Russian Orthodox Church and Christianity

No one gives a shit about your fucking issues and how shit your Poland is. Go cry for more EU handouts

BTW, Russian Orthodox Church using recycled goods is good for the earth anyway. And it's important to keep faith.

You can go cry since we all know you Catholics are hypocrites

miketheterrible wrote:No one gives a shit about your fucking issues and how shit your Poland is.  Go cry for more EU handouts

BTW, Russian Orthodox Church using recycled goods is good for the earth anyway. And it's important to keep faith.

You can go cry since we all know you Catholics are hypocrites

Yes the Polish Pope John Paul II was exposed to be covering up child molestation for decades, but Poles don't care about holding famous pedophiles accountable, just ask Roman Polanski.

Pope John Paul II was reportedly partially of ethnic Ukrainian origin.

From the Kaczorowski family.

This is not a very popular topic in Poland.


Also, this pope's popularity among ethnic Poles has considerably decreased in the recent years. The reason for this is that he essentially fooled the Poles into mindlessly handing themselves over to the Western capitalists, with very dire consequences for the Polish nation.

No religious rhetoric can hide the fact that Poles have been essentially enslaved by the West since 1989.

Like the richest one percent owning 97% of Russia's entire wealth, or the third largest wealth inequality in the world.

Does this information come from the same sources that claim Putin is a billionaire?

BTW I thought this thread was going to be about Vodka...

Odin of Ossetia wrote:


Purely symbolic bull-shit which has no impact on the real world.

Another publicity stunt by Putin.

And likewise most of the none thinking liberals will say the same and its ok.  But it is not the same and its not the stunt.

Liberals likes to make stunts in order to impress and than based on impression only take it as a reason for this or than mostly to affirm its grandiose

and while stunts last for some time affirmation of historical truths that are truths not only some time but every time i.e forever have different reasons and concepts in mind.

As taunting that once and not so long ago great victory was accomplished by their grandfathers as a truth lights in the minds of the nation and inspires confidence and determination

as to accomplish nothing less should a similar situation arouse and not only and by intuition alone we understand the fundamental difference between the army who fights with the

strength and righteousness of justice and demoralized army.

On the other hand west now has only faggots and lesbians to discuss about

magnumcromagnon wrote:
Yes the Polish Pope John Paul II was exposed to be covering up child molestation for decades, but Poles don't care about holding famous pedophiles accountable, just ask Roman Polanski.

Protestant Churches of almost all denominations did the same thing. But since they control the media, they covered up things.

jhelb wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:
Yes the Polish Pope John Paul II was exposed to be covering up child molestation for decades, but Poles don't care about holding famous pedophiles accountable, just ask Roman Polanski.

Protestant Churches of almost all denominations did the same thing. But since they control the media, they covered up things.

Are these churches also afflicted with the nonsense of celibacy? Russian and other Orthodox priests can marry and have children.
The problem of pedophilia and sodomy in the Catholic church is directly related to the ban on marriage and fornication.

Religions that call sex a sin and then demand that their flocks be fruitful and multiply are schizophrenic. Unless every
birth is a divine birth like that of the Virgin Mary, sex is central to the process. And that is why God gave men and women
genitalia, right? So God gave men and women the tools to sin as a test? That includes families having children? What utter
absurdity.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:


Purely symbolic bull-shit which has no impact on the real world.

Another publicity stunt by Putin.

Pretty much this

kvs wrote:

jhelb wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:
Yes the Polish Pope John Paul II was exposed to be covering up child molestation for decades, but Poles don't care about holding famous pedophiles accountable, just ask Roman Polanski.

Protestant Churches of almost all denominations did the same thing. But since they control the media, they covered up things.

Are these churches also afflicted with the nonsense of celibacy?   Russian and other Orthodox priests can marry and have children.  
The problem of pedophilia and sodomy in the Catholic church is directly related to the ban on marriage and fornication.  

Religions that call sex a sin and then demand that their flocks be fruitful and multiply are schizophrenic.   Unless every
birth is a divine birth like that of the Virgin Mary, sex is central to the process.   And that is why God gave men and women
genitalia, right?   So God gave men and women the tools to sin as a test?   That includes families having children?   What utter
absurdity.  

Its not so much as a problem in Orthodox Church as in a Catholic one. The thing is that sexuality in opposition to other human needs as hunger and thirst is flexible in nature.

That means that throughout ones healthy sexual development by the age of teenager when he attains heterosexual orientation one experiences every possible sexual lust still

process itself is focused toward reproduction so ultimately there it stops. So while Catholic priests willingly decide to not have any sexual act their sexuality regresses towards first

available for express itself by any means possible and the ones mentally week easily succumb to it doing all kind of crimes until they are caught. The same principle is applied

everywhere in prison inmates (pederastria), catholic schools and churches and in common society that for any number of reason prevents healthy sexual development of individual.

Orthodox priests therefore can have wifes and children by their laws and their sexual energy can have its healthy ways which is why only degenerates there make crimes which

is on much smaller magnitude in comparison with the priests in Catholic where in a sense even a healthy individual becomes sick by force of law he abides to.

flamming_python wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:


Purely symbolic bull-shit which has no impact on the real world.

Another publicity stunt by Putin.

Pretty much this

Thanks for the NATzO tinfoil hat conspiracy theory contribution to the thread.

As if Putin runs the Russian Orthodox Church.

The favourite smear of NATzO propagandists. I guess the Catholic Church is run by Washington.

https://eng.hram.mil.ru/

Main Cathedral of Russian Armed Forces shall be built by voluntary charitable donations

Putin this, Putin that. Tin foil hat retardation of the Russia haters.

kvs wrote:
As if Putin runs the Russian Orthodox Church.  

No, but they're in symbiosis with each other, mutual dependence.

Kremlin expects Israel to adhere to decision to transfer Alexander Metochion to Russia

An organization known as the Orthodox Palestine Society in the Holy Land challenged Russia's rights to the Alexander Metochion in the Old City of Jerusalem, as became known earlier

MOSCOW, April 9. /TASS/. The Kremlin is counting on Israel to remain committed to its decision to transfer the Alexander Metochion in Jerusalem to Russia.

Commenting on the decision by the Jerusalem District Court to suspend Russia’s renewal of registration for that property after a lawsuit was launched by an organization, known as the Orthodox Palestine Society in the Holy Land, that is unlawfully occupying the grounds, Russian Presidential Spokesman Dmitry Peskov recalled that "during his recent visit to Israel, Vladimir Putin thanked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the decision to transfer that compound."

"Israeli’s friendly stance was very much appreciated by both Russian believers and the church. As far as we understand, difficulties have now arisen because of the judicial appeal by one of the parties against that. Of course, we hope that Israel will remain committed to its decision to transfer that metochion. That’s very important to us," Peskov emphasized.

On January 23, Israeli Minister of Environmental Protection and Co-Chairman of the Russian-Israeli intergovernmental commission Ze’ev Elkin said that Israel had begun the legal process of registering the Alexander Metochion in the name of Russia in response to Moscow’s request.

On April 7, The Marker Israeli newspaper reported that the Jerusalem District Court had suspended the registration until the lawsuit hearing was completed.

The Alexander Metochion is located in the Old City of Jerusalem in close proximity to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. The Threshold of the Judgement Gate and the Church of St. Alexander Nevsky are located on its territory. The land for its construction was purchased by Russian Emperor Alexander II in 1859. The compound was built by the Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society in 1896. The controversy surrounding its ownership began after the 1917 Revolution in Russia.

https://tass.com/politics/1142387

The message from this Russian priest is right to the point

Viktor wrote:The message from this Russian priest is right to the point

He is half right. If the omnipotent, omniscient deity can't maintain power over this life, then it is just a theoretical abstraction.
This reality is a blend of heaven and hell. And both of those idealized limits are absurd. People would go insane in a harp
strumming all good, all the time utopia like heaven. So heaven is nonsense. Hell is absurd too since 100% pain is meaningless
especially if the soul is immortal. And humans have way too many flaws that a real creator with total knowledge and power
could have chosen to not implement. Hiding behind some alleged complexity we cannot perceive is BS, the issue is not a
perfect sentient life form, but one that is no longer afflicted with the reptilian part of the brain and other primitive instincts
that over-ride the higher evolved parts of the brain.

Humanity's problems are genetic and not spiritual.

Viktor wrote:The message from this Russian priest is right to the point

I think this is more to those people who are very arrogant and pompous.
Believing they know everything while being fully aware that they know nothing.
Lacking any real meaning in their lives.

Even i am somewhat listless at times, but i go get a hobby.

Anyway, chose God or Self-Actualization, or both.
But don't fall into a cycle Depravity

kvs wrote:

Viktor wrote:The message from this Russian priest is right to the point

He is half right.   If the omnipotent, omniscient deity can't maintain power over this life, then it is just a theoretical abstraction.
This reality is a blend of heaven and hell.   And both of those idealized limits are absurd.   People would go insane in a harp
strumming all good, all the time utopia like heaven.   So heaven is nonsense.    Hell is absurd too since 100% pain is meaningless
especially if the soul is immortal.   And humans have way too many flaws that a real creator with total knowledge and power
could have chosen to not implement.   Hiding behind some alleged complexity we cannot perceive is BS, the issue is not a
perfect sentient life form, but one that is no longer afflicted with the reptilian part of the brain and other primitive instincts
that over-ride the higher evolved parts of the brain.  

Humanity's problems are genetic and not spiritual.

At the end I agree still I would have put it with different words. While it is true that hell and haven are as far as we know abstract construction, abstract constructions have their

ways to influence and even condition human condition and that is the meaning of the priest speech. He poetically describes that human condition where one can not endure hardships

of living thus falls into abyss where he spends all the time of that life it was given to him. And for what?

Than he incorrectly proceeds to to the solution of the problem by offering God as the only choice while the problem lies elsewhere.

I could argue that in the same manner as with Haven and Hell other abstract construction can have conditioning effect on masses where of all possible meanings worth living

only "useful" ones for some would remain.

When you observe human condition (what makes ones happy, joyful, sad, mad etc) of the average western person you will still find abstract constructions and their difference in

comparison with the eastern ones is that the former does not require any effort. Its abstract construction is self centered around the simple value system that views all things

as good or bad in reference to its own pleasure thus in a pursuit of pleasure he losses its mind.

I tend to think that it is a way of the capitalists to make all subordinate persons addicted on whatever that might be and than relentlessly sell it to them. Words are more powerful

than the sword and in principle same can be applied to other nations  depriving them of their will required to do great things. People with some other value system might came

to a conclusion that it is the right way forward to make its contribution to this or that by putting effort into some kind of activity even though it means he will deprive himself of

numerous momentarily pleasures as to achieve some higher cause as he sees and what ever that might be he will not care. Still he will experience emotions

in whatever direction he choses to reach with each fundamentally step closer or further from his goal and once reach with added value stands pride for the accomplished task

that with the strength of the truth last forever and not just some time. Anyway pleasure seeking addicts will never know what emotions awaits behind the curtain as for them curtain

never rises.

Mathematically, there is no need for Heaven and Hell: the existence of one creates the condition of the other. Infinite timeless pleasure vs. infinite timeless pain.

Nothing in math states that because there isn't any knowledge in heaven or hell. Everyone has a different viewpoint of what it may be after we die. For most, it's spirituality and heaven and hell are something else - be it a realm or an idea. Hell concept is a King James creation while in old testament it was the abyss - eternal darkness.  Heaven was that you are forever with God. Nothing stayed was pure pleasure. Just that your soul is forever with our Creator.  Other religions like Hinduism believe similar but in the God that the individual worships - be it Shiva, Hanuman, Krishna, etc. Spirituality by others like believed in Japan is your soul just goes with everyone else to another structure much like Christianity has with Purgatory where it's more or less the world we live in now (hence the belief in ghosts and what other stuff).

I believe in a God of sort. Which God? Don't know as I'm agnostic. I believe something created us and only because what I learned in Math of probability sure points that chance and probability of what is now is less chance than winning the lottery by a grand scale.

But as to what happens to us after we die? Don't know. I think we continue but not in what we all may think.

To state what we know is bullshit simply because we don't.  There is faith and I have mine as some have theirs in having faith there is nothing. To state that "Mathematics states that...." Is horseshit and is just flat out lying.  Chance and probability are only two aspects of math that are real in explaining a situation. And since H & H are faith based it's nearly impossible to calculate. Probably on same terms as the big bang. Maybe even less.

The problem with religion (as opposed to spirituality and the potential for supernatural) is that it is a bunch of regular humans acting
like they have a direct line to a deity. No amount of holy books and ritualistic enactment gives any evidence for the existence of
this or that deity. It is all subjective and should not dominate human acceptance of this reality.

What gets under my skin is some clown like one of the Catholic bishops in Central America telling the poor masses that this "temporal"
existence does not matter (i.e. it would not matter even if they were slaves) and it is only the precious afterlife that counts. This
is pure BS, obnoxious and reeking of pig excrement. To claim that this "temporal" reality is some pop quiz for human souls is
grotesque. The deity is clearly sadistic if it is OK for slavery and suffering all life long just as long as you die right. The above
quoted preacher is dancing around this problem by somehow fobbing off suffering onto Satan. According to the Bible Satan is
locked up and Satan being an angel was created by God and could have been erased by Him. Christianity hides behind the
"Lord works in mysterious" ways fig leaf but that only makes its message weak. The omnipotent and omniscient God could have
made Satan's prison total so then there would be no excuse about misery in the "temporal" reality being all the work of the Devil.
No it is, by definition, the work of God.

Peddling a potentiality in lieu of cold hard reality is the biggest sin of all. The afterlife cannot be established so the squandering
of this life is inexcusable.

Technically a priest sole job was to just help people understand gods words. Wasn't they had some direct link. Down the line corruption took over and these people felt they had more powers than anything else.

And I believe the test that God overlooks as per the faith indicates was simply to live life as what one classifies as a good person based upon the 10 commandments. Suffering isn't one of those. Suffering was supposed to be Christ's punishment for mankind and not mankind itself.

So much has been skewed over thousands of years that very few know or remember the nitty gritty of how it was supposed to work. Corruption takes over.

Regarding the morning star, dunno about him/her/it. In some scriptures it forever floats in the abyss. Mankind's faults are of its own just like the faults of anything else.

I have faith in a form of this isn't the end. But telling people "hey, take the punch to the face in good faith and follow what everyone else is doing so you'll go to heaven" is bullshit. Yeah, a lot of preachers spread that crap.

Then religion also used for evil such as in Ukraine.

The main temple of the Armed Forces of Russia. Absolutely stunning and monumental!

Excellent progress and I love the colour scheme and the museum elements in the orbiting buildings.

All the fucks who pour excrement on this monument expose themselves to be the vermin that they are.

beautiful

Amazingly beautiful.

I must visit this holy place in my lifetime.