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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

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    Post  Vann7 15/10/16, 12:47 pm

    Erk wrote:
    calm wrote:

    That video spends most of it's  time showing pictures of bad things which Russia is alleged to have done, and no time showing what really happened, all it does is reinforce a negative image of Russia in Syria. This is exactly what I was complaining about earlier with respect to bad RT videos, they have lost control of the narrative and are showing more anti-Russian footage when they should be neutral and informative. There are some good front line videos from Murad Gazdiev who spells things out clearly, but most of the other RT videos on Syria do more harm than good.

    Here is a video by Murad Gazdiev in Aleppo a week ago.


    ACtually is very good.

    It shows ,that NATO and western media HIDE /PROTECT Alqaeda  by not mentioning
    There are a quarter of millions civilians prisoners of the Rebels they backup. And it is very
    very important.. to every day , let the world know ,that NATO backed Rebels have hostages
    a quarter million civilians in eastern Aleppo and that NATO refuse any measure to negotiate the civilians to leave or Alqaeda to leave to any zone they prefer. So NATO wants civilians and Alqaeda together ,this is the moral of the story .and claims that no fighting them is the "way to peace".  So is a Bogus policy ,and fraudulent too.

    So the liberation of eastern Aleppo by Syrian government, will expose NATO as a criminal institution ,because those 250,000 civilians there will talk.. and will be questioned if there were moderates there..but Alqaeda, and thats when Obama ,Cameron,Boris Johnson and Hollande will have to explain the world ,why they were sponsoring Terrorist Groups that have hostages hundred of thousands civilians in Aleppo? it will be also totally embarrasing for NATO if those civilians they claimed Russia bomb.. thanks Russia for their liberation. Wink

    So what this dangerous scandal that will happen means?
    1)That all those 250,000 Civilians will have to be killed by NATO  or
    2)That they will need to launch a very urgent assault on eastern Alleppo using ISIS ,to open the Syrian army siege. To remove all the civilians secretly from there. and kill them all ,so they dont speak.

    So i will not be surprised of major chemical weapons attacks happens in a matter of weeks or days against Aleppo citizens (because those civilians know too much about the nature of NATO backed Rebels) ,and Syria and Assad blamed for it.and Russia for supporting them.

    So be ready for a new Low of US ,UK and France. in Syria.
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    Post  PapaDragon 16/10/16, 12:39 am

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    Post  calm 16/10/16, 06:13 am

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    Post  calm 16/10/16, 07:48 am

    ka-52 Shaer gas field
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    and... Suspect
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    Post  PapaDragon 16/10/16, 08:45 am


    You should maybe mark that last video as NSFW just in case.

    Sand absorbed all the blood so it's pretty clean but you still have some John Carpenter style holes on those stiffs.
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    Post  OminousSpudd 16/10/16, 09:24 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    You should maybe mark that last video as NSFW just in case.

    Sand absorbed all the blood so it's pretty clean but you still have some John Carpenter style holes on those stiffs.
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    Post  calm 16/10/16, 12:52 pm

    Shaer Suspect ?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe 16/10/16, 02:01 pm

    calm wrote:Shaer Suspect ?
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10 - Page 15 Cuvwl0MWYAAfIAK

    Polite cancer removers are also present in Aleppo and Latakia.
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    Post  franco 17/10/16, 12:59 am

    Interesting read on what the Russian advisers have to deal with. And even today after more training is put into these units, there are still only about half a dozen that would be rated excellent and another half a dozen rated good out of about 40 regiments / brigades. These are the units that are used to spearhead operations. The others just support or hold the lines.

    https://en.ria.ru/middleeast/201610161046382998-syria-battle-aleppo/
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    Post  calm 17/10/16, 01:47 am

    A lot of #RuNavy movement going on
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy 17/10/16, 06:41 am

    1) Hague Tribunal - how it comes that Russia obeys or defends its rights under this tribunal? wft? Chinese dealt with funny tribunal the right way. "democratic" Yeltsin constitution?


    2) How change situation after fall of Aleppo? chase with US aggressors to Raqqa?





    Kerry admitted the possibility of the introduction of new sanctions against Russia because of the situation in Syria

    http://www.interfax.ru/world/532731






    calm wrote:A lot of #RuNavy movement going on
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    interesting is that some missile boats from BSF were transfered to Syria...they have only ASch misisles not for land attacks. Peter the Great also has 20 big argument against Ac groups not land attack.



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    Post  Isos 17/10/16, 07:03 am

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    Russian plane spotted. 2 more Syrian air force Il-76 are there one in Syria and other one on Iran. In the north of Allepo an unindentfied plane is going at 100knt speed, maybe a drone.
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    Post  calm 17/10/16, 11:41 am

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    Post  franco 17/10/16, 01:24 pm

    So what happens to the new found Russian Turkish "partnership" when their cronies attempt to attack Aleppo?

    "EuphratesShield rebels release statement after capturing Dabiq, says they will now move towards Aleppo city"

    "Both the Turkish FM & the Presidency spokesperson say that al-Bab will be Euphrates Shield's goal after capturing Dabiq"
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    Post  VladimirSahin 17/10/16, 02:14 pm

    franco wrote:So what happens to the new found Russian Turkish "partnership" when their cronies attempt to attack Aleppo?

    "EuphratesShield rebels release statement after capturing Dabiq, says they will now move towards Aleppo city"

    "Both the Turkish FM & the Presidency spokesperson say that al-Bab will be Euphrates Shield's goal after capturing Dabiq"

    2 problems with this

    1. ISIS won't give up Al-Bab easily

    2. Aleppo will be red before Al-Bab can be taken

    I wish luck to the rebels if they think they can re-take Aleppo after it is taken.
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    Post  PapaDragon 18/10/16, 02:15 am

    franco wrote:So what happens to the new found Russian Turkish "partnership" when their cronies attempt to attack Aleppo?

    "EuphratesShield rebels release statement after capturing Dabiq, says they will now move towards Aleppo city"

    "Both the Turkish FM & the Presidency spokesperson say that al-Bab will be Euphrates Shield's goal after capturing Dabiq"

    They will receive Rheinmetall blessing from VKS and Sultan will be apologizing on the phone to Moscow in a jiffy.

    Unless they ask Sultan for permission first in which case he will have them committed to loony bin. I think Rejep has learned his lesson. Money talks.
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    Post  JohninMK 18/10/16, 04:34 am

    The Syrian Express seems to be back up to full speed now that the Autumn exercises are over and the crews have had a rest. Much tonnage of useful stuff heading south.

    Plus the Zuznetsov will be fully loaded with all the stuff they wanted to get rid of from the ammo dumps up north along no doubt with some new stuff they want to test. Whatever it is its many hundreds of tons that the Express didn't have to carry.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy 18/10/16, 05:50 am

    The EU has threatened to equate Russia airstrikes in Aleppo for war crimes


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/532848
    Moscow. 17 Oct. INTERFAX.RU - air Strikes of Russian aviation and Syria for Aleppo can be regarded as war crimes, says the statement adopted on Monday a communiqué of the EU Council on the results of the meeting in Luxembourg.

    "Deliberate attacks on hospitals, medical workers, schools and basic infrastructure, as well as the use of barrel bombs, cluster bombs and chemical weapons (in Aleppo - "if") can constitute war crimes," - said in the text of the document.

    The European Union issued a strong condemnation of the military actions of the Syrian army and its allies against the civilian population of Syria and the humanitarian organizations working in the country.

    "The EU strongly condemns the excessive and disproportionate attacks by the regime (of Bashar al-Assad - if) and its allies as a deliberate and indiscriminate against civilians, humanitarian and medical workers and civilian and humanitarian infrastructure", - said in a communique.

    The document also calls for the Syrian government to "stop the indiscriminate aerial bombardment".

    The communiqué also noted that the perpetrators of the attack on 19 September on a humanitarian convoy of the United Nations for Aleppo must be brought to justice.


    London found no evidence


    Earlier it was reported that the British foreign Ministry in response to the request of the Russian Embassy said that London has no evidence of intentional infliction of Russian air force strikes on civilians in Aleppo.

    Last week, Johnson condemned the strikes on hospitals in Syria, as well as the attack on the humanitarian convoy of the UN, stressing that "all available evidence points to the fact that for this crime the responsible Russia." The head of the British foreign Ministry also saidthat opponents of the war in Syria needs to arrange a demonstration at the Russian Embassy in London.


    so who first will take Putin to jail? Lithuanian Army? Duthc Army or Ukrop fascist scum? Of course no US/British can be ever brought to justice for war crimes.
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    Post  eehnie 18/10/16, 06:21 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The EU has threatened to equate Russia airstrikes in Aleppo for war crimes


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/532848
    Moscow. 17 Oct. INTERFAX.RU - air Strikes of Russian aviation and Syria for Aleppo can be regarded as war crimes, says the statement adopted on Monday a communiqué of the EU Council on the results of the meeting in Luxembourg.

    "Deliberate attacks on hospitals, medical workers, schools and basic infrastructure, as well as the use of barrel bombs, cluster bombs and chemical weapons (in Aleppo - "if") can constitute war crimes," - said in the text of the document.

    The European Union issued a strong condemnation of the military actions of the Syrian army and its allies against the civilian population of Syria and the humanitarian organizations working in the country.

    "The EU strongly condemns the excessive and disproportionate attacks by the regime (of Bashar al-Assad - if) and its allies as a deliberate and indiscriminate against civilians, humanitarian and medical workers and civilian and humanitarian infrastructure", - said in a communique.

    The document also calls for the Syrian government to "stop the indiscriminate aerial bombardment".

    The communiqué also noted that the perpetrators of the attack on 19 September on a humanitarian convoy of the United Nations for Aleppo must be brought to justice.


    London found no evidence


    Earlier it was reported that the British foreign Ministry in response to the request of the Russian Embassy said that London has no evidence of intentional infliction of Russian air force strikes on civilians in Aleppo.

    Last week, Johnson condemned the strikes on hospitals in Syria, as well as the attack on the humanitarian convoy of the UN, stressing that "all available evidence points to the fact that for this crime the responsible Russia." The head of the British foreign Ministry also saidthat opponents of the war in Syria needs to arrange a demonstration at the Russian Embassy in London.


    so who first will take Putin to jail? Lithuanian Army? Duthc Army or Ukrop fascist scum? Of course no US/British can be ever brought to justice for war crimes.

    While I'm very cold with the behaviour of the EU political leaders, to put the words of a UK minister as supposed spokesperson of the EU is a bad joke... The UK is out...
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    Post  JohninMK 18/10/16, 07:43 am

    eehnie wrote:

    While I'm very cold with the behaviour of the EU political leaders, to put the words of a UK minister as supposed spokesperson of the EU is a bad joke... The UK is out...
    Sadly not out yet, still in that blood sucking organisation for another couple of years at least.
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    Post  eehnie 18/10/16, 07:48 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    While I'm very cold with the behaviour of the EU political leaders, to put the words of a UK minister as supposed spokesperson of the EU is a bad joke... The UK is out...
    Sadly not out yet, still in that blood sucking organisation for another couple of years at least.

    They are out enough to be not in condition to act as spokesperson of the EU. In this case they are out for the good of the EU.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy 18/10/16, 08:01 am

    Talking about war crimes lol! lol! lol!

    UK troops to be protected from 'spurious legal claims'


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37544280


    Legal measures to protect UK troops from "spurious" claims of misconduct have been unveiled by the government.
    The change in policy, announced at the Conservative conference, would mean parts of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) could be suspended during future conflicts.
    Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said the legal system had been abused "to falsely accuse our armed forces".
    The MoD has spent more than £100m on Iraq-related claims since 2004.
    Speaking at the Tory conference in Birmingham, Mr Fallon said: "This is not about putting our armed forces above the law, they wouldn't want that. They have to comply with the criminal law of this country and, of course, with the Geneva conventions.
    "Serious claims must be investigated, but spurious claims will be stopped and our armed forces will now be able to do their job fighting the enemy and not the lawyers."

    Follow text and video updates from the Conservative Party conference
    Two separate inquiries are currently examining about 2,000 allegations against troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Much of the litigation comes from claims under the ECHR, the government said.
    The changes would mean that in future conflicts, subject to a vote of both Houses of Parliament, the UK would "derogate" from Article Two (right to life) and Article Five (right to liberty) of the ECHR.
    Troops would still be subject to other articles of the convention, including a prohibition on torture, and the changes would not affect retrospective cases.

    Media captionThe defence secretary explains how troops will be protected from "vexatious" legal claims
    Prime Minister Theresa May told BBC Breakfast: "What we've seen is a whole industry of lawyers chasing after our troops and trying to bring claims against them, many of which are vexatious claims, and we want to put an end to that."
    The former Conservative Attorney General Dominic Grieve welcomed the proposal, but said it was not a "magic formula" which would suddenly ensure British military personnel would not face claims in future.
    'Absurd'

    Conservative MP and former Army officer Thomas Tugendhat told Radio 4's Today programme the government was "restoring the appropriate law".
    "To do otherwise would be to equate the beaches of Normandy to downtown Brighton and that would be absurd," he said.
    But human rights lawyer Jocelyn Cockburn disagreed, telling Today she didn't think the government's decision would "protect soldiers from allegations of abuse".
    She said the ability to suspend certain parts of the ECHR was "not a new or novel thing", and reiterated certain elements of the convention would still apply.

    One example, she said, enabled lawyers to continue to pursue ongoing cases against the MoD in which it was accused of "failing to protect the right to life of soldiers by supplying inadequate equipment".
    'Undermining soldiers'
    There has been criticism of the scale of claims lodged using legal aid with the Iraq Historic Allegations Team (IHAT), which was set up to examine serious accusations following the 2003 invasion.
    The team, headed up by former senior civilian police officer Mark Warwick, has considered at least 1,514 possible victims - of whom 280 are alleged to have been unlawfully killed.
    The claims range from ill-treatment during detention to assault and death by shooting.
    One of the most famous cases to be disproved was based on accusations that up to 20 Iraqis were killed and mutilated after a 2004 battle.
    This led to the £34m Al-Sweady inquiry in 2014, which ruled the allegations were "deliberate lies" based on "reckless speculation".
    But a number of cases have also been found to have merit - and in September, a judge condemned four UK soldiers who "forced" an Iraqi boy into a canal and let him drown.

    The planned crackdown has been criticised by Lt Col Nicholas Mercer, the former chief legal adviser for the Army in Iraq, who said it was wrong "simply to polarise it as money-grabbing lawyers".
    "There are plenty of us who have raised our concerns without any financial motive at all, if indeed the other lawyers have got a financial motive," he said in January.
    "The government have paid out £20m for 326 cases to date. Anyone who has fought the MoD knows that they don't pay out for nothing."
    It was also recently revealed that an independent policing unit set up to investigate alleged war crimes by British troops in Afghanistan had received around 600 complaints.
    The cases being probed are said to include that of a Taliban bombmaker who claims his arrest and detention was illegal.
    The move was welcomed by Reg Keys, whose 20-year-old son Tom was killed while guarding a police station in Iraq in 2003.
    He has been involved in a campaign against the legal cases, and said: "I would like to think that those already under threat of prosecution will be looked at again".
    For Labour, shadow defence secretary Clive Lewis said: "Michael Fallon's speech was a smokescreen, designed to deflect from the Tories legacy of failure on defence.
    "The reality is their devastating cuts since 2010 have weakened and demoralised our Armed Forces, leaving them poorly-equipped, over-stretched, under-paid and too often living in squalid conditions."
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    Post  PapaDragon 18/10/16, 08:56 am


    Actually passable article by BBC:

    Russia and the West: Where did it all go wrong?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37658286
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy 18/10/16, 09:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Actually passable article by BBC:

    Russia and the West: Where did it all go wrong?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37658286

    to me very much western BS. Russia is main block to build world govt. Too many nukes to take Russia down by force. Since collapse of USSR all sudden Chechnya insurgency, Iraq till Syria wars wa sone and same- let US to live on behalf of other nations.

    As VVP recently said: Russia was good when Yeltsin capitulated and was giving one by one all from Russia away. But during aggression against Serbia Primakov turned plane over Atlantic was first signal to start new war against Russia.
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    Post  franco 18/10/16, 12:14 pm

    We do not beat on weddings and funeral processions. Each stroke is recorded flight recorder and unmanned aircraft - said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy.

    The statement was made at a press briefing in response to numerous reports in the West that the Russian Aerospace forces during anti-terrorist operations in Syria allegedly used outdated munitions have indiscriminate effects. And this leads to numerous victims among the civilian population, including in Aleppo Syria.

    Aircraft aerospace Russian forces applied to single point strikes exclusively on pre-verified goals is the Syrian city of Aleppo and outside the areas of residential development, the general said Rudskoy. He also said that in Syria a multilevel intelligence system that provides reliable detection and defeat militants purposes. And it eliminates attacks against civilian objects.

    Russian air operation in Syria against terrorists showed that our military used precision-guided weapons. This ensures that the air strikes are exclusively military targets militants. To date committed more than ten thousand sorties and destroyed more than thirty thousand objects terrorists. The fighting in Syria is deeply involved modernized Su-25SM. Aircraft equipped with a new sighting and navigation system "Leopard", and equipment for use with the GLONASS satellite navigation system. It is possible to achieve high precision shooting even unguided rockets and missiles use a laser seeker - Kh-25ML and Kh-29L.

    If the Su-25 attack planes have extensive front-line experience, the Su-34 bombers were used in combat for the first time. It is the only aircraft in the world, combining the possibility of a bomber, fighter and interceptor. It can be used as a spy plane.

    The Su-34 has a powerful radar with a phased antenna array, complex electronic reconnaissance, jamming and creating jamming. The Su-34 has an internal laser television-sighting system "Sycamore" to the bottom of the fuselage, which provides high accuracy as when using svobodnopadayuschih and corrected air bombs.

    It is worth remembering that a group of Su-34 more October 1, 2015 destroyed the command post of the LIH, banned in Russia, and struck in the camp of training militants in Raqqa province. As a result, strikes bombers all the targets were hit.
    The Su-34 is a laser sighting system "Sycamore", which provides high precision bombs

    Already on October 2nd of the same year, using the corrected bombs, Su-34 destroyed another terrorist buried command post. A concrete-October 3 bombs BETAB-500, dropped from the Su-34, was completely destroyed by another secure command post of one of the groups of terrorists, as well as an underground bunker-fuel storage and munitions. In general, in October 2015 the Su-34 bombers struck by terrorist infrastructure is one of the most serious impacts of high-precision all-time performance of our aviation anti-terrorism mission in Syria.

    In particular, October 15, in the province of Damascus was destroyed by anti-aircraft missile system "Osa", previously captured by terrorists "Islamic state" from the Syrian army. Such complexes are dangerous not only for the military, but also civil aviation, since the height of the actions of their missiles few kilometers. "Wasp" was in a well-protected concrete shelter. But guided aerial bombs KAB-500S was hovering right on target, destroying the solid walls of the shelter and destroyed a rocket launcher.

    Against the most important and protected objects of the terrorists with the Su-34 are used particularly powerful polutoratonnye guided aerial bombs KAB-1500.

    According to the Defense Ministry, as well as from public sources it is known that in Syria with the Su-34 aircraft used responsive bombs KAB-500S with satellite-guided KAB-500Kr with television-correlation seeker, KAB-1500LG-Pr with a penetrating warhead and a laser gyro-stabilized seeker.

    The real surprise was the use of Russian military cruise missiles "Caliber". For overseas there was confidence that the high-precision cruise missiles with a range of more than a thousand kilometers in Russia simply does not have.

    And when the grouping of the Caspian flotilla as part of a missile ship "Dagestan" and three small missile ships "Grad Sviyazhsk", "Great Ustyug" and "Uglich" from the region in the south-western part of the Caspian Sea produced launch 26 missiles on October 7, 2015 night 3M-14 "Caliber-NK" at a distance of over 1500 kilometers on 11 objects "Islamic state" in the three provinces of Syria - Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo, it has become a worldwide sensation. Objects missile strikes were factories for the production of projectiles and explosives, command posts, ammunition depots, weapons and fuel and lubricants, as well as terrorist training camps.

    In the same part of the four ships of the Caspian Flotilla November 20, 2015 hit 18 missiles 3M-14 "Caliber-NK" on the 7 objects terrorists in the provinces of Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo.

    Then start "Caliber" of various modifications were made to other ships, submarines and strategic bombers, submarines. And all of them were beaten to the point.

    Of course, in any war, mistakes are possible, and even blows on her. There's even a term "losses from friendly fire." However, when it comes to Syria, it strikes at the civilian population and civilian objects simply excluded. Firstly, using only the most modern high-precision weapons and the most advanced aiming systems for unguided bombs and rockets. Secondly, strikes are only after a thorough investigation and follow-up exploration. In Syria, our military is not seven times, measure before the strike, but seventy-seven, checking their intelligence with data derived from other sources.

    If Russian weapons to beat "in milk", and even more so in the civilian population, would not there have been very serious changes in the global arms market. Assessing the use of Russian military equipment and a wide variety of weapons in a real war, arms importers in the world have turned to Russia. The price of our arms, and literally and figuratively took off. Naturally, this could not cause a corresponding reaction in the US and Europe, who considered themselves the most important players on the world arms market.

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