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    Anti-Ship Missiles Thread

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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:31 pm

    Mike E wrote:You also forgot;
    - Less effective, so more missiles need to be fired, hence more bought, so the MIC can get some more $$$.

    Well if this the case then the maker of Uran must be evil as they make subsonic missiles and Russian MOD is such a dumb to accept it in service.
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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:44 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Mike E wrote:You also forgot;
    - Less effective, so more missiles need to be fired, hence more bought, so the MIC can get some more $$$.

    Well if this the case then the maker of Uran must be evil as they make subsonic missiles and Russian MOD is such a dumb to accept it in service.

    The problem is the exclusive reliance on subsonic weapons in the NATO navies. There is no case to be made against hypersonic
    weapons so Mike E is hitting the bull's eye with his post. NATO armies and navies are about feeding corporations first and foremost.
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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:09 pm

    Are there any new information on the progress of the Zircon cruise missile ?
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    Post  max steel Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:05 pm

    Arrow wrote:Are there any new information on the progress of the Zircon cruise missile ?

    Just to inform you US hypersonic missile program is dead already.
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    Post  chicken Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:58 am

    Arrow wrote:Are there any new information on the progress of the Zircon cruise missile ?

    Last I know of

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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:14 am

    Chicken your picture doesn't mention Zirconium anyhwere.
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    Post  chicken Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:45 am

    Forgot about that.

    Here's source
    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-718.html
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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:57 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIwr8W1dr8E

    Look at the first hit !! It hits under water.

    Why don't they upgrade Moskit with a better range and absorbing radar paint?

    It was able to counter AEGIS when it was designed and today it's the same AEGIS on the US destroyers so an upgraded Moskit will be a good weapon against US and Japanese destroyers.

    And it has the best design of all the antiship missiles, it is pretty dissuasive.

    I have also some questions:

    1) Can you tell aproximative prices of each russian anti ship missiles and some western to make comparison ?
    2) If the Kh-35 is programmed to hit the target from behind, will it be harder for the target's radar to detect it ? For exemple on the steregushchy presentation video I've seen on YouTube, there was a part of the structure behind the radar. Can this make the detection harder ? Moreover most of ships have very bad defences at the rear , no missiles, no canons, no gatling guns.

    3) And why western navys use subsonic, not really stealth missiles?

    4) Can you employ Iskander-M against aircraft carrier ? I know taht they can be re-programmed durring flight against manoeuvring targets so with GPS/GLONASS guidance and optic guidence at the end it would be a very usefull weapon. 500 Km range is enough because in a war the carrier must be close to the battlfield as the F-18 doesn't have a long range. What the you think ?
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    Post  max steel Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:27 pm

    Any difference between Vulkan and US LRASM apart from speed ? They both are long range antiship missile.
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    Post  artjomh Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:08 am

    Vulkan = turbojet engine, inertial+satellite+radar navigation, ship-launched

    LRASM = turbofan engine, GPS-assisted inertial+radar+electro-optical navigation, ship- and aircraft-launched

    Completely different missiles.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:11 am

    And one is deployed operational system and the other is not.
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    Post  Book. Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:36 pm

    Russian bomber shown carrying anti-shipping missile in Syria
    Piotr Butowski, Warsaw - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 12 February 2016

    The Russian Ministry of Defence has released a video of a Sukhoi Su-34 'Fullback' bomber carrying the new Kh-35U (NATO designation AS-20 'Kayak') anti-shipping missile on operations over Syria.

    The on-board video, released on 11 February by the Arabic section of Russian state-broadcaster RT, shows the aircraft departing on a mission with at least one missile mounted on a port-side underwing hardpoint (while footage shot from the other side also shows a missile on the starboard hardpoint, it can't be verified that it is of the same aircraft).

    Development of the subsonic Kh-35 was begun by the Soviet Union in March 1983, following an assessment of the operational effectiveness of the Argentine-launched AIM-39 Exocet anti-shipping missile against the UK Royal Navy off the Falkland Islands the year before. The latest Kh-35U-variant is a The Kh-35U is a 550-kg (1,213lb) subsonic anti-ship missile that has been adapted for ship-, shore-, helicopter-, and aircraft-launched applications. While the outer-mould line remains the same as the earlier models, the newer version is powered by a smaller and lighter Saturn Izdeliye 64M turbofan (allowing for more fuel, and a doubling of range to 260 km).

    The missile was first trialled on the Su-34 in November 2010. Initial tests of the missile were completed in November 2012, with state acceptance tests following in 2013. It is now in series production at the Tactical Missiles Corporation's facility in Korolev near Moscow.

    http://www.janes.com/article/57975/russian-bomber-shown-carrying-anti-shipping-missile-in-syria

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    Post  max steel Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:39 am

    Impact of Sunburn Missile ( in real time )

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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:51 am

    Russia Test-Firing New Hypersonic Zircon Cruise Missiles for 5th-Gen Subs. russia russia

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160317/1036437650/zircon-hypersonic-cruise-missiles.html#ixzz4391DCjBz
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    Post  AK-Rex Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:18 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Test-Firing New Hypersonic Zircon Cruise Missiles for 5th-Gen Subs.  russia  russia

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160317/1036437650/zircon-hypersonic-cruise-missiles.html#ixzz4391DCjBz

    Rus to arm its 5-gen submarine "Khaski" with hypersonic missile "Zircon"
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    Post  zg18 Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:58 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Test-Firing New Hypersonic Zircon Cruise Missiles for 5th-Gen Subs.  russia  russia

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160317/1036437650/zircon-hypersonic-cruise-missiles.html#ixzz4391DCjBz

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:30 am

    The zircon should be standardised in shape and size and weight with existing weapons in the UKSK launchers put on new and upgraded ships of the Russian Navy.

    That means ships like the corvettes in the Caspian Sea able to carry Kalibr long range land attack missiles and Klub supersonic anti ship and anti sub weapons will also be able to carry hypersonic anti ship missiles soon... a huge step up in performance.

    The new technology could also be applied to a new version of Klub with a scramjet operating in low thrust settings for a long subsonic cruise at medium altitude to the target area followed by an acceleration and climb to hypersonic speed for the last portion of the attack...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:The zircon should be standardised in shape and size and weight with existing weapons in the UKSK launchers put on new and upgraded ships of the Russian Navy.

    That means ships like the corvettes in the Caspian Sea able to carry Kalibr long range land attack missiles and Klub supersonic anti ship and anti sub weapons will also be able to carry hypersonic anti ship missiles soon... a huge step up in performance.

    The new technology could also be applied to a new version of Klub with a scramjet operating in low thrust settings for a long subsonic cruise at medium altitude to the target area followed by an acceleration and climb to hypersonic speed for the last portion of the attack...

    imgine that ASH with 32 Zircons is an a$$ CSG whooping experience Twisted Evil
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    Post  George1 Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:54 am

    MOSCOW, October 21. /TASS/. The Russian Navy in the third quarter of 2016 received more than one hundred Kalibr and Oniks missiles as well as ships and coastal defense missile systems, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov has said.

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/907916
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:12 pm

    GRANIT missile operation explained:

    The Vice director of NPO Mash. mentions that all the rockets from one salvo act as "all for one and one for all"

    The range is mentioned as : 700 km

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:40 am

    Interesting.

    The all for one and one for all comment refers to the fact that these missiles operate as a pack using a datalink network.. since the late 70s.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:38 pm

    What I started to wander is what can be the aproach trakjestory of a anti ship weapon?

    It has to be random and the SAM fire control computer has to have hard time to predict it.


    So, I think the P-700/800 should use something like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve

    It is not possible to calculate the trajestory based on the observed part of it without knowing the coeficients.

    The rockets radnomly choose paths that satisfy a few condition (like endpoint has to be the ship, fuel consumption, scattering around the ship and so on) and after that just following it , and as a bonus randomly change the trust of the engine as well.
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    Post  nastle77 Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:10 am

    GarryB wrote:Interesting.

    The all for one and one for all comment refers to the fact that these missiles operate as a pack using a datalink network.. since the late 70s.

    Did that system also exist for the Sepel coastal anti ship missile system?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:30 am

    No.

    AFAIK the Sepal used active radar homing with a datalink back to the launch vessel.

    The radar picture was sent back to the launch platform via a video channel and the operator selected the target and changed the mode of the radar to tracking... so the missile would drop to low altitude and close in and hit the target selected.

    The wolf pack hunters started with the P-500 Bazalt AFAIK and also includes the P-700 Granit and P-1000 Vulcan, and later missiles like Onyx.
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    Post  nastle77 Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:No.

    AFAIK the Sepal used active radar homing with a datalink back to the launch vessel.

    The radar picture was sent back to the launch platform via a video channel and the operator selected the target and changed the mode of the radar to tracking... so the missile would drop to low altitude and close in and hit the target selected.

    The wolf pack hunters started with the P-500 Bazalt AFAIK and also includes the P-700 Granit and P-1000 Vulcan, and later missiles like Onyx.

    Did the Sepal also dropped to a low altitude when engaging its target ? but not a sea skimmer ? but I'm assuming was a lot more vulnerable given it could not be ripple fired like bazalt and it was also a lot slower ?

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