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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:19 am

    GarryB wrote:
    But yeah, only deal with the problem when you encounter it. Never think ahead. Shopping mall burned down in Kemerovo with 70 people dead - hmmm time to think about enforcing fire codes. Ammo dump blew up spectacularly, hmm time to think about basic safety standards and training. Planes on the tarmac got damaged with some home-made UAVs dropping explosives - yes, time to think about a roof over their heads. Modern day Russia in a nutshell.

    All very valid criticisms, but I would say a human problem rather than just blaming Russia.

    The ironic thing is, if they start sending government inspectors around the country to clamp down hard on every violation, I'm willing to bet people will be complaining about how authoritarian and bureaucratic the government is
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    Post  Kimppis Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 am

    If I remember correctly, it was mentioned a few years ago in some article that they would start constructing shelters from around 2020 onwards. The article was probably shared on this very forum. So it was "always" the plan, at least for the most part. Different priorities, I guess. dunno

    And that's fair criticism (when I'm not reading it from anti-Russian sources), but incidents like Kemerovo are actually statistically much less common now than even 10 years ago. That's also modern Russia in a nutshell.
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    Post  william.boutros Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:18 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1177640891877675008

    Russian building hangar shelters similar to those in Syria in its manland bases for its fighters.

    They clearly saw the danger of small improvised suicide drone against airport. They can easily destroy main airforces assets in mater of hours. Bad perf of pantsir are also playing in this decision IMO.

    That is just silly. These are sandwich panels and they cannot stop a hard kick let alone a bomb.
    They can conceal and protect from the elements.
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    Post  medo Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:30 pm



    Now Russuan army build shelters for helicopters in Hmeimim and they will be finnished in November. Now they confirm, that shelters have two layers of armor plates to protect against drones and mortar mines. I hope RuAF will now start to intensively build such shelters in their airbases in Russia as well.
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    Post  limb Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:11 pm

    Is there any info on how common hangars that protect from the weather are in russian military airports? I've read here that in general russians always keep their aircraft parked outside, no matter what the elements are, and this has shortened the airframe lifetime of many relatively recently built aircraft(for example Tu-22s and Tu-95s built in the 70s and 80s). If this is true, why is that? I do know however that during the cold War many Warsaw pact airfields did have earthen mound hangars.

    Also general military airport infrastructure thread.
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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:16 pm

    Their hangars are useless. Soviet build them for mig-21 and mig-23 size fighters and now sukhois can't fit inside.

    They need to build new ones because we saw how nasty small suicide drones are and hangars will perfectly protect from them.

    Idk if they have started to build new ones.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:19 pm

    General point. In English hangers tend to be largish buildings used mainly for maintenance. The structures used to house individual or a couple of aircraft are shelters, as in Hardened Aircraft Shelters or HAS. Back in the day they were concrete covered with earth until it was realised that the earth, whilst good camouflage, stopped a bomb from bouncing off.

    The RuAF in Syria had their aircraft out in the open but most, not the QRA aircraft, are now in a continuous line of concrete shelters.
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    Post  limb Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:15 am

    Isos wrote:Their hangars are useless. Soviet build them for mig-21 and mig-23 size fighters and now sukhois can't fit inside.

    They need to build new ones because we saw how nasty small suicide drones are and hangars will perfectly protect from them.

    Idk if they have started to build new ones.
    Why don't russian bombers have hangars,especially in the cold salty and humid subarctic and arctic environments?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:10 am

    If you can attack aircraft sitting beside a runway 5,000km in the middle of nowhere then you can probably reach hardened hangars on the same airfield...

    The west has big shelters for their planes because they need air conditioning and other comforts to operate properly... the cost of putting all their aircraft into special shelters would cost more than some of their planes.

    Not saying it is a bad thing per say, but it costs money with no direct immediate benefit... hangars are present for maintenance and disassembly and upgrades and overhauls are not done on operational airfields anyway...

    In a war zone with the threat of enemy attack Pantsir or TOR batteries would be more valuable to protect the aircraft than many types of shelter.

    Note the S-13 122mm calibre air launched rocket is designed specifically to penetrate an aircraft shelter and explode inside destroying any aircraft inside... as standard they are carried in five shot rocket pods for the job.

    http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/s-13-t/

    The same rocket can also be used against runways and hardened bunkers and HQs etc...
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    Post  Isos Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:12 am

    Drones, atgm, missiles/bombs that explode nearby, rockets... plenty of threats it can protect from. Of course a direct hit by a missile will go through.

    Why don't russian bombers have hangars,especially in the cold salty and humid subarctic and arctic environments?

    Idk.
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