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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:46 pm

    franco wrote:Read that Graham told a TV show that Al Queda absorbing the other Syrian rebels was a good thing as it should dilute the radicalism of Al Queda. Suspect
    Did anyone else hear this? dunno
    I'm afraid I don't care enough to do a search... plus he just raises my blood pressure to hear him or McCain talk.  No

    This tells you what sort of lunatics are running the US insane asylum. Some two bit politician is now a big time expert on the
    dynamics of fanatical groups? A research topic that even after 40 years would not be able to deliver a predictive model? Did
    he buy his degree on the internet...
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:01 pm

    franco wrote:Read that Graham told a TV show that Al Queda absorbing the other Syrian rebels was a good thing as it should dilute the radicalism of Al Queda. Suspect
    Did anyone else hear this? dunno
    I'm afraid I don't care enough to do a search... plus he just raises my blood pressure to hear him or McCain talk.  No

    one of the most smart strategies of Russia ,is to allow Jihadist that Surrender
    to move all of them to one zone. Because by mixing so many criminals and jihadist ,at times from different nationalities. then they will be fighting a lot for leadership of the group. And this mix of so many different nationalities of terrorist is a good thing. They will fight each other ,if they are convinced to a cease of fire ,because for not having anyone to fight ,they will start fighting between themselves. Cool
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:16 pm

    Oooopps, remember that US radar tracking of the Su-22 that dropped the sarin bomb? Naturally the army of independent analysts on the web got to work on it. Guess what? As the little blue sqare is the impact point, it looks like that plane was on a non compatible flight path and 2Km away from where it out to have been and on the wrong track. Aside from the questions of why the US was tracking this particular plane (unless they track all of them), how they saw its bomb dropped (drone, why there then). Maybe it was just that the US radar got it wrong.


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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:56 pm



    People need to see this.. Alex jones in powerful speech.

    EXCLUSIVE: MASSIVE US INVASION OF SYRIA HAS ALREADY BEGUN


    https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-massive-us-invasion-of-syria-has-already-begun/


    So Alex sources is saying a major movement against Assad have begun by
    US forces.

    But in RT , Rex is now again saying Assad can stay now if people supports him?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/384142-tillerson-syria-regime-change-isis/


    In any case i don't trust in Americans leadership anymore , Russia needs
    to be fully ready to fight back.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:49 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    People need to see this.. Alex jones in powerful speech.

    EXCLUSIVE: MASSIVE US INVASION OF SYRIA HAS ALREADY BEGUN


    https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-massive-us-invasion-of-syria-has-already-begun/


    So Alex sources is saying a major movement against Assad have begun by
    US forces.

    But in RT , Rex is now again saying Assad can stay now if people supports him?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/384142-tillerson-syria-regime-change-isis/


    In any case i don't trust in Americans leadership anymore , Russia needs
    to be fully ready to fight back.

    Alex Jones is fake news. However, he's an entertainer that explores different perspectives on things which is why he attracts so much attention because people are naturally interested in breaking away from the conditioning and filter of MSM. Not saying you should stop listening to him, just be skeptical of things he says. American MSM has become so garbage that Alex measures up.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:59 pm


    Tillerson has been giving literally opposing statements just hours apart.

    Folks theorize between two options:

    1) Trump & Co have been whipped into shape by McCain & Co. This means that they might actually have something on them election\Russia related that can stick (I said stick, not necessarily true of course).

    2) Trump is playing "Mad Man Theory" from Nixon's playbook to score easy points and distract from Senate investigation.

    I hope it is #2 but given the statistics I fear odds are more in favor of #1 and shit will hit the fan seriously.

    Until Tillerson visits Moscow we won't know anything but signs are more bad than good.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tillerson has been giving literally opposing statements just hours apart.

    Folks theorize between two options:

    1) Trump & Co have been whipped into shape by McCain & Co. This means that they might actually have something on them election\Russia related that can stick (I said stick, not necessarily true of course).

    2) Trump is playing "Mad Man Theory" from Nixon's playbook to score easy points and distract from Senate investigation.

    I hope it is #2 but given the statistics I fear odds are more in favor of #1 and shit will hit the fan seriously.

    Until Tillerson visits Moscow we won't know anything but signs are more bad than good.

    Yeah another flip flop.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/384142-tillerson-syria-regime-change-isis/

    Identity crisis in the flesh. It's hard to deal with this and show patience (aka freeze/inaction) because you never know if you're getting played into a con (and thus being taken advantage off). That's why naturally unpredictability is answered with a strong, resolute response - 100% confrontational.
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    Post  whir on Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:17 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Tillerson has been giving literally opposing statements just hours apart.
    They're trying to satisfy everyone riding the politically correct wave.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:46 pm



    Listen the latest report for Maria (forgot her name , the Russian spokewoman)
    of the kremlin.. she told in a major live interview ,to a politic discussion panel
    recently . That Americans warn the terrorist which places they are going to bomb, so they can escape. i warned people about this many times .
    The war against ISIS And ALqaeda by NATO is a total fraud. WOuld not be
    surprised that ERdogan is playing games too ,when he "liberated cities".

    Here is the video.. Maria explain the games US COalition plays in Syria.

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/04/airstrike-on-syria-world-is-held.html
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    Post  Azi on Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:25 am

    Russia is stepping back from yesterday statement of "red lines", they are saying that they never mentioned red lines! Step back is wrong word, they say that there was never a statement of red lines. Russia is making today clear that Russian troops in syria are not there to fight US troops, they are there to fight terrorists. So that's green light for USA and allies to bomb Assad to hell!?

    red lines - sputniknews.com
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:08 am

    Not really as peskov always plays stupid. Every mention from him is "I don't know" and that's about it. That is same thing in this article as well.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:16 am

    Azi wrote:Russia is stepping back from yesterday statement of "red lines", they are saying that they never mentioned red lines! Step back is wrong word, they say that there was never a statement of red lines. Russia is making today clear that Russian troops in syria are not there to fight US troops, they are there to fight terrorists. So that's green light for USA and allies to bomb Assad to hell!?

    red lines - sputniknews.com

    Russia was never there to fight USA. Same as USA was never in Georgia to fight Russia.

    Doesn't mean there won't be a war but if it does it will not be over Syria. It will be because one side attacked the other.
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    Post  calm on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:57 am

    Azi wrote:Russia"red lines",

    Fake news story in mainstream AND alt-media slanders Russia and Iran
    http://theduran.com/exclusive-fake-news-story-in-mainstream-and-alt-media-slandering-russia-and-iran/
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    Post  calm on Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:12 am

    good points

    If/when the US calls Russia back to the negotiating table + offer to resume aerial traffic cooperation, Russia will not hesitate to accept

    Russia is not part of the 'Resistance Axis', relations with Iran is almost exclusively as a result of mutual friend = Syria

    Russia must increase military presence in Syria and act as an ally rather than a 'guardian', differences w Iran/Hezb must also be put aside

    FSA recently cleared huge pocket in E Qalamoun -> Suwayda giving US more space (intel/military) after months of being restricted to Tanf

    US crosses from Jordan->Syria almost on a daily basis, was E Qalamoun op prep for 'Rojava' style military bases and airstrips? Safezone?


    https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/851413253401985024

    US is going to take Abu Kamal from the south and cut off Iraqi border.
    There is nothing SAA can do now.

    The Fifth Corps have been rushed from Palmyra to help slow down the jihadist advance. Tiger Force have stopped advance in east Aleppo, and US have landed on right side of Euphrates with Kurds, making Tigers offensive irrelevant.
    Even the Calamoun sheild forces are redeployed to Hama, they have been under Russian advisers training for some time, preparing to storm East Qalamoun, but because of Hama they have been stopped in right time for FSA to advance after IS retreat to Raqqa, and FSA have gained 4000 km2 of territory(giving US more space (intel/military) after months of being restricted to Tanf) .

    Interesting year ahead.


    One question, why those thousands of Iranians aren't allowed to start south Aleppo offensive? always some negotiation nonsense stop them.

    If SAA start advance toward Deir ez-Zor, the jihadists will attack them in Hama, Damascus and Aleppo again.
    Forcing SAA to stop all offensive towards East and to redeploy to defend big Cities.


    Daraa offensive is still ongoing
    SAA retreating
    Apr 8 Daraa: Al-Bunian Al-Marsous op. room releases map of Al-Manshiyah district showing locations seized today (SW. part).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:04 am

    As of now, Russia is becoming more of a hindrance to Syria than an ally. At this point, Iran needs to be more direct.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:26 am

    Bit more background on the Swedish doctors analysis of the 'gassing', but the article is not clear, as below, what is this event and what was in the past. More at link.

    SWEDHR findings have raised serious questions about the ethical integrity of the White Helmets regarding the anti-medical procedures they advertise in their videos. They behaved as war criminals when they used dead children for propaganda purposes when staging fake rescue attempts, Professor Marcello Ferrada de Noli wrote in the Indicter magazine.

    According to SWEDHR, which paid attention to "questionable" cases of chemical attacks in Aleppo, Syria, including the incident on Sarmin, Idlib, on April 15, 2015, medical rescue scenarios depicted in White Helmets videos had obviously been staged. Namely, no substance (e.g. adrenaline) was injected into the infant while the ‘medic' or doctor introduced the syringe-needle in a simulated intracardiac-injection maneuver, which was considered sufficient to raise a hypothesis that the child might in fact have died because of the injection procedure.

    While the While Helmets themselves attributed the infant deaths to chlorine gas, this was disputed by SWEDHR. Additionally, a UK doctor ventured that the deaths could instead be attributed to drug overdose, most likely opiates, the Indicter reported.


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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:44 am

    New very good and clear whole of Syria zoomable map. To those of us only partly aware of the geography of Syria it puts it in perspective.

    A direct link doesn't work.

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    Get at it from http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/archives/883
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:26 am

    miketheterrible wrote:As of now, Russia is becoming more of a hindrance to Syria than an ally. At this point, Iran needs to be more direct.

    Iran is frozen by the threat of sanctions (not from the U.S but potentially from the European lackeys at the behest of the U.S). Otherwise they would had sent a sizeable, proper force to end the charade. Iran will have to weight carefully inaction (before the point of no return) and action (with the associated cost). Russia will not commit a sizeable contingent of ground troops so that is a weakness exploited by the jihadi's and their backers on the ground. The Chinese don't want no part of the conflict even though they're the best positioned to actually make a difference if they did decide to intervene with relatively no cost (other than human lives obviously, and some ire (but not far beyond that)).

    Russia still has a positive role to play but the jig is up as far as Russia's role in this conflict - the Americans figured out which buttons to push - by finding the limits of Russian involvement. Americans are now maneuvering around those limits and pushing bit by bit to see how far they can get.

    The Kurds will be protected by american troops and the land mass that they control is huge.
    Seems now the "FSA" in the south will be as well.

    So two significant pockets of land in the north and south will become "safe zones". And by safe zones that means Assad won't be able to threaten with force the takeover of said territory - dare kill Americans in the process. Thus the Americans could posture and demand that if the country is to remain in one piece Assad must step down (which is what Tillerson refers to in his comments about seeing no future for Assad). Any (post Assad) deal will end in a huge battle between the Iranians and U.S/Saudi's/Turks/Israeli's to get their guy in and I'm pretty sure the axis of evil will plunge the country into chaos again if they don't get their guy - accepting defeat will not be an option at that point for them.

    By fear they'll get what they want - from a relative weak deck.

    The speed at which the Syrian Army makes gains is extremely poor. Poor enough that it will allow the U.S to go anywhere within rebel territory that's sufficiently safe to put a flaq and fence with a stop sign.

    Gotta admit it's a great strategy if I wasn't biased. I would play it myself but I feel I wouldn't figure the game out...merely recognize it in action.

    If there were Russian troops on the ground pushing the charge against "FSA" in the South for example there is no room for the U.S. It's a "GET THE FUCK OUT" situation for the U.S. The whole calculus changes. With Syrian/Iranian/Hezbollah personal it's another story - NO TRESPASSING ALLOWED by order of the U.S Army of Israel, greater Turkey and the Levant of Arabia.

    Assad could try a challenge but that could potentially result in a U.S invasion - an invasion in which Russia will pack its bags as soon as the bullets fly. Maybe Assad gets lucky and calls bluff on Trump. But short of an invasion the American's can do devastating things to Syria if one of their soldiers is touched.

    ------------------the positive?
    There are also reports that put the patterns we're seeing completely up side down - but that would be a master con job by Putin and Trump. We'll know soon enough.


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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:51 am

    We all know that VT can come up with some weird ideas, but sometimes their correspondents write good stuff. This is from their English barrister, Michael Shrimpton, who wrote an interesting book called Spyhunter a few years back. You might gather from a couple of his comments that he is not a fan of the Germans! This is part of his post today.

    Was It Sarin?

    I not only query Syrian involvement, indeed I don’t even regard Syria as a credible candidate for responsibility for this outrage; as presently advised I’m not buying Sarin ([(CH3)2CHO]CH3P(O)F). There are a number of arguments against Sarin. A Nazi-era nerve agent developed by our community partners IG Farben, Sarin is highly toxic – about 80 times more lethal than Zyklon-B. (Wikipedia, ludicrously, excuse IG Farben of being an accessory before the fact to war crimes by suggesting that IG Farben, arguably the most criminal corporation in history, stumbled across Sarin whilst trying to develop a new pesticide (!), a statement about as rational as suggesting that Beethoven stumbled across his magnificent Ninth Symphony whilst writing a jingle for Radio Berlin)

    The death-toll at Khan Shaykhun just isn’t high enough for Sarin – there were far too many survivors, particularly for an aerial attack, in which the nerve agent would be dispersed in lethal concentrations over a wide area. This is good news if you’re the one being gassed. If Jerry offers you a choice of WMD before gassing you, don’t ask for Sarin, go for something fluffier, like phosgene. It’s bad news for General McMaster and Reince Priebus, who flogged Sarin to President Trump, who I suspect doesn’t like being made a fool of by his subordinates.

    The next problem is the apparent lack of symptoms of Sarin poisoning in the survivors. One of the missing symptoms is diarrhea. With a Sarin attack what we like to see is lots of diarrhea. Basically a ward of survivors should look and smell like a dodgy restaurant in Delhi after a carelessly prepared curry.

    Then we have the lack of full-body suits and the apparent lack of casualties amongst the medical staff and the ironically-named White Helmets (they’re black hats pretending to be white hats). Sarin can not only be inhaled, you can have dermal absorption, i.e. through the skin. With the low level of protection seen in the broadcast images, we would be expecting casualties amongst those attending the victims.

    The child/adult ratio is also wrong, as it was at Q’ana. Seeking to cynically exploit what they see as Western sentimentalism, Islamic terrorist organisations murdering their own people for propaganda purposes usually go for a high percentage of children, the younger the better. They love murdering babies, as dead babies make good TV.

    They don’t understand us of course – sentimentalism and a love of children are signs of strength, not weakness. The strongest are usually the gentlest.

    Sukhoi Su-22

    The next issue I have is with the alleged delivery system, a Sukhoi Su-22. This aircraft could deliver a WMD package, but it’s also capable of carrying recon packages. The timings I have are: an Su-22 overhead at 0651LT, but no signs of illness or casualties until 0700LT or shortly thereafter. That timeline doesn’t work for Sarin, which is usually lethal inside 10 minutes.

    The timeline works best for Al Qaeda affiliates on the ground waiting for an early-morning recon run, then setting up an explosion with a view to putting the blame on the Syrian Air Force.

    And where are the overheads of the actual attack? We’ve been favored with plenty of overheads of the American response, but I’ve seen none of the alleged Syrian air strike. I also query why a valuable WMD package like Sarin would be entrusted to a single aircraft without a fighter escort in a combat zone like Idlib Province.

    Then you have the problem of where the Sarin came from. I’m not aware that the Syrians had a large, viable stockpile of Sarin. Most of the Syrian Sarin was shipped over from Iraq in the six months leading up to the Iraq War. We’re talking five years’ shelf life, max, for that old stuff. It’s acidic, and tricky both to store and handle.

    There is also no evidence of any large-scale movement of Sarin antidotes, such as atropine into the Khan Shaykhun area. No way was this attack not planned, even though it was probably put together in the last few weeks, as the manufactured allegations against President Trump collapsed, and Britain served her Article 50 notice. The White Helmets wouldn’t go anywhere near a Sarin attack without adequate supplies of atropine or another antidote. They’re not genuine humanitarians. I would be expecting bulk supplies of antidote being moved into the attack area in the 48 hours leading up to the attack.

    I’m thinking phosgene. I don’t think it’s mustard gas, as I don’t see much sign of blistering. At any rate I think we’re looking a much less lethal chemical agent, with respiratory ingestion only. Phosgene (COCl2) is much easier to store, it has a longer shelf life and there’s plenty of it about in Syria. It’s a much better candidate than Sarin.


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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:59 am

    Collection of good quality Su-22 photos after flying restarted

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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:08 am

    According to some that quote US air force, the US planes are now being painted by Syrian and Russian defenses and they are complaining about it (that they have to ground the jets). Makes me laugh.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:35 pm

    Looks like the SAA have taken another vital area as they expand south of Palmyra, the camel race track Laughing

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    Post  calm on Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:37 pm

    Crazy stuff in media. They need to stop this nonsense.
    BREAKING: Senior U.S. official says U.S. has concluded that Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week.

    https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/851512850677936128
    https://apnews.com/19772be1238e49fbb62c509a5b659b3d?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:57 pm

    calm wrote:Crazy stuff in media. They need to stop this nonsense.
    BREAKING: Senior U.S. official says U.S. has concluded that Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week.

    https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/851512850677936128
    https://apnews.com/19772be1238e49fbb62c509a5b659b3d?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

    Internet can be very dangerous place for mental health. I advise everyone to limit exposure. Lot's of crap flying out there.
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    Post  par far on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:59 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:As of now, Russia is becoming more of a hindrance to Syria than an ally. At this point, Iran needs to be more direct.

    Iran is frozen by the threat of sanctions (not from the U.S but potentially from the European lackeys at the behest of the U.S). Otherwise they would had sent a sizeable, proper force to end the charade. Iran will have to weight carefully inaction (before the point of no return) and action (with the associated cost). Russia will not commit a sizeable contingent of ground troops so that is a weakness exploited by the jihadi's and their backers on the ground. The Chinese don't want no part of the conflict even though they're the best positioned to actually make a difference if they did decide to intervene with relatively no cost (other than human lives obviously, and some ire (but not far beyond that)).

    Russia still has a positive role to play but the jig is up as far as Russia's role in this conflict - the Americans figured out which buttons to push - by finding the limits of Russian involvement. Americans are now maneuvering around those limits and pushing bit by bit to see how far they can get.

    The Kurds will be protected by american troops and the land mass that they control is huge.
    Seems now the "FSA" in the south will be as well.

    So two significant pockets of land in the north and south will become "safe zones". And by safe zones that means Assad won't be able to threaten with force the takeover of said territory - dare kill Americans in the process. Thus the Americans could posture and demand that if the country is to remain in one piece Assad must step down (which is what Tillerson refers to in his comments about seeing no future for Assad). Any (post Assad) deal will end in a huge battle between the Iranians and U.S/Saudi's/Turks/Israeli's to get their guy in and I'm pretty sure the axis of evil will plunge the country into chaos again if they don't get their guy - accepting defeat will not be an option at that point for them.

    By fear they'll get what they want - from a relative weak deck.

    The speed at which the Syrian Army makes gains is extremely poor. Poor enough that it will allow the U.S to go anywhere within rebel territory that's sufficiently safe to put a flaq and fence with a stop sign.

    Gotta admit it's a great strategy if I wasn't biased. I would play it myself but I feel I wouldn't figure the game out...merely recognize it in action.

    If there were Russian troops on the ground pushing the charge against "FSA" in the South for example there is no room for the U.S. It's a "GET THE FUCK OUT" situation for the U.S. The whole calculus changes. With Syrian/Iranian/Hezbollah personal it's another story - NO TRESPASSING ALLOWED by order of the U.S Army of Israel, greater Turkey and the Levant of Arabia.

    Assad could try a challenge but that could potentially result in a U.S invasion - an invasion in which Russia will pack its bags as soon as the bullets fly. Maybe Assad gets lucky and calls bluff on Trump. But short of an invasion the American's can do devastating things to Syria if one of their soldiers is touched.

    ------------------the positive?
    There are also reports that put the patterns we're seeing completely up side down - but that would be a master con job by Putin and Trump. We'll know soon enough.


    Iran is being very stupid now, who cares about the sanctions, if Syria falls, than they are coming after Iran(I don't think Iran knows this.) Also Russia should start bombing all over the country to just keep a presence(if they are not going do that train the Syrians on advanced fighter jets and let them do it.) The Kurd were always assholes and Erdogan the moron fell for the US trick.

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