"suggesting" hahaha, did I not say Su-27 derivative as the conversation went on?
You gave the Su-27 as an example and then compared it with later aircraft used in different roles like the Rafale and F-18, rather than the F-15 which is the only western aircraft directly comparable to it.
Right, so instead of discussing history I should of discussed more modern matters; such as the Su-35 and it's larger RCS compared to comparable planes.
Actually, a Su-35 will kill every Su-27 there are. A F-18E/F will kill every F-18 there are. A F-15SE will kill every F-15 there are. Gen 4.5 planes with some Stealth features are very much so better than their generic Gen 4 counterparts.
We were discussing their effect against stealth aircraft where you suggested the upgrades were both useful and worthless.
You keep thinking I'm suggesting anything, I mean what I say, a Gen 4.5 craft will fare better than it's Gen 4 counterpart.
For the Su-35's RCS estimate, look to the link above (1 m2 on the Front with X-band).
And for the F-15SE's:
"the Silent Eagle offers the same level of front-aspect stealth than the "international release version" of the JSF"
Unfortunately I was unable to find a RCS estimate of the export F-35.
Totally worthless information for aircraft that carry weapons externally.
Nope. The Su-35's frontal RCS is estimated to be 1 m2, I think, with minimal external stores, while the F-15SE's is what it is with it's internal stores.
I don't care what your opinion is, I want facts!
Interesting you will accept opinions from the web links you post above but my opinion is worthless.
Good to know.
I hazard you don't have any real military experience? Thus it is your opinion!
So you aren't denying there's no evidence that the Russians are even pursuing Plasma Stealth? Thank you.
No I am not. But clearly we are drawing different conclusions from this fact.
Now that they probably have proper funding what purpose would their be to publishing results now?
Actually now that I think about it there was mention of using Plasma Stealth to reduce RCS that was to be applied to the Su-35 and Su-34. I have had a discussion on this forum about it with someone else, but I am not in the mood to help you find it right now. Normally I am happy to share info, but when things become argumentative and I am challenged to prove something wrong I sort of feel like I am being manipulated to be their library B!tch to search for info just to prove myself.
I don't do that.
You don't need to believe me... remaining ignorant is your problem, not mine.
Ha, remaining arrogant is your problem and remaining open minded is mine. Don't pretend to be right all the time because you know you're wrong and just want to save face from this plenty ole' American.