Security of Russian air bases

GarryB wrote:

But yeah, only deal with the problem when you encounter it. Never think ahead. Shopping mall burned down in Kemerovo with 70 people dead - hmmm time to think about enforcing fire codes. Ammo dump blew up spectacularly, hmm time to think about basic safety standards and training. Planes on the tarmac got damaged with some home-made UAVs dropping explosives - yes, time to think about a roof over their heads. Modern day Russia in a nutshell.

All very valid criticisms, but I would say a human problem rather than just blaming Russia.

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1177640891877675008

Russian building hangar shelters similar to those in Syria in its manland bases for its fighters.

They clearly saw the danger of small improvised suicide drone against airport. They can easily destroy main airforces assets in mater of hours. Bad perf of pantsir are also playing in this decision IMO.

Isos wrote:Their hangars are useless. Soviet build them for mig-21 and mig-23 size fighters and now sukhois can't fit inside.

They need to build new ones because we saw how nasty small suicide drones are and hangars will perfectly protect from them.

Idk if they have started to build new ones.

Why don't russian bombers have hangars,especially in the cold salty and humid subarctic and arctic environments?

franco wrote:Opening the meeting, the Minister of Defense proposed to start work with the consideration of the construction of shelters for aircraft.

"In accordance with the Plan for the development of the airfield network, it is planned to build more than 300 shelters. This will ensure the deployment of advanced aviation systems, including fifth-generation aircraft. The creation of shelters is synchronized with the supply of aircraft to the troops, " the head of the military department said.

According to Sergei Shoigu, the facilities will ensure the camouflage of aircraft from satellite surveillance, its protection from climatic factors and fire exposure, and improve the working conditions of engineering personnel.

NOTE: this has been a common question here

Full article:  https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12357086@egNews

Hole wrote:Thousands of HAS´s were built in the 50´s and 60´s, most of them in eastern europe, but also a lot around Russia.



The planes in the open are at the flightline, ready to start any minute. There are hangars for maintenance and for larger planes there are dispersal areas.

GarryB wrote:Most likely a case that the new stealth technology being used in their newest aircraft and drones probably don't like being left out in a Russian winter all night... not to mention the batteries inside the avionics of the aircraft probably don't like the cold either.

Hole wrote:Thousands of HAS´s were built in the 50´s and 60´s, most of them in eastern europe, but also a lot around Russia.



The planes in the open are at the flightline, ready to start any minute. There are hangars for maintenance and for larger planes there are dispersal areas.

gbu48098 wrote:

GarryB wrote:Most likely a case that the new stealth technology being used in their newest aircraft and drones probably don't like being left out in a Russian winter all night... not to mention the batteries inside the avionics of the aircraft probably don't like the cold either.

You may be correct, you were not so kind with words when it was F-22 but anyway 5th gen are as fragile as they get. With all this stealth planes in the air, they should run into each other and drop dead!

GarryB wrote:The F-22 has all the worlds free media as well as Hollywood broadcasting its virtues and amazing performance... I don't need to add to that.

I don't really care much for western planes and aircraft.

miketheterrible wrote:

MechanizedOne wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Covert Sabotage at an airforce base with round the clock patrols, cameras and sensors?

You are aware it isn't easy to just break into a base like that without being noticed, right?  They are rather outside living areas so it would be rather easy to spot someone approaching, day or night.

And also dead in middle of Russia too right?

Please guys, stop playing Call of Duty.

Actually in the late eighties/early nineties it was very easy to get to the planes and helicopters of the Soviet/Russian air force and army Aviation. Fences were just concrete poles with some rusty barbed wire with some parts none-existent because people living on the base used it as short cut to walk on/off the base. We did the same and it was possible to get to the Mi-24s and Mi-8s, note down the construction numbers or in case of Mi-8s, open the sealed hatches on the back and read the number on the inside. On Grossenhain (a MiG-27 base) we managed to get unnoticed in the maintenance hangar and note the last five digits in of the construction number in the wheel well.

Within the aircraft spotting community were I came from only Mahlwinkel (Mi-24s and Mi-8s) and Rangsdorf (helicopter maintenance) was considered tricky. Even Sperenberg with the Il-20 and Il-22 det. over there was easy. One of the first pics made in East Germany of this aircraft published in Janes was made at the dispersal were the aircraft was parked. I know, because I stood about 2 meters away from the guy who took the picture. No guard of whatsoever.



Here we got arrested at Sperenberg. After a few hours we were good to go. The guy in the blue jacket took the pic of the ELINT Coot.

It amazes me until this day that they were so relaxed with security. Sometimes you encountered the guard patrol, most of the time they were more interested in our car, cigarettes etc. Even the higher officers. One time we were asked to wait so that some high ranking officers could come to see us. Afraid of being arrested we waited, when they finally arrived they asked, to our amazement, if we could start the car, open the hood and rev the engine. After some chit chat about the car we could go


Noting down the 13 digit numbers indicating type etc at Mahlwinkel in the early morning

I can imagine that with all the camera surveillance and electronic gadgets security is improved.

I was still young back then and thinking back it was a dangerous game that could go wrong. In the years before the shot an US Major who approached some sheds with tanks in it at a training area.

But boy, we had fun back then.