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Eighth regiment of S-400 "Triumph"
Great! Give it a few years and it will be the S-500... When that day comes I *might just* die.Viktor wrote:8th, 9th and hopefully (according to V.Putin from the end of 2013) 10th S-400 regiment will be delivered to Russian aerospace defense forces by the end of 2014![]()
Eighth regiment of S-400 "Triumph"
Mike E wrote:Great! Give it a few years and it will be the S-500... When that day comes I *might just* die.
By 2021, to be completed development of prospective strike complexes aerospace defense, said the commander of the air and missile defense command, Major-General Andrei Demin.
"In addition to creating a system of investigation and prevention of air-space attack until 2021, it is planned to complete the development of promising shock (fire) VVKO funds, to establish their production and begin supplying the troops," - said Demin.
sepheronx wrote:but the question is, would S-500 be capable of dealing against such a system? I would imagine as soon as Russia gets their own up and running, they would test it against their own systems to see if they can defend their facilities from such an attack.
Viktor wrote:Mike E wrote:Great! Give it a few years and it will be the S-500... When that day comes I *might just* die.
S-500 will certainly be the crown jewel in Russian PVO but Morfei might leave much bigger mark as it could be exported like nuts thus playing its role in the battlefield throughout world.
Basicaly everything is interesting ... S-300V4, S-350, BUK-M3, new Tor with double the missiles and hit-to-kill missiles, Pancir-SM with double the missiles and range etc etc ....
Every time a new air defense generation is put in the production a new one enters development phase. Circle must never be broken.
sepheronx wrote:It all depends on what the targets are. S-500 will be far more important and there will be a much higher demand for it I would imagine.
Question is, how is S-500 developed for? Is the engagement in near space or is it on the warhead coming down to its target? Why I ask is because Global Prompt Strike that US is building will be allowed for US to hit any target around the world in minutes, with a conventional warhead/system. Now, in that case, Russia's both mobile and hardened missile bases will be prime targets for this thing, and Russian Air defense systems will need to be able to protect the bases from this device.
http://en.itar-tass.com/opinions/1901
In the opinion article, it states that if thousand or more of the US system is capable of taking out 70% of Russia's missiles and then the ABM systems will deal with the rest, then that means that Russia would be incapable of using its ICBM's in retaliation, giving the US a false sense of security to attack Russia.
So things like S-500 and Morphi is what really becomes important. Are these systems capable of dealing with such a target? If so, then that means Global Prompt Strike system will become less viable option for US.
Mike E wrote:Great question... I believe that the S-500 actually engages the target unlike the US SM-3 or other similar weapons. S-500 is specially built to kill hypersonic weapons, so their trajectory (Global Prompt Strike) shouldn't be a problem. That being said, it would be tougher for smaller SAMs like the Pantsir, Tor, Buk etc to engage such a fast device. It will have to be left to the larger, faster SAMs in the inventory.
Don't forget, the US doesn't have such a system in a reliable form... It will take them many years to build such weapons, and like most US projects, it will be a boondoggle. The cost of launching those things must be astronomical!
S-500; Definite yes. Morfei; Maybe one a good day.
You raise a good point... However, the Global Prompt Strike system will "fly" at a lower altitude, essentially becoming a hypersonic cruise missile. So while those radar systems won't be able to tracks its "launch", they should be able to track its descent. At the very least the S-400 should be able to engage the GPS.Viktor wrote:Mike E wrote:Great question... I believe that the S-500 actually engages the target unlike the US SM-3 or other similar weapons. S-500 is specially built to kill hypersonic weapons, so their trajectory (Global Prompt Strike) shouldn't be a problem. That being said, it would be tougher for smaller SAMs like the Pantsir, Tor, Buk etc to engage such a fast device. It will have to be left to the larger, faster SAMs in the inventory.
Don't forget, the US doesn't have such a system in a reliable form... It will take them many years to build such weapons, and like most US projects, it will be a boondoggle. The cost of launching those things must be astronomical!
S-500; Definite yes. Morfei; Maybe one a good day.
Mike, the thing is that all AD systems except of S-500 radar systems arent capable even detecting a threat like ICBM as they arent envisaged to do so. Thats why only S-500 will
be able to do that. Now the thing is that SM-3 uses EKV to kill the target. Because of that its efficiency within the atmosphere is as good as 0 (SM-2/6 are for within the atmosphere)
while S-500 will be able to shoot down targets in space and within atmosphere suggesting different approach than US one.
I've been thinking about a similar ABM kind of missile system... One that fires larger numbers of "smaller" missile (little larger than the 9M96E2) all with hit-to-kill "warheads". Like I said in my latest post, the GPS is basically a hypersonic cruise missile. Which is something that many Russian SAMs could attack.magnumcromagnon wrote:What we really need to see is a mobile Moscow Defense System, tell MAZ to create massive TEL designed to fire Moscow Defense missiles!!!
Mike E wrote:I've been thinking about a similar ABM kind of missile system... One that fires larger numbers of "smaller" missile (little larger than the 9M96E2) all with hit-to-kill "warheads". Like I said in my latest post, the GPS is basically a hypersonic cruise missile. Which is something that many Russian SAMs could attack.magnumcromagnon wrote:What we really need to see is a mobile Moscow Defense System, tell MAZ to create massive TEL designed to fire Moscow Defense missiles!!!
Наблюдать за боевыми действиями экипажей и расчетов довелось с КП «Ясень», куда стекалась вся информация от средств объективного контроля. Отсюда же довольно удобно было следить за траекториями полета как мишеней ПВО, так и зенитных управляемых ракет.
Первым отрабатывался эпизод отражения удара воздушного противника по обороняемым объектам. Для этого была создана противовоздушная группировка в составе:
* зенитный ракетный полк ЗРС С-400;
* зенитный ракетный полк ЗРС С-300ПМУ2;
* полк ЗРК «Бук-М1»;
* дивизион «Панцирь».
При этом дивизион «Панцирь» действовал в составе полка С-400, а полк «Бук-М1» был оперативно подчинен командиру дивизии.
Наряд сил противника включал эшелон подавления сил и средств ПВО, имитировавшихся мишенью Е-95 и ракетой-мишенью 95Я6.
Охота за «кабаном»
Фото: Михаил Жердев
Вскоре обстановка стала усложняться. Противник нанес удар тактическими баллистическими ракетами (в их числе были нелюбимые ракетчиками мишени «Кабан») и эшелоном ударной авиации (подыгрывала ракета-мишень «Пищаль-Б»). Так что совместным расчетам пришлось прикрывать объект от ударов как тактических баллистических ракет, так и авиации.
С индийскими коллегами было выработано решение по построению системы ПВО таким образом, чтобы на полк С-400 возложить задачу уничтожения тактических баллистических ракет. На системы С-300ПМУ2 и «Бук-М1» – уничтожение аэробаллистических и аэродинамических целей. Дивизион ЗРПК «Панцирь» выполнял функцию прикрытия полков С-300 и С-400 от ударов высокоточного оружия на марше.
Сначала в воздухе появилась мишень Е-95, имитировавшая удар крылатой ракеты. Боевой расчет ЗРПК «Панцирь» обнаружил ее и уничтожил при входе в зону поражения, в чем руководство индийской делегации смогло убедиться воочию с КП «Ясень». В небе остались огненно-дымная траектория и облачко подрыва. По докладу КП цель уничтожена на дальности 10 километров и высоте один километр. Но с пуском другой ракеты, как потом выяснилось, что-то пошло не так. Что – об этом мы узнаем позже при профессиональном разборе стрельб.
Командир дивизии по данным разведки установил, что в налете противник будет применять:
* ракеты-мишени 95Я6-2М, имитирующие высокоточное оружие, – 2;
* ракеты-мишени «Кабан», имитирующие удар тактических баллистических ракет, – 4;
* ракеты-мишени «Пищаль-Б», имитирующие удар аэробаллистических и аэродинамических средств, – 7.
Мишень «Кабан» запускалась с дальности 90 километров, «Пищаль-Б» – 75 километров, 95Я6-2М – 20 километров. Все они имеют очень малую отражающую поверхность и действовали с интервалом примерно 20 секунд.
После доклада командиров полков о готовности к работе для отражения удара командир дивизии задействовал по баллистическим ракетам ЗРС С-400, аэробаллистическим – ЗРС С-300ПМУ2 и «Бук-М1». Зенитная ракетная система С-400 «Триумф» взяла на себя, пожалуй, основную нагрузку по сопровождению и уничтожению трех «Кабанов». Но вскоре в помощь ей руководство вынуждено было подключить еще и ЗРС С-300ПМУ2, поскольку обстановка резко обострилась после старта сразу двух «Пищалей-Б». К тому же четвертый «Кабан» атаковал охраняемый объект одновременно с мишенью «Пищаль-Б».
«Четырехсотка» прекрасно справилась с массированным налетом, как, впрочем, и другие системы. Не зря индийцы попросили продемонстрировать ее работу (наряду с другими), хотя Россия до сих пор не поставляет за рубеж эти комплексы. А хотели бы закупить? Этот вопрос я задам в конце учения.
В перерыве удалось пообщаться с первым заместителем исполнительного директора Тульского конструкторского бюро приборостроения Юрием Савенковым. Он рассказал, что в новом ЗРПК «Панцирь-С1», поступающем в войска, значительно усовершенствованы РЛС и тепловизор, который теперь убирается в башню транспортной установки. В результате ЗРПК стал удобнее для переброски по воздуху. В нем появилось много других новшеств, что позволяет лучше видеть, точнее стрелять, быстрее двигаться по пересеченной местности на камазовском шасси (хотя некоторые импортные образцы выполняются по просьбе заказчиков на шасси МАН). В стадии испытаний – новая, более совершенная высокоскоростная ракета.
Подробнее: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/21838
Mike E wrote:I managed to find some videos of it, they really did a good job!
I'll go look for them...Austin wrote:Mike E wrote:I managed to find some videos of it, they really did a good job!
Can you share some video of Aero Indra 2014 , Thanks
Helgast Air defense, i normally say go overkill or go home, but damn this is a completely different level of Overkill, might not happen in my life time though.Vann7 wrote:Mike E wrote:I've been thinking about a similar ABM kind of missile system... One that fires larger numbers of "smaller" missile (little larger than the 9M96E2) all with hit-to-kill "warheads". Like I said in my latest post, the GPS is basically a hypersonic cruise missile. Which is something that many Russian SAMs could attack.magnumcromagnon wrote:What we really need to see is a mobile Moscow Defense System, tell MAZ to create massive TEL designed to fire Moscow Defense missiles!!!
The Holy grail in defense will be an entirely different technology not based on projectiles but on Electromagnetic Energy Plasma attacks.. Basically everyone have seen the Plasma Crystal Balls that you touch the surface and automatically and intantly your fingers touching the crystal activate an energy electric charge at the place you touch the crystal ball..
So imagine that concept on a larger Scale ,to the level of a city. You can have a Plasma Field ,shielding a city in a bubble. Any missile that try to enter is automatically intercepted regardless of the maneuvers it do or speed and regardless of how many warheads.
Those are Tesla Weapons.![]()
im sure the first nation to master plasma energy on a wide scale for military use will truly take a huge lead
in nation defense capabilities.. to the point of making any territory virtually immune to any ICBM attacks.
Probably we will not see such kind of technology until at least 30 to 50 years more. That Plasma could be generated on a military large scale for frying anything that invade airspace..
calripson wrote:How many S 400 deployed so far in 2014 and where ? How many planned for the year and where ? I recall in 2013 Putin said three regiments would be deployed in 2014 and last I heard the Kola Peninsula was a site for the next deployment.
How is it possible that Greek S-300 installations in Crete operate with NATO IFF systems?
IIRC, Turkey is unable to accept the Chinese HQ-9 because it is incompatible with NATO IFF.
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