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Austin wrote:Viktor , it is lack of good SSN that is worrying , Russia anounce a lot of thing only to be limited by funding and industry.
I think they are to accept that their naval component will be at significant disadvantage so have to focus on ICBM fleet mobile and silos
kvs wrote:Austin wrote:Viktor , it is lack of good SSN that is worrying , Russia anounce a lot of thing only to be limited by funding and industry.
I think they are to accept that their naval component will be at significant disadvantage so have to focus on ICBM fleet mobile and silos
Lack of good SSN? What are you smoking.
I mean the 4th Gen SSN , Compare the number of Virginia and Astute in Service of NATO compared to Yasen
Sevmash shipyard is on schedule to deliver overhauled nuclear cruiser Admiral Nakhimov to the Russian Navy in 2018, the company’s general director said.
I don't see how this is even remotely close to possibly. Yasen's won't all be delivered by then, same with the Borei... And A NEW generation sub will?Kyo wrote:Rússia to start building 5th generation subs by 2020
Maximmmm wrote:Not 100% sure this belongs here, but here I go:
Check out flot(dot)com (I can't post links yet), the swedes found a sunken midget sub. Port holes are closed shut so they're already speculating crew is dead. Forums are trolling by saying it's an old Som class from the start of the 20th century. Swedes are guessing it's something from the 80s/90s.
Post-sleep update: Looks like it is the old Som, apparently it isn't even a new discovery, divers had run into it a few years earlier.
She looks in amazing state for something that has been on the ocean floor for 99 years. I would love to see her raised, but since she's a war-grave that's unlikely to happen.
I in principal do not like to answer in any of topics, but i must said this, First your analyze about Russian SLBM is wrong, second, Russians always in every moment 24/h/7 365 day in year have 2 to 3 Combined Subs one whit Classic Ballistic missiles, one whit Cruise missiles whit Nuclear war heads and one protective hunter killer subs, in position that they just need to fired they salvo and all is over And fourth fact which many people totally forget is...How many USA Megalopolis City's you need to hit to induce total chaos in whole USA, 4, New York, San Francisko, L.A, and Chicago, How many City's in Russia you must hit to make same psycho effect beside Moscow and St.Petersburg, Russia is so wast country that they have villig in which probably they wouldn't know that WWIII is started, I Russia people can dislocated it self in many of Russia parts, which never ever will be targeted because simply they wasn't exist like important targets. USA have not such commodity , they can try whit Alaska, but problem is that Alaska will be hitted hard between first, My point is that Russian nation have much bigger chance to survive in some meaningful number first strike then Americans have, and about Mentality,what is need to common Russian survive and do not go crazy and Vice Verse, is almost non comparable, Hollywood was made 4 movies about "Famous" Black Out in New York which was last some 70 Hours "those tragedy, Those Human sacrifice" in those "terrible times" when AC/DC stop to exist for whole two and half days....is the best and vivid expression about "toughness"of average USA citizen in non expected circumstances .So all thos so called "superiority in numbers " mean nothing when each side have enough Nuc's to decimate human population, does that will be done whit 100 war heads by 8 Mgt or 200 Hundreds of 4Mgt is totally irrelevant such as your analyze.Sorry nothing personal..Austin wrote:flamming_python wrote:Austin wrote:Good Article on how Russian Submariner forces pair up , it seems they wont last much again numerically superior US Subs and ASW unit , just managing to destroy 25 % US naval forces and loosing most combat capability in bargain.
Another interesting aspect is protection of SSBN forces with conventional submarine of Kilo types
Theater of one actor - Underwater US Navy feels superior even on our shores
That's where the restart of modernized Mi-14 production and the modernization and re-introduction of existing Mi-14s comes in.
These helicopters will be able to protect Russia's waters at greater ranges from land than the current land-based Ka-27s can.
For further out, virtually all of the latest corvette/frigate/destroyer designs have helicopter pads where Ka-27s ASW variants will be based (in some cases Ka-31s or Ka-27s CSAR variants will be based on them instead).
There's a new class of helicopters to replace the Ka-27 family & derivates apparently under development.
Il-38s have recently been receiving upgrades to the Il-38N standard.
Later on they will probably be replaced by the proposed Il-114MP aircraft.
The Tu-142s will stay put for the time being; I should note that some of these are not old aircraft at all; they were being built all the way up to 1994; with the M3 variant being built since 1985.
All Tu-142s are supposed to be upgraded to M3M standard by 2020.
In the longer-term, they may well be replaced by PAK-DAs, or perhaps something else entirely; like a variant of the MS-21 or Tu-201.
The article doesn't mention the Be-12s; probably since they have only started to be returned to service last year and are only in service in the Black Sea Fleet - but they are another component of ASW.
Right now they are undergoing repairs at the Beriev plant in Taganrog and in a recently-ressurected facility in the Crimea.
They will probably be in service for another 5 or so years; at which point the question of their replacement will become very accute.
Originally, the A-40 was designated for their replacement, however the MoD later rejected the A-40 program; at which point there was talk of the Il-38s replacing them. However, the Il-38 being a similarly old aircraft that's no longer in production, not in service in large numbers, and not to mention without any amphibious landing capabilities - this plan never made much sense.
The latest news suggests that the MoD has rethought its decision and decided it needs the A-40s after all as Be-12 replacements (http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140719/1016726869.html), and possibly to replace some Il-38Ns in other fleets too.
I am more worries on submarine count.
The article only assumes that US submarine is the danger but I would even add Brits and French in there after all they are nato.
Russia faces a formidable SSN force when you count the Virginia's/Seawolf/LA , Brits Astute Class SSN and the new French SSN , they combined eventually makes for around 40 Top Notch SSN.
Compare to Russian Submarine Fleet of upgraded 6 Akula , 2 Sierra-2 , 4 Oscar and 7 Yassen.
Barring Yassen I wouldnt bet my life on the others in facing a formidable SSN fleet.
I am not sure even if the Sierra-2 are getting upgraded , any confirmation ?
The Kilos are just good for Coastal Brown Water , I doubt Kilo can operate below Arctic Ice so protecting the SSBN via Kilo does not make sense , Russian SSBN operate only below Arctic.
I can just hope that the Akula/Sierra/Kilos would end up defending the Surface Fleet/SSBN while Oscar and Yasen would be sent to hunt NATO CBG and SSBN Fleet.
The best case possible for Russia is all the SLBM would be launched by Borei before NATO/US SSN would hunt and Kill her down.
I think Akula/Sierra/Oscar would be swallowed by US/NATO SSN/ASW fleet while the Yasen has best chance of surviving but how long is any bodys guess.
The Goal would be to get all the SLBM/ICBM out of the silos ASAP before catastrophe strikes , which is like 5-10 minutes a nuclear strike is initiated on Moscow.
Most NATO SSBN operate near Russian waters Barrents etc that needs less than 10 minutes for their SLBM to reach critical target.
So 3-5 minutes is what the Stragetic Forces and SSBN forces have after that there is just disaster and hoping and praying Dead Hand could do something
PapaDragon wrote:
I would have rubbed it in a lot more, but then again, I am quite a douche...
''Russian Divers Offer to Help Sweden Study 1916 Submarine Sunk in Baltic Sea
Russian divers stand ready to conduct a joint expedition with Sweden on a submarine wreck recently found in the Baltic Sea, the head of the underwater search project A Bow to the Ships of the Great Victory said Tuesday.''
Austin wrote:Russia’s Naval Power in the 21st Century
https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/russias-naval-power-in-the-21st-century/
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