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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9
OminousSpudd- Posts : 933
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9
OminousSpudd Tue 23 Aug 2016, 21:30
PapaDragon- Posts : 12451
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One year on, Russia's war in Syria is hardly the predicted 'quagmire'
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2016/0822/One-year-on-Russia-s-war-in-Syria-is-hardly-the-predicted-quagmire
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PapaDragon wrote:JohninMK wrote:Good analysis of the Russian move in and out of Iran. Looks like pretty nimble footwork by Moscow again.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/08/deciphering-russian-withdrawal-from.html
Nimble footwork, need for which was cause entirely by Iranian stupidity.
I don't buy this article for a second. Iran wanted VKS to defy Darvinian laws and keep their morons on the ground alive but got cold feet and came up with some BS story about Russia disrespecting them and not keeping deployment of full sized strategic bombers a secret.
Or maybe they got butthurt because Turks got their heads out of their asses and started talking to Russia again. Legendary mid-east pettiness.
We still have morons here like Vann who keep ranting about how Russia should deploy ground troops in this swamp and ''solve this for good''. With morons like SAA and Iran on your side it would be ''perfect''.
I believe that Russia's decision to keep the military footprint here to bare minimum will go down in history as smartest and most intelligent decision ever made by any middle eastern player.
Russia alrady achieved 90% of it's objectives here so what needs to be done now is to detach Latakia and Damascus and create independent state of Do What You Are Fucking Told.
Assad should suffer skiing accident so someone not retarded could take over.
East Syria can burn for next several decades which should keep the local morons busy. VKS can use that region for target practice from time to time just to make sure no unauthorized pipelines get built.
Kurds should be served to Turks on the silver platter. After the bullshit Kurds pulled of recently there is no need whatsoever to keep them alive. I detest Turks but at least dealing with them has potential for monetary benefit if nothing else. And we all know Turks will not pass up opportunity to tweak those rats.
As for Iran I am sure their air force is ready to enter the fray with zeal and bring instant victory to their cause. They are probably on their way now as we speak.
I do not agree. Russia did in this case what they wanted to do, not more, not less. Iran too. Irak too. And many people was surprised.
Turkey is not a fiable partner for Russia, and Russia knows it. Turkey also is not a fiable partner for the US. Amazing position. Just what Turkey deserves.
Russia will not serve the Kurds to the Turks, because the Turks do not deserve it, and because Russia has a benefit with the weaknes of Turkey, a country that has been working against the interest of Russia as example with the TAKM and with the GUAM.
Vann7- Posts : 5409
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People should not panic about Russia and IRAN over the airbase use.
The iranian Constitution does not allow the hosting of any foreign military base ,
and the more fanatic islamic opposition of the Government in IRAN is trying to create
an issue ,over nothing. Since to bypass the Iranian constinution limitations , Russia is simply
refueling in that base.. Bomb in Syria and return to Russia. So the base is used temporarily for refueling only and only in special missions. So there is nothing to look here.. other than the Opposition to Iranian government seeking to create a controversy over nothing.
The only thing that is worry about Syrian war lately is the RUmors and claims of some Syrian sources of a major split between Syrian army and Syrian kurds in some zones. and battles.
And the block of supplies routes by kurds to Syrian Army. But official sources have deny about
any war going on between Syria and Kurds. In fact Syrian Airforce deny any claim of Americans blocking them over flying over any airspace in Syria.
The second thing that is worrysome is Erdogan double speaking. He says something in words but in actions he could do something else. But so far no major game changing thing happening.
Other than China announcing a major direct role ,of some "Training " to Syrian army.
In reality China what i think is happening or China must do ,should be sending there Special forces a few of them , to get experience in fighting terrorism with Syrian army. This is something i will be SHOCKED if China was not doing. CHina needs experience in modern combat that they seriously lack and Syria is the best battlefield in the world to fight NATO future proxy wars.. where they aid terrorism to over run governments.
The battles in Syria are simply full speed quick attacks lead by waves of suicide bombers, where they are used as human cruise missiles. Very effective if not stopped fast , in opening zones heavily defended.
By the way .. i was not aware of Russia FAB -3000 bombs.. is that something new?
The biggest ones i was aware were the FAB-1500 with 1500 kg explosive warhead.
The iranian Constitution does not allow the hosting of any foreign military base ,
and the more fanatic islamic opposition of the Government in IRAN is trying to create
an issue ,over nothing. Since to bypass the Iranian constinution limitations , Russia is simply
refueling in that base.. Bomb in Syria and return to Russia. So the base is used temporarily for refueling only and only in special missions. So there is nothing to look here.. other than the Opposition to Iranian government seeking to create a controversy over nothing.
The only thing that is worry about Syrian war lately is the RUmors and claims of some Syrian sources of a major split between Syrian army and Syrian kurds in some zones. and battles.
And the block of supplies routes by kurds to Syrian Army. But official sources have deny about
any war going on between Syria and Kurds. In fact Syrian Airforce deny any claim of Americans blocking them over flying over any airspace in Syria.
The second thing that is worrysome is Erdogan double speaking. He says something in words but in actions he could do something else. But so far no major game changing thing happening.
Other than China announcing a major direct role ,of some "Training " to Syrian army.
In reality China what i think is happening or China must do ,should be sending there Special forces a few of them , to get experience in fighting terrorism with Syrian army. This is something i will be SHOCKED if China was not doing. CHina needs experience in modern combat that they seriously lack and Syria is the best battlefield in the world to fight NATO future proxy wars.. where they aid terrorism to over run governments.
The battles in Syria are simply full speed quick attacks lead by waves of suicide bombers, where they are used as human cruise missiles. Very effective if not stopped fast , in opening zones heavily defended.
By the way .. i was not aware of Russia FAB -3000 bombs.. is that something new?
The biggest ones i was aware were the FAB-1500 with 1500 kg explosive warhead.
Resistance- Posts : 318
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I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey and the US tricked Russia together. Turkey and the US make a fake coup, leak something for Russia to find in advance, Russia warn Erdogan thinking the coup is real, Erdogan easily survives coup, Russia thinks Erdogan is grateful to Russia for saving him, Erdogan makes a fake deal with Russia, bomb YPG and Turkey will stop backing jihadists, when in fact, if Russia bombs YPG, full war with Kurds, YPG will be destroyed, SAA will be destroyed, Turkey backed jihadists take over Syria. This isn't the first time Russia got tricked. Remember USSR. Remember Yugoslavia. Remember Ukraine. Remember Libya. Remember Iraq. Remember Syria. Russia must know the coup in Turkey is a ploy of the US and Turkey to trick Russia make Russia bomb YPG and end up losing Syria to Turkey and US backed jihadists.
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The biggest ones i was aware were the FAB-1500 with 1500 kg explosive warhead.
Then you need to look up the FAB-3000, FAB-5000, and FAB-9000 and of course the FOAB.
FAB being the code for High explosive aerial bomb, and the number is roughly the weight of the bomb in kgs.
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Russia is acting too weak too cowardly. Turkey just sent huge army into Syria. Where is Russia army in Syria? Russians are too cowardly and cannot stand a single casualty. This supposed to be the grandchildren of those who beat Nazis.
If Russia does not defend Syria's sovereignty, then don't expect anyone to defend Russia's sovereignty when NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand along with pro west Russian traitors invade Russia.
And don't expect Russia will be able to use nuclear weapons to defend itself.
If Russia does not defend Syria's sovereignty, then don't expect anyone to defend Russia's sovereignty when NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand along with pro west Russian traitors invade Russia.
And don't expect Russia will be able to use nuclear weapons to defend itself.
sepheronx- Posts : 7552
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Resistance wrote:Russia is acting too weak too cowardly. Turkey just sent huge army into Syria. Where is Russia army in Syria? Russians are too cowardly and cannot stand a single casualty. This supposed to be the grandchildren of those who beat Nazis.
If Russia does not defend Syria's sovereignty, then don't expect anyone to defend Russia's sovereignty when NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand along with pro west Russian traitors invade Russia.
And don't expect Russia will be able to use nuclear weapons to defend itself.
4 aircrafts striking from Turkey and 5000 Terrorists (FSA/Nusra) isn't a huge force of Turkey. Actually, the terrorists they are using isn't Turkish soldiers. But I do agree with one thing, Russia fucked up and so did Syria. After the downing of the Su-24, Russia should have pushed a no fly zone of their own and increase number of aircraft into Syria, then told Turkey and US to Fuck off. They didn't now there is a huge problem for Syria and Russia coming their way.
Tactical nuclear weapons are in their doctrine to use in a large fight, so maybe won't use ICBM's but will use nukes and they are showing they will defend themselves, hence Crimea. But at same time too, their showing of weakness now will only give an ego trip to the US that may prove fatal for millions in Russia and Europe.
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Resistance wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey and the US tricked Russia together. Turkey and the US make a fake coup, leak something for Russia to find in advance, Russia warn Erdogan thinking the coup is real, Erdogan easily survives coup, Russia thinks Erdogan is grateful to Russia for saving him, Erdogan makes a fake deal with Russia, bomb YPG and Turkey will stop backing jihadists, when in fact, if Russia bombs YPG, full war with Kurds, YPG will be destroyed, SAA will be destroyed, Turkey backed jihadists take over Syria. This isn't the first time Russia got tricked. Remember USSR. Remember Yugoslavia. Remember Ukraine. Remember Libya. Remember Iraq. Remember Syria. Russia must know the coup in Turkey is a ploy of the US and Turkey to trick Russia make Russia bomb YPG and end up losing Syria to Turkey and US backed jihadists.
I told myself, I will not respond to trolls but I will bite, Russia knows Erdogan is a snake and he will stick it in, the first chance, he gets, so Russia will never trust Erdogan but Russia will use Erdogan. And Russia will never bomb the YPG because they know that will be a big fuck up and why would Russia even think about bombing the YPG, when Russia is pushing for the YPG, to be included in, the peace talks, while the US and Turkey and other NATO, assholes are saying no.
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Resistance wrote:Russia is acting too weak too cowardly. Turkey just sent huge army into Syria. Where is Russia army in Syria? Russians are too cowardly and cannot stand a single casualty. This supposed to be the grandchildren of those who beat Nazis.
If Russia does not defend Syria's sovereignty, then don't expect anyone to defend Russia's sovereignty when NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand along with pro west Russian traitors invade Russia.
And don't expect Russia will be able to use nuclear weapons to defend itself.
Russia is not cowardly, they are being smart(there is a difference between cowardly and being smart, Russia is being smart here because they know that that the US wants Russia to commit ground troops in Syria and Ukraine). I don;t know how many facts you know about this war but Russia has had 6-7 casualties(there are probably more, that are not being reported), RIP to the Russian heroes who have died in Syria.
Russia is defending Syria's sovereignty, if not for Russia, Syria would have collapsed a long time a go.
If Russia has to defend itself, then you can bet your ass, they will use nuclear weapons.
And you also commented on Russia "being kicked out of Iran's airbase", it is something you will not understand, it is called politics. By pulling it's Air Force out Iran(which is temporary and Russia can go in whenever they like), Russia and Iran, are sending a message, that they want to de-escalate the Situation in the Middle East but they can respond any time, if the US escalate's the situation.
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Will you all stop replying to troll retard?
Russia's job is not to defend Syria. That is SAA's job.
SAA is too incompetent to do their job.
Iran does not have balls to protect it's interests and expects someone else (Russia in this case) to fight and die for them. They are no different than Saudi Arabia.
Kurds decided to go completely rogue and they jeopardise Russia's proxies on the ground. SAA is too incompetent to deal with Kurds.
That leaves Turkey to deal with Kurds. And they will deliver. They may claim to fight ISIL but we all know they are there to put Kurds into the ground. There is no Syrian presence in that region so Turks, FSA and Kurds are free to rack in the bodycount. Happy hunting to all of them.
Russia is there to protect interests of Russia. And they are getting the job done with little effort and at relatively low cost. Textbook efficiency.
Turkey made their move now for one reason and one reason only: because Russia allowed them to.
Russia needs someone to handle the US controlled Kurds but they do not want to hassle with bombing ungrateful POS' themselves. Kurds have very good public image. So they allowed Turks to do the dirty work.
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PapaDragon wrote:
Will you all stop replying to troll retard?
Russia's job is not to defend Syria. That is SAA's job.
SAA is too incompetent to do their job.
Iran does not have balls to protect it's interests and expects someone else (Russia in this case) to fight and die for them. They are no different than Saudi Arabia.
Kurds decided to go completely rogue and they jeopardise Russia's proxies on the ground. SAA is too incompetent to deal with Kurds.
That leaves Turkey to deal with Kurds. And they will deliver. They may claim to fight ISIL but we all know they are there to put Kurds into the ground. There is no Syrian presence in that region so Turks, FSA and Kurds are free to rack in the bodycount. Happy hunting to all of them.
Russia is there to protect interests of Russia. And they are getting the job done with little effort and at relatively low cost. Textbook efficiency.
Turkey made their move now for one reason and one reason only: because Russia allowed them to.
Russia needs someone to handle the US controlled Kurds but they do not want to hassle with bombing ungrateful POS' themselves. Kurds have very good public image. So they allowed Turks to do the dirty work.
basically this, Kurds pull a shitshow in Norther Syria, Turkey is allowed to swing at bat. SDF goes back to where it came after losing over 2/3 thousand people in a 4/5 push to get to Minbij. How do you think Kurds are going to feel about this?
par far- Posts : 3313
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PapaDragon wrote:
Will you all stop replying to troll retard?
Russia's job is not to defend Syria. That is SAA's job.
SAA is too incompetent to do their job.
Iran does not have balls to protect it's interests and expects someone else (Russia in this case) to fight and die for them. They are no different than Saudi Arabia.
Kurds decided to go completely rogue and they jeopardise Russia's proxies on the ground. SAA is too incompetent to deal with Kurds.
That leaves Turkey to deal with Kurds. And they will deliver. They may claim to fight ISIL but we all know they are there to put Kurds into the ground. There is no Syrian presence in that region so Turks, FSA and Kurds are free to rack in the bodycount. Happy hunting to all of them.
Russia is there to protect interests of Russia. And they are getting the job done with little effort and at relatively low cost. Textbook efficiency.
Turkey made their move now for one reason and one reason only: because Russia allowed them to.
Russia needs someone to handle the US controlled Kurds but they do not want to hassle with bombing ungrateful POS' themselves. Kurds have very good public image. So they allowed Turks to do the dirty work.
This 100% bang on, the Turks would never have entered Syria, if Russia said no(the Turks know that Russia can arms the Kurds with advanced weapons and then Turkey will be toast), someone had to deal with the Kurds(remember the Kurds are no friends of Russia, Iran or Assad) because the Kurds were going to become a bigggggggg problem for Russia because the Kurds were leaning too much towrads the US.
sepheronx- Posts : 7552
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Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
KoTeMoRe- Posts : 4212
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sepheronx wrote:Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
While the SDF went back as fast as it could vs Turkey, they lost real people vs ISIS. Having to pull back from territory you were counting on to form a kurdish unified area while your buddy Uncle Scam told you it would be fine, that's something Kurds aren't going to take well. Kurds have 0 legs to more towards "Russian" Areas. And Turkey by its lack of assets in the area isn't going to risk a shot down squadron because they had the wrong idea. It's a Mexican stand-off and the Turks are part of it. Kurds had a nice choice to make, they didn't. C'est la vie.
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Turkey and the US played Russia and YPG. Turkey's fake coup enabled Turkey to regain relation with Russia and allowed Turkey to do whatever it wants in Syria without any Russian objection. Heck, Turkey can take Damascus tomorrow and Russia won't be able to do anything. YPG sacrificed a lot to take Manbij and what does it get in the end, go back to east of Euphrates to be slaughtered by Turkey and the US.
This isn't the first time Russia got tricked. Remember USSR. Remember Yugoslavia. Remember Iraq. Remember Egypt. Remember Libya. Remember Syria. Remember Ukraine.
This isn't the first time Russia got tricked. Remember USSR. Remember Yugoslavia. Remember Iraq. Remember Egypt. Remember Libya. Remember Syria. Remember Ukraine.
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Syria will never go back to pre 2011. Syria is being partitioned the way Africa was partitioned in the 1800s by Europeans. Assad will never be able to take back all of Syria. The best Russia can do is hold on to Latakia, Tartus, Aleppo, Homs, Hama, Damascus, Daraa, Palmyra. These are the most important cities in Syria. Iran and Iraq will take Idlib because Fua and Kefraya which are Shia towns are besieged there.
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PapaDragon wrote:
Will you all stop replying to troll retard?
Russia's job is not to defend Syria. That is SAA's job.
SAA is too incompetent to do their job.
Iran does not have balls to protect it's interests and expects someone else (Russia in this case) to fight and die for them. They are no different than Saudi Arabia.
Kurds decided to go completely rogue and they jeopardise Russia's proxies on the ground. SAA is too incompetent to deal with Kurds.
That leaves Turkey to deal with Kurds. And they will deliver. They may claim to fight ISIL but we all know they are there to put Kurds into the ground. There is no Syrian presence in that region so Turks, FSA and Kurds are free to rack in the bodycount. Happy hunting to all of them.
Russia is there to protect interests of Russia. And they are getting the job done with little effort and at relatively low cost. Textbook efficiency.
Turkey made their move now for one reason and one reason only: because Russia allowed them to.
Russia needs someone to handle the US controlled Kurds but they do not want to hassle with bombing ungrateful POS' themselves. Kurds have very good public image. So they allowed Turks to do the dirty work.
SAA can beat the terrorists and end the war in a matter of weeks if Russia supplies counter battery radars to take out terrorists artillery. Why don't Russia supply counter battery radars? Give me a good reason.
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sepheronx wrote:Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
I don't think that the Kurds will start expanding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas because then the Kurds will not be able to the hand of Russia vs US(which is very good for them).
Guys please don't respond to this Resistance poster, as he is troll(likely a US or Turkish troll).
sepheronx- Posts : 7552
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KoTeMoRe wrote:sepheronx wrote:Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
While the SDF went back as fast as it could vs Turkey, they lost real people vs ISIS. Having to pull back from territory you were counting on to form a kurdish unified area while your buddy Uncle Scam told you it would be fine, that's something Kurds aren't going to take well. Kurds have 0 legs to more towards "Russian" Areas. And Turkey by its lack of assets in the area isn't going to risk a shot down squadron because they had the wrong idea. It's a Mexican stand-off and the Turks are part of it. Kurds had a nice choice to make, they didn't. C'est la vie.
I am not saying Kurds, but Turks, US and their terrorist buddies Al-Sham and FSA will start moving west.
Maybe the troll is correct. I mean, lets be real here. Russia fucked up horribly and allowed Libya to be destroyed and lost 10'S of billions. It allowed Ukraine to be turned into what it is now, and allowing the Novorussia to be murdered. Something tells me that whatever Putin does, is a show. I am becoming quite disenchanted with the guy and his actions (or lack of) Crimea was brilliant but I think that was the just of it. Maybe I am wrong and that there are other motives, but I am not seeing it
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sepheronx wrote:Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
Reportedly, they are heading to al Bab next. If Turkey army marches on Aleppo, what's Russia gonna do? Fight Turkey? We shall see if Russia has the balls to fight NATO.
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4zd7xd/charles_lister_says_operation_euphrates_shields/
Russia should have established a No Fly Zone after Su-24 shot down. Appeasement will only lead to more deaths, as exemplified by WW2 when Chamberlain allowed Germany to rearm in violation of Versailles treaty.
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Give me a good reason why Russia don't supply counter battery radars to SAA? Does Russia not have counter battery radars? For some reason, Russia does not want the war to end. They know, if SAA is equipped with counter battery radars, then terrorists would be wiped out in a matter of weeks. Terrorists are nobodies without their artillery. Russia again, is playing a dangerous game. The longer the war goes on in Syria, the more likely Russia will become the next Syria, partitioned by NATO, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo. You think Russia can win against a pack of wolves?
Why do you think the US tricked Russia to dissolve USSR in the first place? Why do you think NATO dismembered Yugoslavia? To have Russia surrounded by enemies, the former Soviet republics and the former Yugoslav states. From there, the west will launch attacks on Russia.
The west has tasted Russia's military capability in Syria. And it's crappier than they expected. No precision strike. No intel. When pro west Russian traitors stage their attack in Russia, city after city will fall just like what happened in Syria. Unless Putin wakes up from daydreaming, what happened to Syria is what will happen soon in Russia.
You may think I talk harsh. I am a direct descendant of Sun Tzu, the greatest strategist who ever lived. Listen to Sun Tzu, and you will live. Don't listen to Sun Tzu, and you will surely die.
Why do you think the US tricked Russia to dissolve USSR in the first place? Why do you think NATO dismembered Yugoslavia? To have Russia surrounded by enemies, the former Soviet republics and the former Yugoslav states. From there, the west will launch attacks on Russia.
The west has tasted Russia's military capability in Syria. And it's crappier than they expected. No precision strike. No intel. When pro west Russian traitors stage their attack in Russia, city after city will fall just like what happened in Syria. Unless Putin wakes up from daydreaming, what happened to Syria is what will happen soon in Russia.
You may think I talk harsh. I am a direct descendant of Sun Tzu, the greatest strategist who ever lived. Listen to Sun Tzu, and you will live. Don't listen to Sun Tzu, and you will surely die.
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sepheronx- Posts : 7552
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They could fight Turkey and not much nato can do since they are there illegally. But Russia won't because of other bullshit I suppose. May be time for the Russians to start reinforcing the air force base with anti air and artillery weapons.
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sepheronx wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:sepheronx wrote:Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
While the SDF went back as fast as it could vs Turkey, they lost real people vs ISIS. Having to pull back from territory you were counting on to form a kurdish unified area while your buddy Uncle Scam told you it would be fine, that's something Kurds aren't going to take well. Kurds have 0 legs to more towards "Russian" Areas. And Turkey by its lack of assets in the area isn't going to risk a shot down squadron because they had the wrong idea. It's a Mexican stand-off and the Turks are part of it. Kurds had a nice choice to make, they didn't. C'est la vie.
I am not saying Kurds, but Turks, US and their terrorist buddies Al-Sham and FSA will start moving west.
Maybe the troll is correct. I mean, lets be real here. Russia fucked up horribly and allowed Libya to be destroyed and lost 10'S of billions. It allowed Ukraine to be turned into what it is now, and allowing the Novorussia to be murdered. Something tells me that whatever Putin does, is a show. I am becoming quite disenchanted with the guy and his actions (or lack of) Crimea was brilliant but I think that was the just of it. Maybe I am wrong and that there are other motives, but I am not seeing it
Libya was not on Putin, that was Medvedev, in Ukraine Yanukovych was looking to the west for "billions in investments" but Russia should acted when the fake revolution was going on, Novorussia received lots from Russia(Novorussia was held back when they had Debaltseve pocket, which hopefully does not happen again). The US threw the Kurds under the bus to appease the Turks, so the Kurds will now be going for allies, if they attack Russia and Syria, they will be fighting on two fronts.
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sepheronx wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:sepheronx wrote:Kurds are going to be fine. They are paid for by US and they agreed to move back due to US. The fight at Jarablus was a fake and no casualties or any fighting for that matter. It was an attempt to capture land and prevent Kurds from gaining. Now the question is, what will they do next? I suspect start ex0anding towards Russian and Syrian controlled areas.
While the SDF went back as fast as it could vs Turkey, they lost real people vs ISIS. Having to pull back from territory you were counting on to form a kurdish unified area while your buddy Uncle Scam told you it would be fine, that's something Kurds aren't going to take well. Kurds have 0 legs to more towards "Russian" Areas. And Turkey by its lack of assets in the area isn't going to risk a shot down squadron because they had the wrong idea. It's a Mexican stand-off and the Turks are part of it. Kurds had a nice choice to make, they didn't. C'est la vie.
I am not saying Kurds, but Turks, US and their terrorist buddies Al-Sham and FSA will start moving west.
Maybe the troll is correct. I mean, lets be real here. Russia fucked up horribly and allowed Libya to be destroyed and lost 10'S of billions. It allowed Ukraine to be turned into what it is now, and allowing the Novorussia to be murdered. Something tells me that whatever Putin does, is a show. I am becoming quite disenchanted with the guy and his actions (or lack of) Crimea was brilliant but I think that was the just of it. Maybe I am wrong and that there are other motives, but I am not seeing it
Are they don't doing that right now?
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