S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #2

collegeboy16 wrote:question: how much does the most common s-300/400 missile cost? are we talking a million dollars a piece or less?

zg18 wrote:S-400 factory , many ask about missile in the foreground? S-500 , S-400 large missile?

"Aviation" modernized transport machine S-400

Specifications are improved, and the cost decreased by 25%



Scientific-Production Enterprise "Start" to them. AI Yaskina, part of the holding "Aviation" , has successfully completed testing of a new modification of the transport vehicle (TM) for the transport of missiles anti-aircraft missile system S-400.

Thanks to new technological solutions NPP "Start" managed to reduce the cost of new TM 5T58-2 vers. 5 25% - from 11.6 million rubles to 8.7 million rubles, as well as a 35% cut in fuel consumption.

An important advantage of 5T58-2 vers. 5 compared with the previous modifications - halving the load on the axle, which enables the system to the S-400 to move freely on all roads, including over rough terrain. The modernization of the tractor "BAZ" and semi "MWTP" Bryansk and plants Minsk, respectively, were replaced by similar machines that are produced at the plant "Ural" and ChMZAP. New equipment will reduce production costs 5T58-2 vers. 5 due to the difference in price and reduce transport costs, since NPP "Start" and factories - manufacturers of components are concentrated in the Urals Federal District.

Thanks to technological solutions Ural designers managed to reduce operating costs and reduce by 35% in fuel consumption. Manufacturer "Ural" has a more developed service network in Russia, which increases efficiency with operators. Moreover, the production capacity of the plant will be able to provide timely delivery trucks in the right amount, which should have a positive impact on the execution of orders for the Defense Ministry already in production volumes.

Now being coordinated construction documentation, and then transport the machine will be accepted for service and the "Start" to receive permission for its serial production. In the near future, new transport vehicles will start arriving in the Russian Army.

Modernization 5T58-2 vers. 5 was carried out in 2013 at the expense of its own funds.

http://rostec.ru/news/4513688

magnumcromagnon wrote:Great news guys, new versions of the S-400 TEL will be 25% cheaper to produce, and 35% more fuel efficient  :

RTN wrote:

IIRC , Russian TELs have historically been cheaper to produce compared to Western analogues .

RTN wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Great news guys, new versions of the S-400 TEL will be 25% cheaper to produce, and 35% more fuel efficient  :

IIRC , Russian TELs have historically been cheaper to produce compared to Western analogues .

The major question however will be whether the S 500 can intercept an ICBM like Topol or Minuteman III ?

GarryB wrote:

IIRC , Russian TELs have historically been cheaper to produce compared to Western analogues .

Much much cheaper, because there are no western analogs.
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Vann7 wrote:
Russia advantage is that they have very modern state of the art  Air and space defenses like S-400 and S-500 ,but also very modern
and state of the art ICBMs .that only have months in service. So they can test their own air defenses with their own ballictic manuevarable warheads. Russia also have Kinetic projectiles with a small nuclear warhead in case their first defenses fail.  So any Minuteman 3 launched from a submarine will need to bypass hundreds of S-400s or S-500s missiles attacks. And probably EMP attacks too that Russia have. before reach moscow and their nuclear defenses activate.

dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

"Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

"Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

medo wrote:

dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

"Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

Excellent. So now is S-500 missile officially in testing. I wonder, when they will show the prototype of S-500.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

medo wrote:

dino00 wrote:Russia successfully test-launches long-range interceptor missile able to hit up to ten ballistic targets


Russia has successfully test-launched a long-range interceptor missile which will be brought into service of a promising air defense missile system S-500, ITAR-TASS reports on Monday.

"Test-launches were made in late June. All goals and tasks set within this event were fulfilled completely," the source noted.
He noted that air defense system-producing concern Almaz-Antey was developing an air defense missile system of new generation S-500 fully in line with the deadlines set in the state-funded armament program until 2020.
According to open sources, S-500 will be able to detect and hit simultaneously up to ten ballistic targets flying with a speed of up to seven kilometers per second and warheads of hypersound cruise missiles.
Air defense missile system S-500 combat capabilities are planned to surpass air defense missile system S-400 Triumf currently in combat service and its US rival - a defense missile system RAS-3, the latest model of air defense missile system Patriot.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/Russia-successfully-test-launches-long-range-interceptor-missile-able-to-hit-up-to-ten-ballistic-targets-1363/

Excellent. So now is S-500 missile officially in testing. I wonder, when they will show the prototype of S-500.

How many Russian SAM's are capable of intercepting ballistic targets? Here's the ones I know off the top of my head: The new Pantsir being developed is capable of intercepting ballistic targets (on the lower envelopes of hypersonic speed), Buk-M3 will be able to intercept ballistic targets flying at 3 km/s or Mach 8.8, the S-400 is capable of engaging targets flying at 5 km/s or Mach 14.7, and now finally S-500 is capable of intercepting ballistic targets flying at 7 km/s or Mach 20.6...that's pretty damn amazing! Is there any others that I forgot to mention?

magnumcromagnon wrote:So it's official, S-500 can now intercept war heads flying at Mach 20.57, up to 10 at a time...the real question is that per TEL or per Battery. If it's per battery that's great, if it's per TEL that's simply amazing! I'm leaning more that it's per battery.

magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm guessing that S-500 missile warheads were either HE or Kinetic which is excellent, a nuclear tipped version would definitely have even superior performance than those conventional warheads, but of course Russia signed the nuclear testing ban treaty so testing those warheads aren't really an option.

Chinese media: Russian S-500 anti-missile system is well above the Patriot

According to the Chinese television network CCTV, in 2020 Russia will have a weapon whose parameters all have passed all the latest developments in U.S. missile defense. This is the S-500 missiles capable of shooting down hypersonic system.

Under heavy U.S. pressure, which does not cease to develop new missile systems, Russia has also accelerated the development and adoption of anti-aircraft systems, the most promising of which is the S-500, whose tests were successfully concluded in late June, recalls the recent report of CCTV . features really impact system. Russian media say that the S-500 exceeds in all respects to the latest Patriot anti-missile systems 3 and THAAD Americans, being able to easily shoot down the U.S. new hypersonic missiles the project Prompt Global Strike (Fast Global or PGS attack, for its acronym in English). According to Itar-Tass , the missile system S-500 may be adopted by the Russian Army before 2020. The S-500 is a system surface-to-air new generation designed to intercept intercontinental ballistic missile systems, airborne early warning and control and electronic warfare systems such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler. With a wide range of missiles 600 km range, the S-500 could separately detect and destroy ballistic and cruise missiles and low-orbit satellites and hypersonic missile warheads (with speed of over Mach 5) in the end of his career. The system is equipped with a new type of high powered AESA radar. The detection range of the radar ranges between 800 and 900 kilometers, which is 150-200 kilometers which the S-400, currently in service . Furthermore, the S-500 radar can simultaneously follow targets 10 hypersonic flying at a speed of 7 km / s, just the speed of hypersonic cruise missile Boeing X-51, the speed range varies from 1 to 7 miles per second.

Complete text en: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/133513-china-antimisiles-s500-patriot-rusia?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Werewolf wrote:Really?

S-300 is already superior to any Patriot system, not even counting S-400.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GarryB wrote:A computer can be 100% secure... simply keep it locked up in a steel safe and let no one else have access to it and keep it under 24 hour guard.

not very useful however.

Network access makes the computers vulnerable, but also most useful.

Back doors like wireless connections and blue tooth add threat dimensions, but at the end of the day no network is totally secure and to make it so will slow it down and limit it to the point where it will not be useful.

I have a question Garry, it's not related to viruses but with the creation of Zirconium scramjet cruise missile, what's the likeliness that scramjets find their way on to S-400/S-500 SAM missiles? Will it allow the missiles to have increased speed and range but with smaller dimensions, or is this just pure fantasy and not applicable to SAM missile fundamental properties?