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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

higurashihougi

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Post n°401

Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

higurashihougi Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:41 am

Russia does not left Syria. She still maintains a mininal force enough to respond if things suddenly take a serious change.

But after all, Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria and he has to act like one.

Russia does not plan to create puppet-state. She needs reliable ally. Assad has to be self-reliant.

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Guest Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:51 am

"Russian warplanes continued bombing in Syria and "fewer than 10" departed the region following President Vladimir Putin's stunning announcement that his forces had accomplished their mission and a partial withdrawal had begun, Pentagon officials said.

"We have seen some Russian aircraft depart Syria and return to Russia but we have not seen a large contingent of Russian forces" pulling out, said Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook. "So we'll have to wait and see like everybody else what the Russians do in regard to President Putin's reference to a partial withdrawal. Cook said that the remaining Russian aircraft carried out airstrikes Tuesday. He did not say how many strikes were conducted or specify where the targets were located, but said that the airstrikes appeared to be aimed at areas controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). "I'm not aware that any of these strikes technically violated" the Feb. 27 cessation of hositilities" that was agreed to earlier this month by the U.S., Russia and other nations through the mediation of special United Nations envoy Staffan de Mistura. The cessation of hostilities excluded ISIS and the Al-Qaeda- affiliated Al-Nusra Front.

Cook said he could not give a figure on the number of Russian planes that have left Syria but "fewer than 10 is what we've seen." Russia was believed to have 45-50 warplanes in Syria, including advanced Su-34 bombers, Su-24M bombers and Su-25 attack aircraft. Most of them have been flying out of the Russian-controlled Hmeymim airbase, also known as Khmeimim, near the northwestern city of Latakia. Despite the announced withdrawal, Russia has said that it will maintain control of the Hmeymim airbase and the small Russian naval base near Latakia that has been its only base in the region for decades. Putin's announcement initially appeared to catch the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as much off guard as the West but a Syrian official later claimed that al-Assad had been kept in the loop. "We were not surprised because the decision was made in coordination and consultation with us," Bouthaina Shaaban, a senior adviser to al-Assad told CNN.

"We knew beforehand that this is what was going to be announced because the Russians came here to achieve certain jobs, and we and they agreed that most of the jobs have been achieved," she said. In making the announcement Monday, Putin said that "the task that was assigned to the Ministry of Defense and the armed forces as a whole has achieved its goal." Putin's move came as Syria entered its sixth year of a civil war that has claimed at least 250,000 lives, sent more than four million refugees into neighboring countries and caused a refugee crisis in Europe. Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday that he would go to Moscow next week to meet with Putin to discuss the way ahead but added that "we have reached a very important phase in this process."

In a statement Tuesday, Russia's Ministry of Defense said that its troops in Syria were loading equipment and gear into cargo planes to prepare for the withdrawal. The ministry said that the warplanes leaving Syria would be accompanied by military transport aircraft and would be making stops at airfields in Russia for refueling, as some were homebased more than 3,000 miles from Syria."

Source: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/15/pentagon-russian-warplanes-continue-bombing-in-syria.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm

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GarryB Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:53 am

Putin has knowingly put Russians in great danger. He poked the Hornets nest. Jihadists in Syria were neutral to Russia before the intervention. Now they hate Russia to the bone and traveling through Ukraine and Turkey and Georgia they will do car bombs in Russia.

Get over yourself... the hornets nest was there... whether it is poked or not hornets are fucked up insects that need to be wiped out... whether Russia keeps bombing in Syria or not Russians should always act like they are in great danger because those ISIS fuckers are nuts.

Russia killed thousands of jihadists, but they were very quickly replaced by new ones.

Yeah.... just kill more... that worked in Vietnam for the US... NOT.

A political agreement between syrians will mean it is not just the Syrian government forces fighting ISIS... it will be all real syrians fighting ISIS.

In America people can criticize the president without fear of retaliation. Even on this forum people are not allowed to criticize Putin or they get banned.

America has freedom of speech. Russia does not have freedom of speech.

This forum is not Russia or the US and I have banned no one for their opinion.

America free speech my Ass... a lady reporter with 30 or 40 years experience one day remarks that perhaps the Palestinians are not being treated very well in Israel and she is forced to resign... yeah.. the world needs that sort of free speech.

Regarding Putin... if Syria is so fucking weak it needs the Russian air force to be its mommy then it does not deserve to survive. Fuck them.

I didn't pay too much attention before...just skipped over the posts. But the insistent and persistent screeching has got louder and louder.
It is bizarre the mods are basically letting him spam away, the same message over and over again in multiple threads, like a 9 year old with a mental defect.

There are no rules against being a whiney little bitch.

Why be ally with someone who will stab you in the back?

If you truly mean that then Assad can have no ally.

Putin has just withdrawn the Russian AF aircraft in Syria... he has not said he has stopped supporting the legal government of Syria.

If the political process moves forward then the Syrian military will absorb a lot of new troops from opposition groups and become much bigger and more powerful.

Rebels mock Putin. They say they will kill Assad the way they killed Najibullah.

What do you expect them to say?

And why would you listen to them?

Putin lost Ukraine, and now Syria

Russia and Putin never HAD either.

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PapaDragon Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:26 pm

short_fuze wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

short_fuze wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
200 sorties y'all !!!

Mine is bigger!

That's it, you spotted the real reason those planes were brought home. They are running out of star space

I expect at least one will be on its way back to the factory for deep analysis.

So 25 has done 330 missions (10 per star)? Strewth Bruce!

Wonder how many Western aircraft could take that work rate?

The parachute packers deserve a medal

Not to mention the guy with the star stencil, paintbrush and tin of red paint. H emust have been working overtime.

He will be remembered... yes sir

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Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:33 pm

par far wrote:Syria always punched above thier weight, ...

I wasn't really referring to Syria. I was mainly referring to Iran. Keep in mind that Iran has a population that is several times its officially claimed population.

par far wrote:The Iranian foreign minister to do the same thing as Russian ministers do in US vassal states of the EU, business, can you tell me why Russia is selling gas and oil to the EU? EU countries are vassals of the US.

Are you seriously comparing Iran's role in these kind of interactions with Russia's? Don't you think their roles in these interactions are the opposite of each other if anything?

If what I am saying is not true, then why wouldn't the Iranians step in to fill this role in Syria that according to you has been vacated by Russia? I am not saying that the "Iranians" wouldn't, but they would be the "Iranians" that are a minuscule minority in Iran.

par far wrote:I am going to assume you are Russian, ..., have you volunteered yet? ...

I am not Russian.

But you are missing the point or pretending to.

It is Iran, not Russia, that has to stop punching below its weight. Don't you think that you and the rest of Iranians volunteering is needed to address the situation? Instead, you want your foreign minister skylarking here in Australia, for you to have all the fun in the world, and for the Russians to save Damascus and Tehran?

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ultron Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:50 pm

Su-25s have pulled out. Su-24s leave tomorrow. Followed by Su-35 and Su-30. No plane will be left at the Latakia base.

https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/709993523316203520

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KoTeMoRe Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:54 pm

x_54_u43 wrote:

ultron wrote:I knew it was all over when Putin announced ceasefire and stopped attacking rebels, including Nusra and IS. Putin lost Ukraine, and now Syria. It's a pity he had good chances to push forward and win at the end, but he chose to quit when he was ahead. I will never get Putin. He is not a rational man. Anyhow, the Syria chapter is over. May the best of luck for Russia in the future.

Yeah, it's so much fishing for attention, I can't even DECIDE if he's really that affected or simply trolling.

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JohninMK Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:06 pm

KoTeMoRe wrote:

x_54_u43 wrote:

ultron wrote:I knew it was all over when Putin announced ceasefire and stopped attacking rebels, including Nusra and IS. Putin lost Ukraine, and now Syria. It's a pity he had good chances to push forward and win at the end, but he chose to quit when he was ahead. I will never get Putin. He is not a rational man. Anyhow, the Syria chapter is over. May the best of luck for Russia in the future.

Yeah, it's so much fishing for attention, I can't even DECIDE if he's really that affected or simply trolling.

With Garry's civil responses this morning to most of the points he had made here and on the other thread over the past 24 hours, we are just going to have to adapt with him being around.

Ignore is bliss.

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ExBeobachter1987 Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:17 pm

Militarov wrote:

ultron wrote:Lest we forget. Two servicemen were martyred in the Syria op. A pilot and a marine. RIP.

4 actually. Marine, pilot, one instructor died in mortar fire and one suicide.

Last guy does not count as "martyred".

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PapaDragon Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:23 pm

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

ultron wrote:Lest we forget. Two servicemen were martyred in the Syria op. A pilot and a marine. RIP.

4 actually. Marine, pilot, one instructor died in mortar fire and one suicide.

Last guy does not count as "martyred".

None of them do, this was not religious war (for Russia at least). Casualties, heroes, KIAs, etc... take your pick but not martyrs. That would imply whole different ballgame...

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JohninMK Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:57 pm

Twitter

Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
2 hrs ·

Еще одна группа российских самолетов с авиабазы #Хмеймим вылетела в пункты постоянной дислокации на территории Российской Федерации

В составе группы – «лидер» – самолет Ил-76, а также фронтовые бомбардировщики Су-24М.

Another group of Russian aircraft with the airbase ‪#‎khmeymim‬ flew out the items of the permanent deployment on the territory of the Russian Federation
In the composition of the group - the "leader" - the ilyushin-76, as well as frontovyye su-24 bombers m.
Translated from Russian

Also Su-25 (4 external tanks fitted) with what could be a Su-35 escort (no external tanks).

EDIT

This is the long video. It starts at 14.17 in stops at 23.

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ult Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:18 pm

My calculations so far.

There were 4 Su-35S, 4 Su-30SM, 8 Su-34, 10 Su-25SM, 2 Su-25UB, 16 Su-24M.

4 Su-30SM ("24", "26", "27", "28" red) have remained.

4 Su-35S ("03", "04", "05", "06" red) have remained.

4 Su-34 ("03", "22", "25", "26" red) have been pulled out, 4 Su-34 ("21", "24", "27", "30" red) have remained.

2 Su-25UB ("44", "53" red) and 6 Su-25SM ("21", "25", "27", "30", "31", "32" red) have been pulled out, 4 Su-25SM ("22", "24", "28", "29" red) have remained.

4 Su-24M ("74", "78", "79", "81" white) have been pulled out, 12 Su-24M ("14", "29", "49", "71", "72", "75", "76", "77", "80", "82", "??" white, "53" blue) have remained, 1 Su-24M ("83" white) was lost on November 24, 2015.

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ult Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:23 pm

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TheArmenian Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:43 pm

GarryB wrote:
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I didn't pay too much attention before...just skipped over the posts. But the insistent and persistent screeching has got louder and louder.
It is bizarre the mods are basically letting him spam away, the same message over and over again in multiple threads, like a 9 year old with a mental defect.

There are no rules against being a whiney little bitch.

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Below are the rules from this forum.
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ult Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:15 pm

2 Su-25SM ("21", "31" red) and 2 Su-25UB ("44", "53" red) have arrived at Primorsko-Akhtarsk Airbase, Southern Military District.

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ult Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:20 pm

Mi-28N in Hmeymim.

Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 17 B75VnRq

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ult Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:31 pm

Ka-52 in Hmeymim.

Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 17 1AZOS67

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Guest Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:51 pm

ult wrote:Ka-52 in Hmeymim.

Looks like the Mi-28N is there too.

And the Hibiny pods were removed from the Su-30SM

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Guest Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:57 pm

Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8 - Page 17 Mi28n10

Was uploading photo halfway you posted video Smile

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ult Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:00 pm

Guys, I've mentioned Mi-28N on the previous page. Smile

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Guest Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:15 pm

ult wrote:Guys, I've mentioned Mi-28N on the previous page.

My bad

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medo Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:19 pm

It seems RuAF will replace Su-24 and Su-25 with Ka-52 and Mi-28N. Also there is more than 12 Su-24 jets in Hmeymim, so some of them will stay there. I think they will just return home jets, which are in Syria from September.

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calm Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:26 pm

From #Hmeymim airbase will withdraw all Su-25SM (12),all Su-34 (~. Planned will remain ~12 Su-24M,all Su-30SM/35S (~8)and all helicopters

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/710124803097812992

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calm Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:27 pm

calm wrote:

From #Hmeymim airbase will withdraw all Su-25SM (12),all Su-34 /8. Planned will remain ~12 Su-24M,all Su-30SM/35S (~8)and all helicopters

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/710124803097812992

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JohninMK Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:53 pm

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

ult wrote:Ka-52 in Hmeymim.

Looks like the Mi-28N is there too.

And the Hibiny pods were removed from the Su-30SM

There is also an An-124 loading up as well at the end.

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