
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    Post  calm Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:20 pm

    is this allowed?
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:23 pm

    par far wrote:

    Not too long LOL. Anyone if the fighters jets on Admiral Kuznetsov, will be used against the terrorists, in far East Syria?
    Highly unlikely, they can't carry the fuel/weapons load from the carrier ski-jump that aircraft from a runway can. They may go for a visit out of curiosity.

    Anyway no need to send them that far, they will have plenty to keep them busy in the west. They could always shadow the Tornados out of Akrotiri if they wanted some fun.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Montreux headache.
    Not correct. Non of the Fleet fall foul of the regulations, apart perhaps from any submarines with it.

    There is no aircraft carrier in the fleet, only a missile cruiser with an aircraft capability. A bit like having a large helicopter deck Laughing

    Yet there is a clear headache about the carrier group rolling around. The Kuz overhauls were done up north, makes sense to have them go through Gib.
    Not sure what you are getting at. The only realistic, and certainly shortest by thousands of miles, way is via Gib.

    And yes, the carrier group is causing all kinds of fun and games. I just hope, as I have said, that its speed and activities are such that it passes Dover on a clear day in daylight.

    The question was asked why the Ship didn't cross the Bosphorus. I said even if they could, the Montreux would be an headache and frankly in these times, they just made peace with Turkey, it would be a bit offending to have a whole war party going down there. If Turkey wasn't a party in the war , then maybe it wouldn't be a problem. Sometimes you need to show some tact.

    Just follow the discussion. Also a non-carrier that has a typical carrier group...let's agree to disagree.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:12 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Montreux headache.
    Not correct. Non of the Fleet fall foul of the regulations, apart perhaps from any submarines with it.

    There is no aircraft carrier in the fleet, only a missile cruiser with an aircraft capability. A bit like having a large helicopter deck Laughing

    Yet there is a clear headache about the carrier group rolling around. The Kuz overhauls were done up north, makes sense to have them go through Gib.
    Not sure what you are getting at. The only realistic, and certainly shortest by thousands of miles, way is via Gib.

    And yes, the carrier group is causing all kinds of fun and games. I just hope, as I have said, that its speed and activities are such that it passes Dover on a clear day in daylight.

    The question was asked why the Ship didn't cross the Bosphorus. I said even if they could, the Montreux would be an headache and frankly in these times, they just made peace with Turkey, it would be a bit offending to have a whole war party going down there. If Turkey wasn't a party in the war , then maybe it wouldn't be a problem. Sometimes you need to show some tact.

    Just follow the discussion. Also a non-carrier that has a typical carrier group...let's agree to disagree.
    Not sure where we disagree. To ensure compliance with the letter of the Convention, Moscow was very careful from before she was built to make sure that the Kuznetsov was never officially called a 'aircraft carrier' but a heavy cruiser (hence the unusual design with missiles) just so that she could get into the Black Sea. I suspect that after the spell off Syria she might well go home via Crimea. It would be a wasted opportunity to poke Kiev/NATO if she didn't.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Montreux headache.
    Not correct. Non of the Fleet fall foul of the regulations, apart perhaps from any submarines with it.

    There is no aircraft carrier in the fleet, only a missile cruiser with an aircraft capability. A bit like having a large helicopter deck Laughing

    Yet there is a clear headache about the carrier group rolling around. The Kuz overhauls were done up north, makes sense to have them go through Gib.
    Not sure what you are getting at. The only realistic, and certainly shortest by thousands of miles, way is via Gib.

    And yes, the carrier group is causing all kinds of fun and games. I just hope, as I have said, that its speed and activities are such that it passes Dover on a clear day in daylight.

    The question was asked why the Ship didn't cross the Bosphorus. I said even if they could, the Montreux would be an headache and frankly in these times, they just made peace with Turkey, it would be a bit offending to have a whole war party going down there. If Turkey wasn't a party in the war , then maybe it wouldn't be a problem. Sometimes you need to show some tact.

    Just follow the discussion. Also a non-carrier that has a typical carrier group...let's agree to disagree.
    Not sure where we disagree. To ensure compliance with the letter of the Convention, Moscow was very careful from before she was built to make sure that the Kuznetsov was never officially called a 'aircraft carrier' but a heavy cruiser (hence the unusual design with missiles) just so that she could get into the Black Sea. I suspect that after the spell off Syria she might well go home via Crimea. It would be a wasted opportunity to poke Kiev/NATO if she didn't.

    I suspect they will take part in Drills with the Egyptians and might get through the Red Sea and towards India. Touch down in Iran in between. Then who knows Liaoning, Kuz side by side... many pants on fire in Washington.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:15 pm

    The gloves are really off here, talk about putting the boot in. This looks like a classic 'don't lie if the facts could appear' situation. My highlight. Panic in Brussels?

    The Russian Defense Ministry will unveil flight path details of the Belgian Air Force jets at the time of the deadly strike on a village near Aleppo in Syria, Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Thursday. "Russia has effective air defense means to maintain round the clock monitoring of the air situation over almost entire Syria. Besides us, Syrian air defense systems that have been restored over the past year control the airspace. Not to be unfounded, today we will present information about the flight route and the actions of the Belgian Air Force and US Air Force aircraft in Syrian airspace on October 18," Konashenkov said. The Russian Defense Ministry vowed to present detailed information about the operation of Belgian F-16 jets over Syria to Belgian authorities.

    The Belgian defense minister is either purposefully misleading the international community or the Belgian Defense Ministry jointly with the United States is deceiving the country’s authorities, Konashenkov said. "Either Steven Vandeput is purposefully misleading the Belgian and the international community, or his subordinates jointly with their US colleagues are deceiving the authorities of the Kingdom of Belgium."

    The Russian Defense Ministry said that two aircraft that took off from an airfield in Jordan belonged to the Belgian Air Force. "The aircraft that took off from Salti [Al-Azraq] airbase in Jordan have been immediately identified to be F-16, and their affiliation was established as that of the Belgian Air Force." He specified that Russia registered the takeoff of the jets from Jordan at 01:34 a.m. based on its unique characteristics. At 02:37 a.m. the Belgian jets entered the Syrian airspace. At 03:10 a.m. the F-16 flew 80 km north-east of Raqqa. Afterward, the ministry spokesman said the F-16s patrolled the vicinity of Azaz. "At 03:55 a.m. local time the jets carried out a strike on the Kurdish village of Hassajek in the Aleppo province. As a result of the bombing, two houses were destroyed, six people killed and four wounded in various degrees of severity," Konashenkov added.

    At 07:25 a.m. the Belhian F-16 jets left Syrian airspace. "I repeat one more time, these are facts based on data of means of objective control." He emphasized that this the US-led coalition bombs civilians. "This is not the first time the US-led coalition carries out strikes on civilians, while completely denying being guilty for it." "Weddings, funerals, hospitals, police stations, convoys, and even Syrian troops who fight against Daesh terrorists in Deir ez-Zor have been struck."

    The US side did not notify Russia of the flight of Belgian aircraft on October 18, when Hassajek village was bombed, Konashenkov said. "During exchange of information to avoid air incidents, American colleagues usually inform us about planned flights over Syria. However, we have not received any notification about the Belgian jets' flight on October 18," Konashenkov said. Russian and Syrian combat aircraft did not conduct sorties in the area, the general said. The Russian center for Syrian reconciliation said it had received local reports of an airstrike by Belgian F-16 fighter jets on Kurdish positions in the village of Hassajek. Neither Russian, nor Syrian aircraft were in the area, while the Belgian defense minister dismissed claims of responsibility.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610201046541500-russia-syria-belgium/
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:42 pm

    Lovely infographic but not quite correct and way out of date. The fleet is now off Hull not Aberdeen and there is only one RN frigate not two. The second destroyer is HMS Duncan and she is already with the Kuznetsov group.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:53 pm

    You have to question what planet this guy is on sometimes. My highlight.

    NATO is concerned that the Russian carrier group in the Mediterranean may be used to strengthen its military actions in Syria and in particular in Aleppo, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Thursday.

    The naval group of Russia’s only aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov set sail last Saturday for the eastern Mediterranean from the Northern Fleet’s home base of Severomorsk in northwestern Russia. Its expected passage through the English Channel put the Royal Navy on alert.

    "Russia of course has the right to operate in international waters, and this is not the first time we’ve seen this carrier group being deployed in the Mediterranean … But what creates concern now is that this carrier group may be used to contribute to military operations over Syria and be used to increase attacks on Aleppo," Stoltenberg told a press conference.


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