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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:07 am

    Hi all and sorry if this has been mentioned already but i dont think it has.

    Russia has starting carrying out exercises/tests on using the IL-76 aS some form of bomber/troop transport, and would be equiped with 4 bombs as well carrying troops. So far it has only been tested using P-50T practice bombs. I am not sure using transport planes in this role without proper anti air counter measures is a good idea, but i will wait and see people comments on here. The link is below, but ive also copy and pasted it in case people have trouble with the link, ive also included pictures.
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    The Russian Air Force (Voyenno-Vozdushnye Sily: VVS) has performed bomb-carrying trials with its Ilyushin Il-76 'Candid' strategic transport aircraft, the company announced on 30 January.

    In the exercise, which took place in the Tver region of the country north of Moscow, an Il-76MD was fitted with P-50T practice bombs on four underwing hardpoints.

    According to Ilyushin, the modification is geared at enabling the aircraft to operate on unprepared and unfamiliar airfields behind enemy lines. The crews will first visually inspect the airfield using flares, before dropping bombs ahead of landing with troops on board. "Bombing is performed at a speed of 500 km / h at altitudes of 500 to 1,000 m (1,650 ft to 3,280 ft)," a company statement said.

    The Military Transport Aviation Command will train "more than 10 teams" in the capability, stationed in the Tver, Orenburg, Pskov, and Taganrog regions of Russia, Ilyushin noted.
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    Employing transport aircraft as strike assets is not itself something new. In the West, the Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules has had a secondary role as a gunship almost since it entered service. What makes the Il-76 trials different, and somewhat curious, is that they do not involve the use of stand-off munitions, but of 'dumb' bombs that require the aircraft to fly directly over the target at medium level.

    Using troop-carrying transport aircraft as bombers in this way would appear to be an extremely risky tactic. If an enemy airfield needs to be seized by airborne ground forces, dedicated attack aircraft or helicopters would normally be employed to neutralise any surface-to-air defences ahead of the troop-carriers.

    Another interesting facet of the trials is where these specially trained Military Transport Aviation Command units will be located. With the exception of the Orenburg region, which borders Kazakhstan, the others are all within easy striking range of either Ukraine or the Baltic republics. As such, these exercises might just as easily be a demonstration of President Vladimir Putin's resolve and capabilities in the face of continued Western pressure over the crisis in Ukraine, as they are a tactic that the VVS would ever choose to employ.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:30 am

    I am not sure using transport planes in this role without proper anti air counter measures is a good idea, but i will wait and see people comments on here.

    Well if you think of it as a troop transport helicopter with rocket pods... it has to go in anyway... with four bomb pylons it could carry a range of glonass or laser guided heavy bombs in case a threat appears near the landing zone...

    The crews will first visually inspect the airfield using flares, before dropping bombs ahead of landing with troops on board. "Bombing is performed at a speed of 500 km / h at altitudes of 500 to 1,000 m (1,650 ft to 3,280 ft)," a company statement said.

    So it is for landing troops at presumably an enemy airfield... I would expect the bombs would be used to take out enemy air defence positions and the tower before the aircraft full of troops lands.

    is that they do not involve the use of stand-off munitions, but of 'dumb' bombs that require the aircraft to fly directly over the target at medium level.

    What makes the author think just dumb bombs will be used?

    Using troop-carrying transport aircraft as bombers in this way would appear to be an extremely risky tactic. If an enemy airfield needs to be seized by airborne ground forces, dedicated attack aircraft or helicopters would normally be employed to neutralise any surface-to-air defences ahead of the troop-carriers.

    here he contradicts himself... how can it be risky using troop transports when dedicated attack aircraft and/or helicopters will take out the air defences?

    Or does he think four dumb bombs per transport aircraft will be to replace the attack aircraft?

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    Post  Flanky Thu May 21, 2015 11:58 am

    Im not sure if anybody has seen this: http://www.janes.com/article/48552/russia-exercises-with-il-76-bombers
    Are they studying a feasibility to turn Il-76 in sort of a "MC-130" equivalent for special operations infiltration and exfiltration... that would be great.
    Anyone any more info?
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    Post  GarryB Tue May 26, 2015 12:17 pm

    Someone already posted pictures of bombs under the wings of Il-76 aircraft....
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    Post  George1 Tue May 26, 2015 12:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:Someone already posted pictures of bombs under the wings of Il-76 aircraft....

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    Post  Werewolf Tue May 26, 2015 2:06 pm

    That looks ridiculous tiny.

    It is ridiculous like this.

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    Post  victor1985 Tue May 26, 2015 8:15 pm

    Look a idea. Take some photons from a laser. Then pass them to a amplifier. Then they can be used as radio waves. Powerfull ones.
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 27, 2015 11:12 am

    That looks ridiculous tiny.

    If you read the markings on the bombs you will see P-50T at the top line, which means it is a 50kg practise bomb... it makes a big flash when it hits but does no damage other than direct impact damage... it is used for training and in this case testing.

    Operationally they would use much bigger much heavier bombs... and indeed possibly guided bombs or even rockets.

    I would imagine that a 150kg HE warhead would be effective against a range of targets, so the laser guided version of the S-25 heavy unguided rocket would have plenty of power and punch, would be accurate enough to hit point targets ahead of the aircraft instead of below or behind the aircraft which would be an advantage against a 30mm or 35mm anti aircraft gun position detected at the last minute... whether camouflaged or mobile on a vehicle... the ability to launch a rocket with laser guidance able to defeat a heavy bunker or heavy armoured vehicle 3-4km ahead of the aircraft would be very useful.

    Look a idea. Take some photons from a laser. Then pass them to a amplifier. Then they can be used as radio waves. Powerfull ones.

    Passing photons from any source whether it is a laser beam or sunlight and passing them through an amplifier results in a brighter light, not a radio wave.

    Image intensification scopes use photon amplifiers to allow a user to see in the dark...
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    Post  kvs Thu May 28, 2015 4:20 am

    Bombs are so obsolete. Having 4 of them is just inane. It would be better if they mounted some cruise missiles instead.
    Hypersonic or subsonic.

    It does not look like those mounting points could hold 500 kg or higher bombs.
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu May 28, 2015 7:36 am

    Flanky wrote:Im not sure if anybody has seen this: http://www.janes.com/article/48552/russia-exercises-with-il-76-bombers
    Are they studying a feasibility to turn Il-76 in sort of a "MC-130" equivalent for special operations infiltration and exfiltration... that would be great.
    Anyone any more info?

    That's either an experiment or a left over from Soviet times.....some of the An-72's have been seen with bombs and rockets as well

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 28, 2015 11:41 am

    That is the An-72P patrol aircraft designed for border patrol duties with wing mounted rocket pods for warning shots and a twin barrel 23mm cannon pod near the main undercarriage, and of course 100kg bombs released out the rear cargo area. they are used against smugglers and illegal fishing boats...

    the use of bombs on the Il-76 used for dropping parachutists is to suppress enemy fire power during a drop... which means the first plane starts releasing troops and vehicles and spots a target ahead shooting up at it... it places a laser target marker on the muzzle flash or radar source and releases a couple of laser guided 250kg or 500kg bombs. It doesn't need to be able to destroy Saddams bunker... with high accuracy weapons you don't need that much power for most battlefield targets.

    even if a single M1 abrams tank is detected then a laser guided bomb will deal with the threat like no other weapon could...

    Bombs are so obsolete. Having 4 of them is just inane. It would be better if they mounted some cruise missiles instead.
    Hypersonic or subsonic.

    What would a troop transport plane do with cruise missiles?

    Think of this as being like an Mi-17 with rocket pods... it is to suppress enemy fire power during a landing...

    They are just testing some ideas... who knows what they might end up doing... How about a belt fed 120mm Nona gun/mortar system with laser guided shells...
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    Post  Guest Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:09 am

    kvs wrote:Bombs are so obsolete.  Having 4 of them is just inane.  It would be better if they mounted some cruise missiles instead.  
    Hypersonic or subsonic.

    It does not look like those mounting points could hold 500 kg or higher bombs.  

    Price of cruise missile 0,8-2mil USD, 500kg bomb - 10.000 + GPS/laser guidance 10-20k. Amount of smart ammunition used in war, even modern one is just a fraction of total gravity bombs dropped.
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    Post  Guest Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:35 pm

    On 23. October, PD-14 engine (MS-21 engine) was first time started on IL-76LL engine test platform. First flight is rumored to take place on novemeber 3.

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    Post  Guest Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:19 pm

    IL-76LL equipped with new PD-14 engine for MS-21 liner before taking-off, Flying laboratory basically.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:38 pm

    Good picture at link.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Russian-built Il-76TD-90VD long-haul cargo aircraft has successfully completed a test landing on an ice airfield in Antarctica, the plane’s manufacturer, Ilyushin Aviation Complex, said in a statement Monday.

    "The joint crew under the command of chief pilot… [Nikolay] Kuimov and chief pilot… [Ruben] Yesayan successfully carried out the first landing on an ice airfield at Novolazarevskaya station in Antarctica on an Il-76TD-90VD aircraft, equipped with a PS-90A-76 engine," the statement reads.

    Ilyushin is a Russian company that manufactures passenger aircraft, military and civil transport aircraft, and special-purpose aircraft.


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    Post  Svyatoslavich Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:02 am

    JohninMK wrote:Good picture at link.
    Unfortunately, the plane in the pic is an old version of Il-76 (either MD or TD), with D-30 engines.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:46 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Good picture at link.
    Unfortunately, the plane in the pic is an old version of Il-76 (either MD or TD), with D-30 engines.
    Thanks, still a good picture. I expect that the picture of the actual aircraft that landed there is somewhere in the post!
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:10 am

    Il-976 "SKIP" – (Airborne Check-Measure-and-Control Center)



    On September 12, 2017, the aircraft command and measuring unit (SKIP) Il-976 (registration 76455, serial number 54-02), which was preparing for take-off, was seen at the aerodrome of the Flight Research Institute named after MM Gromov in Zhukovsky. The aircraft actively participates in flight tests after the modernization.

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    Post  T-47 Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:51 pm

    Isn't that the new Il-112V engine?
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    At the airfield in Zhukovsky, the IL-976 SKIP aircraft (registration number 76453, serial number 0063466995, serial number 50-09, a board built in 1987) received coloring after major repair and large-scale modernization was filmed. Now the plane, which has lost the fungiform antenna of the Shmel radar system, which is characteristic of the former SCIPs, carries inscriptions on the departmental affiliation of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom and the emblem of the Russian Federal Nuclear Center-VNIIEF, which is part of the Rosteam structure Research Institute of Experimental Physics, located in ZATO Sarov, Nizhny Novgorod region).




    The modernized Il-976 SCIP aircraft (registration number 76453, serial number 0063466995, serial number 50-09) for the State Atomic Energy Corporation "Rosatom" got a new full color. Zhukovsky, 12/20/2017 (with) Alexey Karpulyov / russianplanes.net (link)

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    This is one of the two SCIP aircraft (the second is the first SCIP built with registration number 76452, serial number 0063465965 and serial number 50-02), which, after completion of repair and modernization at the production base of JSC Aviation Complex named after SV Ilyushin in Zhukovsky were almost simultaneously raised in the air in August 2017 and in the past few months were actively flying on the tests, including being seen in Salekhard.

    In the annual report of OJSC IL for the year 2016 it was reported that "in order to implement the programs of FSUE Rosatom, works have begun to repair and upgrade two IL-976 SCIP aircraft." Boards 76452 and 76453 and are SCIP aircraft, "reanimated" for this project, with the installation of new equipment.

    Recall that the aircraft "976" SKIP (aircraft command and measuring point) were built on the basis of military transport aircraft IL-76MD in the 1980s to conduct radar surveillance and record telemetry data in the testing of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles and combat units. SCIP aircraft were equipped with a radar system "Shmel", similar to that installed on the aircraft of radar surveillance and guidance A-50.

    In total in 1986-1989 five SCIP planes were built (registration numbers of the USSR-76452, 76453, 76454, 76455, 76456). Of these machines, the first four in the 1990's and early 2000's were decommissioned and put in storage in Zhukovsky. Subsequently, the CCCR (RA) -76456 was sold to China in 2001 and by 2004 it was converted by order of the Chinese side to a flying laboratory in the IL-76LL for testing promising Chinese aircraft engines, and the 76454 aircraft was converted in 2007 into a Russian flying vehicle IL-76LL laboratory for testing the SaM146 engine for the SSJ100 aircraft. Boards 76452 and 76453 were stored in Zhukovsky approximately since 1995.

    The only aircraft operated by SKIP in its original form is still the side 76455.

    The tasks of repairing and modernizing SCIU 76452 and 76453 aircraft for Rosatom are unknown, but judging by the presence on the painted board 76453 of the emblem of the Sarov RFNC-VNIIEF engaged in the development of nuclear warheads of ballistic missiles, the updated SKIPs are designed to test such units.




    The upgraded IL-976 SCIP aircraft (registration number 76453, serial number 0063466995, serial number 50-09) for the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom, at the initial stage of flight tests, is still unpainted. Zhukovsky, August 2017 (with) Veniamin Ignatievich / russianplanes.net (link)






    The second modernized IL-976 SCIP aircraft (the first SCIP aircraft built, registration number 76452, serial number 0063465965, serial number 50-02) for the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom, tested in unpainted form. Salekhard, 11/05/2017. Along with this board simultaneously in Salekhard there was another modernized aircraft SKIP 76453 and operated in the "old look" SKIP 76455 (c) Yuri Yendaltsev / russianplanes.net (link)
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    Il-76PP. Or what is left of it. cry cry

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    Hole wrote:Il-76PP. Or what is left of it. cry cry

    Sad it could go to a museum. Amway a new one is being "prepared"

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    Remember this post in the Ill-276 thread?

    magnumcromagnon wrote:So I got to thinking, as I much I liked the Tu-22M3's theater bombing sorties, I'd much rather have their airframe lifetimes not being spent on bombing Wasabi Wahabbi's to smithereens...largely because their no longer in production and their role as Khinzhal carriers are more important. I'd much rather have a simpler theater bomber based on the Il-276 for that role.

    While a offshoot design of the Il-276 dedicated for the theater bombing role would be cool, I'd much rather have the Il-276 with a modular cargo bay that could be used to hold troops, vehicles, supplies, or be converted to drop water for fires, or dispense bomb munitions. I'm thinking a mechanized loaded pallet munition launching/dispensing system capable of carrying the whole gambit of Federation air bombs, but with a heavy emphasis on the 100-500kg family of bombs (especially the dumb cheap iron bombs), and fitted with a Gefest-T targeting system. Il-276 with the storage capacity of 40 tons, it could theoretically hold up to '80' 500kg bombs, '160' 250kg bombs, or up to '400' 100kg bombs, combined with several hours of loitering time and your talking serious insurgency/siege breaking capability. Maybe even smaller bombs could be used/developed like FAB-50's, FAB-25's, or FAB-10's to further increase payload amounts from '800', '1600', and '4000' munitions respectively. The wings could hold 4 extra fuel tanks per wing to increase extra loitering time, or may be '4' KMGU universal containers dropping '96' anti-personnel sub-munitions (384 sub-munitions in total), or a mix of both...2 fuel tanks, 2 KMGU containers. For self-defense, the Il-276 theater bomber could have wing-tip racks capable of holding '3' R-77M's per wing tips (6 in total). For greater capability, it could have the MiG-31's nose mounted radar (Zaslon-M),  also the dual Gsh-23M rear gun pod (for additional self defense).

    Theoretically speaking this configuration would easily blow the AC-130 Spooky's out the water, because like the A-10 Warthogs, some dumb designer had the brilliant idea of basing an entire aircraft design behind one gun.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4172p50-il-276-svts-medium-transport#240787

    And I received ridicule for suggesting it....well apparently there's drawings presumably from patents of a automated munition dispensing pallet for the cargo bay of Ill-476, primarily to store and launch X-101/102 cruise missiles (could probably be used for Zircons too). Such a system would be simple to make modular enough to be capable of launching dumb bombs and PGM's alike.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:40 am

    And I received ridicule for suggesting it....well apparently there's drawings presumably from patents of a automated munition dispensing pallet for the cargo bay of Ill-476, primarily to store and launch X-101/102 cruise missiles (could probably be used for Zircons too). Such a system would be simple to make modular enough to be capable of launching dumb bombs and PGM's alike.

    The Il-276 is a scaled down version of the Il-476 intended to replace the An-12, so its payload will be 20 tons rather than 40 tons.

    BTW I don't remember any ridicule regarding that suggestion, though as the drawings suggest any long weapon like a cruise missile would need to be extended out the rear of the aircraft and dropped... you could not just roll it out the back on floor rollers because they would endure bending forces that would probably damage them.

    Being able to extend them out the rear of the aircraft and then simply drop them from a level position makes much more sense and most importantly could be standardised and fitted inside any transport aircraft type with roll on and roll off capability... in fact you could do the same for a roll on roll off ferry with torpedo type weapons... though obviously in that case facing backwards...

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