Fair enough but once ships are out of range of shores they become very difficult for civvies to place them. Turkishnavy.net is good for the Dardanelles but the other main one, the Straits of Gibralter, is a bit too wide.KiloGolf wrote:JohninMK wrote:Guesswork really plus an assumption that the RuN would do the logical thing given the opportunity.
Clearly neither you or I or indeed anyone outside the MoD in Moscow knows exactly where their assets are in the Med at any particular moment, although others in that business may have a pretty good picture of most and probably estimated view on submarine(s). Similarly with US/NATO assets in reverse.
We kinda do, they pass through NATO- and foreign-monitored straits to come in/out. Civvies take photos of them and upload it online.
Subs need to be surfaced while underway in peace time, although Gibraltar may be an exception (illegally though).
So I just asked if you know about their surface vessels status of passage (Gibraltar, Dardanelles and Suez).
Maybe I'm missing something here
Its news to me that subs have to be surfaced, I thought that that was only in areas like the English Channel where the 12 mile limits of England and France overlap so there is no actual International waters and convention dictates they are on the surface. Apart from the need in some for air supplies in some, it is much more comfortable for the sub to be running well under the waves.