Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

BKP wrote:Yeah, well, the following is far more chilling than anything a Bond villain or Putin could manage:



The thing that's scary to me is, this is just treated as normal. These two skanks are just cackling away on national TV about what amounts to a mafia-sytle hit. At least the mafia generally tries to hide it's crimes, or at least disavow responsibility, not proudly display them.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

I've never seen this one. VVP should stop his political career and start cashing on Mafia series and James Bond sequels. I mean he's the perfect actor.

Vann7 wrote:IF you
ask me Hitlery will be the next US president..

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

I've never seen this one. VVP should stop his political career and start cashing on Mafia series and James Bond sequels. I mean he's the perfect actor.

If VVP makes James Bond movies, there will only one, the end of 007 along with MI5.

James Bond
One Vlad is just enough!

Желать поражения никто не станет. Но если оно ожидается по вполне объективным причинам, то почему бы не сказать это до того, как в заранее проигранную войну втянется максимальное количество сил и средств?
Для меня неприятие сирийской войны имеет совершенно практическое значение - много моих знакомых (и знакомых знакомых) уже уехали туда "добровольцами" (т.е. наемниками) и теперь работают в составе ЧВК в качестве пехотного "пушечного мяса". С соответствующими потерями. И мне искренне жаль, что лучшие и активнейшие русские люди погибнут, будут искалечены или просто прольют свою кровь без пользы для своего Отечества - лишь в угоду "пиар-задачам" по прикрытию ползучей капитуляции на Украине.


"Wanting defeat no one wants. But if it is expected for good reasons, why not say it before in advance that a lost war lured maximum amount of manpower and resources?
For me, the rejection of the Syrian war is quite practical value - a lot of my friends (and friends of friends) had already left to "volunteers" (ie mercenaries) and is now serving on the PMC as infantry "cannon fodder." With corresponding losses. And I'm really sorry that the best and most active Russian people will die, be maimed or simply shed their blood in vain for the Fatherland - just for the sake of "public relations tasks" to provide cover for a creeping surrender of the Ukraine." - Igor Strelkov

"Ага. "По-нашему" - это 4 года дожидаться, пока Асад потеряет 3/4 территории и половину населения, экономика будет разрушена "в хлам", а армия окажется не способна даже эффективно оборонять то, что еще осталось - т.е. когда Асад окажется на самом пороге катастрофы и без всяких надежд на конечную победу. И тут мы влезаем 50 самолетами, 26 ракетами и 2 тысячами людей (данные не мои - об этом пиндосы пишут) и заявляем, что сейчас "всех победю!" Т.е. силами, недостаточными даже для того, чтобы нормально поддержать статус-кво, не говоря уже о "военной победе".
Сейчас США и Саудиты подкинут боевикам побольше ПЗРК и ПТРК, боевики приспособятся к фактору постоянного присутствия в воздухе немногочисленной российской авиации и всё снова пойдет по накатанной... т.е. армия Асада снова уйдет в глухую оборону, периодически сдавая один важный стратегический пункт за другим - как все последние 2 года. "

"Yeah. "In our opinion" - a 4 year wait for Assad to loose 3/4 of the territory and half of the population, the economy will be destroyed "in the trash," and the army will not even able to effectively defend what is left - that is, when Assad is on the verge of disaster, and without any hope of ultimate victory. And then we get involved 50 aircraft, 26 missiles and 2 thousand people (data not mine - it Pindos write) and declare that now "all to win!" Ie forces, not even enough to properly maintain the status quo, not to mention the "military victory".
Now the US and the Saudis militants just settle more MANPADS and anti-tank systems, the militants adapt to factor constant presence in the air of a small Russian aviation again and everything goes according to that thumb ... Assad's army again goes on the defensive, occasionally renting an important strategic point after another - all of the past 2 years."

Monarchist wrote:

Желать поражения никто не станет. Но если оно ожидается по вполне объективным причинам, то почему бы не сказать это до того, как в заранее проигранную войну втянется максимальное количество сил и средств?
Для меня неприятие сирийской войны имеет совершенно практическое значение - много моих знакомых (и знакомых знакомых) уже уехали туда "добровольцами" (т.е. наемниками) и теперь работают в составе ЧВК в качестве пехотного "пушечного мяса". С соответствующими потерями. И мне искренне жаль, что лучшие и активнейшие русские люди погибнут, будут искалечены или просто прольют свою кровь без пользы для своего Отечества - лишь в угоду "пиар-задачам" по прикрытию ползучей капитуляции на Украине.


"Wanting defeat no one wants. But if it is expected for good reasons, why not say it before in advance that a lost war lured maximum amount of manpower and resources?
For me, the rejection of the Syrian war is quite practical value - a lot of my friends (and friends of friends) had already left to "volunteers" (ie mercenaries) and is now serving on the PMC as infantry "cannon fodder." With corresponding losses. And I'm really sorry that the best and most active Russian people will die, be maimed or simply shed their blood in vain for the Fatherland - just for the sake of "public relations tasks" to provide cover for a creeping surrender of the Ukraine." - Igor Strelkov

"Ага. "По-нашему" - это 4 года дожидаться, пока Асад потеряет 3/4 территории и половину населения, экономика будет разрушена "в хлам", а армия окажется не способна даже эффективно оборонять то, что еще осталось - т.е. когда Асад окажется на самом пороге катастрофы и без всяких надежд на конечную победу. И тут мы влезаем 50 самолетами, 26 ракетами и 2 тысячами людей (данные не мои - об этом пиндосы пишут) и заявляем, что сейчас "всех победю!" Т.е. силами, недостаточными даже для того, чтобы нормально поддержать статус-кво, не говоря уже о "военной победе".
Сейчас США и Саудиты подкинут боевикам побольше ПЗРК и ПТРК, боевики приспособятся к фактору постоянного присутствия в воздухе немногочисленной российской авиации и всё снова пойдет по накатанной... т.е. армия Асада снова уйдет в глухую оборону, периодически сдавая один важный стратегический пункт за другим - как все последние 2 года. "

"Yeah. "In our opinion" - a 4 year wait for Assad to loose 3/4 of the territory and half of the population, the economy will be destroyed "in the trash," and the army will not even able to effectively defend what is left - that is, when Assad is on the verge of disaster, and without any hope of ultimate victory. And then we get involved 50 aircraft, 26 missiles and 2 thousand people (data not mine - it Pindos write) and declare that now "all to win!" Ie forces, not even enough to properly maintain the status quo, not to mention the "military victory".
Now the US and the Saudis militants just settle more MANPADS and anti-tank systems, the militants adapt to factor constant presence in the air of a small Russian aviation again and everything goes according to that thumb ... Assad's army again goes on the defensive, occasionally renting an important strategic point after another - all of the past 2 years."

New comments from Igor Strelkov. Harsh, but very close to the truth.

Neutrality wrote:Is it true the Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian UAV? There was a whole mass hysteria on MSM today but the Russian MOD completely denied it.

Neutrality wrote:Is it true the Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian UAV? There was a whole mass hysteria on MSM today but the Russian MOD completely denied it.

Neutrality wrote:Doesn't matter, if it was really an Orlan-10 the Turks will blame no one but the Russians. Not liking where we're going with this at all. Not tying to sound like a drama queen or something but what's going to happen next time they  down a SU-30?

Neutrality wrote: Not tying to sound like a drama queen or something but what's going to happen next time they  down a SU-30?

Militarov wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Doesn't matter, if it was really an Orlan-10 the Turks will blame no one but the Russians. Not liking where we're going with this at all. Not tying to sound like a drama queen or something but what's going to happen next time they  down a SU-30?

Its just Orlan 10, they cost like high class SUV, who cares. Who says they will down SU30 ? Even if they do what will happen? Russia and Turkey will bark on eachother, Turkey will lose partnership with Russia on most fields probably, Russia will lose...well....nothing special really and thats about it. And next time Turkish fighters enter Syrian airspace they will be shot by SAM or Russian fighters...

BKP wrote:^Agree 100%. I'm over Ukraine. Novos deserve rrspect and support, but the rest aren't worth pissing on if they were on fire.

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Doesn't matter, if it was really an Orlan-10 the Turks will blame no one but the Russians. Not liking where we're going with this at all. Not tying to sound like a drama queen or something but what's going to happen next time they  down a SU-30?

Its just Orlan 10, they cost like high class SUV, who cares. Who says they will down SU30 ? Even if they do what will happen? Russia and Turkey will bark on eachother, Turkey will lose partnership with Russia on most fields probably, Russia will lose...well....nothing special really and thats about it. And next time Turkish fighters enter Syrian airspace they will be shot by SAM or Russian fighters...

High class SUV? More like high class Vespa, it is a glorified RC plane, I am surprised it even made the news...

As for Su-30 getting shot down, SU-30 even getting shot at would require Turks to go full-on suicidal jihadist mode.

Relax Neutrality, entire airliners get blown to bits on a regular basis and nothing happens...

Growing numbers of Islamic State militants in Syria have become discontent with their command and deserted the ranks of the militant group amid the Russian anti-terror operation, Moscow's Defense Ministry said on Friday.

"The majority of armed gangs are demoralized. Discontent with field commanders is growing amid the fighters, and there are instances of disobeying orders," senior Russian General Andrey Kartapolov told a media briefing.

Cases of desertion among the jihadists are no longer isolated, with them now fleeing "en masse," the colonel general, who heads operations in the Russian general staff, added......................

Militarov wrote:....................................................

High class SUV? More like high class Vespa, it is a glorified RC plane, I am surprised it even made the news...

As for Su-30 getting shot down, SU-30 even getting shot at would require Turks to go full-on suicidal jihadist mode.

Relax Neutrality, entire airliners get blown to bits on a regular basis and nothing happens...

Well they are cheap, but they are not THAT cheap I belive i once stumbled upon price of 120.000USD per unit + equipment. Still its 3 to 4 times cheaper than Israeli Orbiter 2 depending on contract different countries signed.

ult wrote:

Neutrality wrote: Not tying to sound like a drama queen or something but what's going to happen next time they  down a SU-30?

They won't, because Su-30's will fire back and down a couple turkish jets themselves. They've already been whining that their f-16 are being locked on for 5-10 minutes.

Su-30's are not in danger, they are the danger. The guy opens a door and gets shot, you think it's them? No. They are the ones who knock.

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:....................................................

High class SUV? More like high class Vespa, it is a glorified RC plane, I am surprised it even made the news...

As for Su-30 getting shot down, SU-30 even getting shot at would require Turks to go full-on suicidal jihadist mode.

Relax Neutrality, entire airliners get blown to bits on a regular basis and nothing happens...

Well they are cheap, but they are not THAT cheap I belive i once stumbled upon price of 120.000USD per unit + equipment. Still its 3 to 4 times cheaper than Israeli Orbiter 2 depending on contract different countries signed.

Well, you know, I am sure that there is no shortage of our countrymen who would be more than willing to sell us a Vespa for 120.000 bucks so I am still kinda right...

VLADIMIR Putin's intense campaign of airstrikes in Syria has the support of more than two in every three Britons, according to an exclusive Express.co.uk poll.

More than 27,000 people have voted in our Express.co.uk poll with 71 per cent saying they "support Vladimir Putin's bombing campaign in Syria", which is blitzing a large number of Islamic State owned buildings and vehicles.

The emphatic approval rating comes despite growing tensions between Russia and the US-led coalition, including Britain, over Putin's actions in the Middle East.

Claims have been made Russia is predominantly targeting rebel forces against Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, who Moscow admits it wants to prop up.

However, Russia's defence ministry has released a large number of videos of bombing raids on buildings from which ISIS operates.

Putin has said the terror organisation is the main target as he fears jihadis will launch an attack on his country if the group gets any stronger...................

Manufacturer UAV "Orlan": it is not clear what answer waited Turkish fighters warning drone

Khepesh wrote:

BKP wrote:^Agree 100%. I'm over Ukraine. Novos deserve rrspect and support, but the rest aren't worth pissing on if they were on fire.

Forgotten so soon....