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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

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    Post  NationalRus Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:10 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....


    The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
    به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
    http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205

    Clearly you are a troll.. There is nothing there that suggest a Klub missile crashed on IRAN.
    Russia told all their missiles landed on its targets .and have no reason why to believe Russia is lying about verifying it or believe the fantasy conspiracy tales from you.

    he is legit and always was so calm down son, we might find out that one crashed without exploding probably disabled by command in the air lets wait and see
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    Post  Kimppis Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:10 pm

    How I feel right now:

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    Post  Guest Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:11 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .

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    Unless that is very hard soil that is not impact that Kalibr would leave, i have seen myself place where shot down Tomahawk fell and it was bigger crater just from pure kinetic impact.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:11 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    we need the debris's photo.

    and is there any more info on how many craters or mysterious explosions ?
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:For comparision reasons, here a crater created by ZOF-74 He-Frag shell.

    4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.


    Good catch werewolf..   If explosives are the same.. the damage of Klub missiles should be
    half (more or less )of Toschka missile..  that creates a huge crater where you can hide 2 tanks.


    Just a warning to people.. that the information war will only increase exponentially.
    The US empire is losing the public opinion Big time.. go pick any propaganda outlet of the west..and check their comments sections. They needs to find ways to irritate Russia , so they
    say something hostile.. against the west.. but also seek ways to create anger or panic on Russian population and create unrest there..  US cannot start any major war against Syria until
    they have some reasonable public support.. so watch for some false flags.. where Russia or Syria will be blamed. Russia strategy is the right one until now.. pushing little by little NATO away of Syria.. creating a full no NATO fly zone by baby steps.. by helping Syrian Government to capture more zones.


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    Post  Zivo Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:13 pm

    Werewolf wrote:For comparision reasons, here a crater created by ZOF-74 He-Frag shell.

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    4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.


    What's the warhead weight of that round?
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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:14 pm

    sepheronx wrote:If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.


    Cruise missiles usually have a self destruction system if they fail to reach the designated target. Just like any modern weapon system.
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    Post  Guest Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:16 pm

    Ok when its about all this warload failing stuff, in army i was thought that between 15 and 25% of ordnance fails in combat operations, i was present when Strela-M2 failed i was there when something simple as M80 Zolja failed, so its all part of engineering and technology. Your PC fails twice a week most likely, i dont see anyone screaming about it around. If you want to see unexploded BGM-109C go to Serbian Air force museum, it was shattered by secondary charge used to prevent reverse engineering.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:19 pm

    max steel wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.


    Cruise missiles usually have a self destruction system if they fail to reach the designated target. Just like any modern weapon system.

    Possibly self destructed over Iran. But, debris would have spread and would be easier to find. Now that the launches happened over a day now, and we already have photos of debris in Syria of Klub impact. Then it is safe to say that this can be pure BS.

    As well, a picture of an unexploded FAB-250 shows one massive hole. Something that a Klub would leave a much larger one if unexploded.
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    Post  Admin Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:23 pm

    sepheronx wrote:If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.

    Why would the blast be massive?  The warhead has fail safes to prevent premature detonation and will self terminate its fuse for safe disposal.  If it is a failed launch the crater would be kinetic with a debris field.  I wouldn't count on our satellite coverage being able to monitor all missiles to target.  If the Iranians can show debris, then it failed, if not it is probably propaganda.  The Iranian regime doesn't have a reason to lie about it as they are fighting the same enemy.  The Russian government won't report anything negative unless it is obvious they will look like fools not reporting it.  This launch was a combat test to validate the system for sale.  Expect more hype from the marketing department than Iran.  Out of 24 launches and not one failure... I call that a lie.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:28 pm

    26 missiles to be precise.

    And you are right, the warhead could have been disabled before htting the ground. But debris would still be found as well, the crater our Iranian friend showed is nothing that a crater like Klub would leave even if its warhead didnt explode. As I mentioned earlier, there are pictures of what appears to be an unexploded KAB250 (or 500 so close to Klub warheas weight) and a very, very deep hole it created when it didnt explode but just hitting the ground.

    So that photo has to be wrong or leftover from something else.
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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:29 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    we need the debris's photo.

    and is there any more info on how many craters or mysterious explosions ?

    No more info available yet.
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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:48 pm


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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:51 pm

    max steel wrote:Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds

    must be those who made it to target.
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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:26 pm

    "The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

    “The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)
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    Post  zg18 Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:32 pm

    max steel wrote:"The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

    “The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)

    Nice read , thanks for posting.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:40 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    max steel wrote:Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds

    must be those who made it to target.

    All of them.

    If 1 crashed, maybe. 4? Impossible to hide. Gee, wonder what is taking long for said evidence? Waiting for agents from Iraq with US personell to plant said evidence? Like I said, very hard to hide.
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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:44 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    max steel wrote:"The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

    “The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)

    Nice read , thanks for posting.


    The guy whose articles i shared is a journalist for RBTH and Oriental Review and he sent me a friend request on Facebook How Ironic! What a Face
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    Post  Regular Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:12 am

    Werewolf wrote:For that reason, no Ka-52/Mi-28N should be send, but Mi-24PM2 and Mi-24VM2 (Mi-35M), not top notch technology, but will do their job and if some are destroyed, they will not see big deal about it as if Ka-52/Mi-28N would be destroyed.
    Believe me, god forbid, if that happens it will be big deal, no matter what helicopter. It is because it is Russian.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    max steel wrote:Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds

    must be those who made it to target.

    All of them.

    If 1 crashed, maybe. 4? Impossible to hide. Gee, wonder what is taking long for said evidence? Waiting for agents from Iraq with US personell to plant said evidence?  Like I said, very hard to hide.
    Just heard, the same US satellite that was over Ukraine has been moved to this area. We expect shortly the same quality photos as we got back then...................................
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    Post  Admin Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:26 missiles to be precise.

    And you are right, the warhead could have been disabled before htting the ground. But debris would still be found as well, the crater our Iranian friend showed is nothing that a crater like Klub would leave even if its warhead didnt explode. As I mentioned earlier, there are pictures of what appears to be an unexploded KAB250 (or 500 so close to Klub warheas weight) and a very, very deep hole it created when it didnt explode but just hitting the ground.

    So that photo has to be wrong or leftover from something else.

    Agreed... if there is no debris to be shown then its not only suspect, but probably fake. I also know that the probability of "26" launches being successful is nil.
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    PHOTO: Selfie with Journalist with "Little Green Men"...JK...SAA troops in Russian camo vest & helmets.

    Source: https://twitter.com/2Rook14/status/652252222840000514
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    Post  Siempre_Leal Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:55 am

    What type of ordanance(sp) does this?

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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:01 am

    Siempre_Leal wrote:What type of ordanance(sp) does this?


    Alot of it, various types of anti-personel cluster ammunition. If i had to guess then Smerch 9M55K - http://splav.org/en/arms/smerch/m55k.asp with 96 pieces of 9N235 submunition, probably multiple launched tho.

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    Post  NationalRus Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:16 am

    first i tought they deployed the mi-24p only to gourd the air base and that was ok but they use them for CAS... even the fucking gun is static... i have no idea why they dont use actaully modern flexible combat helicopters for gods sake get 4 mi-24 to gourd the air base and deploy 4 mi-28n's for CAS or at least the mi-24VM's only a mather of time befor we lose one if they get deployed like that 5m of the ground with all the heavy 14mm and bigger MG's the terrorists have on the ground

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