T-90 Main Battle Tank #2

I would expect thagt having the metal in front it should be used as a SAPHEI round also, so to be used against fortifications.

It carries 5,5 kg of prefabricated shrapnel.
That is A LOT.

Well the fragmentation material will be metal so it is rather heavier and denser than HE material, the original HE shells are about 23kg for the entire projectile weight and if they have about 6kgs of HE and 5.5kg of fragmentation material designed to be thrown forward in a destructive cone then I would say the remaining weight is over 10kgs which is actually rather a lot for shell case and electronics and fuses.

It seems this round will shower the enemy with fragmenting submunitions that can be detonated remotely, with good effectiveness against infantry and ATGM

I suspect when it says remote I think it might mean remote from the target... ie air burst. As opposed to contact burst or delayed penetration burst.

I would expect thagt having the metal in front it should be used as a SAPHEI round also, so to be used against fortifications.

Suspect against soft targets like a building or light structure not actually designed to be armoured or well protected this round could use delayed fusing to penetrate into the target and explode in side with rather devastating effect.

It seems to be very much like an AHEAD round which makes it rather interesting in terms of potential for hitting hovering flying targets too...

Ukrainian review of captured T-90M

They want to shit on it badly

thegopnik wrote:https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/army-xm1223-multi-mode-proximity-airburst-round/ @limb if you are going to shitpost do a proper job.

The US have been instensely using the M830A1 MPAT since 1994 which is laser rangefinder timed fuse. Russia absolutely never put ainet in service, let alone used it. 100% of all 125mm rounds that have been used in the SMO have the 3OF26 contact fuse round. South korea and france have the timed airburst K280 and Nexter EXPL F1 in full scale service since 2008 and 2011 respectively. Russia is 10 years behind in programmable airburst tank rounds compared to NATO nations and South Korea.

limb wrote:

thegopnik wrote:https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/army-xm1223-multi-mode-proximity-airburst-round/ @limb if you are going to shitpost do a proper job.

The US have been instensely using the M830A1 MPAT since 1994 which is laser rangefinder timed fuse. Russia absolutely never put ainet in service, let alone used it. 100% of all 125mm rounds that have been used in the SMO have the 3OF26 contact fuse round. South korea and france have the  timed airburst K280 and Nexter EXPL F1 in full scale service since 2008 and 2011 respectively. Russia is 10 years behind in programmable airburst tank rounds compared to NATO nations and South Korea.

Wagner tank crew in their famous T-90M interview claims they were using airburst rounds near Bakhmut. Not seen in footage nor from reports.

limb wrote:
Russia absolutely never put ainet in service, let alone used it. 100% of all 125mm rounds that have been used in the SMO have the 3OF26 contact fuse round.  

3OF26 is the HE round. I'm assuming you're saying here that in all of the SMO the Russians exclusively used contact fuses for all their HE shell needs at least for the 125mm caliber. In which case I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit because 1) Reputable sources have established that the Ainet airburst fuse setting system is installed on several T-80/90 variants; 2) multiple video evidences of airbursting ammunition that may or may not be Ainet fused 3OF26 are demonstrated; 3) claims by actual operators on the ground of their usage; and 4) lastly, because you have no way of accessing the information required to declare that and I quote: "100% of all 125mm rounds that have been used in the SMO have the 3OF26 contact fuse round" and anyone who says so that are not a senior ranking officer of the Russian Army is just blatantly lying.

limb wrote:
The US have been instensely using the M830A1 MPAT since 1994 which is laser rangefinder timed fuse.

Sounds impressive until you realize the M830A1 has an 80mm subcaliber HEAT warhead. The armor penetration of shaped charges is directly proportional to the liner cone diameter - thus the bigger the better. The most basic PG-7L has a 93mm diameter HEAT warhead.

I take it back. I'm actually impressed they managed to **** it up so bad a tank shell performs worse than a shoulder fired rocket. That takes real talent ... at fucking up  

As an airburst munition it probably is just as shit. Unlike proper high explosive fragmentation shells which use the energy of the explosion to shatter the shell body into supersonic shrapnel, shaped charge warheads concentrate most of their energy towards collapsing a liner into a super high pressure metal jet - exactly the opposite of the former. They are not nearly as effective as airburst munitions which is probably why the M830A1 is designated against airborne targets that are very rarely armored to begin with.

limb wrote:
South korea and france have the  timed airburst K280 and Nexter EXPL F1 in full scale service since 2008 and 2011 respectively.

K280 is a clone of the M830A1. Same caveats applies.

I have no information on the French round to comment apart from that it apparently exists as a single row in a table in wikipedia. But consulting Nexter Arrowtech's product brochure for 2023 an airbursting HE shell can be found in the HE IM3M that is still listed as in development. Unless of course, you know more than the manufacturer when it comes to their own products.  

limb wrote:
Russia is 10 years behind in programmable airburst tank rounds compared to NATO nations and South Korea.

NATO fanboys will swear up and down their shit is lightyears more advanced, but when shit falls to classic Soviet weapons they go into all sorts of contortions trying to explain why its just a fluke and the real NATO weapons were never really tried.

Belisarius wrote:Russia is 10 years behind what it should be if it weren't for what happened in the 90s, and yet it is 10 to 15 years ahead of NATO and South Korea when it comes to hypersonic technology and anti-aircraft defense.

That means they are still at least 10 years ahead from the rest of the planet in armor technology. NATO blew up all chances at catching up when they went full retard and spent all their money on blowing up brown people in shitholes most people barely heard of.

I think I have seen the switch and labels on part of the t90m fire control system which point to some kind of range finder based remote detonating shell. I'll try and look thru the videos I have to find the image. Question: dont they program the shell manually before it is chambered into the cannon or is it all done electronically?

Edit: had to add to a sentence.

The ten years ahead western artillery vehicles are only intended for 100 shells a day and then they need maintenance and work so they can fire another 100 shells tomorrow. I guess the future of technology is an apple phone you have to replace every year because of the shit battery.

It seems obsolete technology has been getting the job done.

Question: dont they program the shell manually before it is chambered into the cannon or is it all done electronically?

Ammo can be loaded into the gun of a T series tank, but normally they use the autoloader to feed the rounds into the autoloader and then once it is loaded they go back to shooting things. The fuse on the Aniet rounds is induction set to a specific time as it moves through the autoloader into the chamber for firing... the crew don't need to manually set the fuse, it is an electronic fuse.

Just the same that the AHEAD rounds are normally set by an induction coil beyond the muzzle... the first two coils determines muzzle velocity of the shell being fired and the third coil sets the fuse.

apple phone

Maybe Apple should design the next american tank.
Only 75 Million $ a piece.

Maybe Apple should design the next american tank. lol1
Only 75 Million $ a piece.

A new model every six months with a battery to match and if you don't keep up buying new ones you will find all the currently produced ammo is no longer compatible... you need to buy a new tank.

If you don´t pay extra the screen of the thermal imager will show commercials during combat.

I remember my time at University and at the end of each year when the students from far away left they just dumped apple computers in rubbish bins... a combination of... next years model will be better anyway so dump the computer and get a new one next year... the ultimate disposable computer.

In comparison I still have my PC computer, but I have replaced the insides multiple times to keep it useful.

Can't do that with apples.

Which is ironic because they are more expensive too... you would think it would be the cheap one that is considered disposable.