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    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update

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    Post  eehnie Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:34 am

    Finally, it seems that the ships of the Project 22350 are entering in the size of the current Destroyers of the Russian Navy fleet, despite to be called Frigate, and even there is a plan for a bigger variant. It seems to be the right ship to replace the current Destroyers, wich means the Project 21956 definitely ruled out.

    The following list includes all the combat ships under production, no matter the timeline. Some of the ships maybe for export, but the buyer is not clear still. The list includes not reparations. The list includes not auxiliary ships for the Russian Navy, and between them, includes not low armed patrol ships.

    Update of the ships under construction by role:

    36 - Warships:
    1 - Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)
    4 - Project 11356 Frigate
    1 - Project 11660/11661 Frigate (1 more not-completed)
    8 - Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    4 - Project 21631 Corvette (1 more not completed)
    6 - Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    6 - Project 22160 Frigate
    6 - Project 22800 Corvette
    0 - Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer
    0 - Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier

    15 - Submarines:
    1 - Project 949/09852 Nuclear Submarine (5 more not-completed)
    2 - Project 677 Conventional Submarine
    5 - Project 955 Nuclear Submarine
    6 - Project 885/08851 Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Submarine

    17 - Minesweepers:
    3 - Project 1265 (2 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 10750
    1 - Project 12255 (1 more not-completed)
    7 - Project 12700

    10 - Amphibious:
    1 - Project 11770/11771 (Azov shipyard, Mariupol)
    6 - Project 21820
    1 - Project 02510
    2 - Project 11711
    0 - Project ????? Lavina
    0 - Project ????? Priboi

    7 - Missile Boats:
    6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat
    1 - Project 12300 Missile Boat

    85 - Ships under construction. Some maybe to export.

    As commented other times, Russia is becoming ready to afford the high number of decommissions that should come after 2024 and more intensely after 2030. Until then the rythm of commissions and decommissions is being low, as expected, as planned.

    I do not expect cancellations. It means loses. Even the ships with longer timeline under construction should be completed for the Russian Navy or to export, in order to avoid loses.

    I expect a low number of orders in the State Armament Program 2018-2025. The minimum number of orders of new ships necessary to reach a capability of building every type of combat ship by the end of 2025, would be 1 Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier and 1 Project 23460 Cruiser/Destroyer. In my opinion this is an important goal for Russia. Also I expect some order of big amphibious ships.


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    Post  George1 Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:46 am

    Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)
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    Post  eehnie Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:53 am

    George1 wrote:Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)

    I saw some news about the Project 22160 armed with Kalibr missiles. It would make a difference for this ship. It will be necessary to confirm.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:06 am

    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)

    I saw some news about the Project 22160 armed with Kalibr missiles. It would make a difference for this ship. It will be necessary to confirm.


    Confirmed long ago. It's a container system, both options are available. Kalibr back, Uran front:

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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:56 am

    2nd LADA class (project 677) submarine KRONSHTADT will be launched in 2018

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4324435

    Also, the second IVAN PAPANIN (Project 23550) class military icebreaker will be laid down in 2018. Name is NIKOLAI ZUBOV
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    Post  eehnie Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:06 am

    Finnishing the process of reduction of the combat fleet of the Russian Navy, the logical situation for the following years would be a situation of stability in the fleet.

    Taking into account that the ships of the 1980s can have still some renovation, update and upgrade, that can make them useful until the 2030s, we can expect a low amount of old ships to retire before 2024-2025. The logical situation for the following years would be a situation with low number of decommissions and low number of commissions, and a process of replacement ship by ship (which mean not to be identical or totally equivalent ships). As example, in 2016, it were 4 decommissions (1 by sale) and 5 commissions, and in the first half of 2017, it has not been decommissions and commissions in the combat fleet of the Russian Navy.




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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:13 pm


    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

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    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?
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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:15 pm

    Annual report of the Northern BCP for 2016. The development of a draft outline for a prospective NC

    06/03/2017 Open for public access Annual report of JSC Northern PKB for 2016.

    The most significant information in the report is the data on the 100% technical readiness for the outline of the draft design of the ship 23560 (a prospective vessel of the ocean zone) at the end of 2016. Other names mentioned in the various documents: Research Leader, Leader, Leader-1, "Leader-St. Petersburg").

    The main indicators for the types of work planned in 2016 are given in the following table:
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat
    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    Possibly, though its a fair bit smaller and doesn't (apparently) have the anti-personnel acoustic sensors or grenade-launchers typically used against saboteurs (ie frogmen), though these could be fitted of course.

    Anyhow, its not like the Grachonok are old vessels (first builds from 2008 or so), unless they are a bit on the pricey side for their role?
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

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    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    This model was shown at previous exhibitions. Nothing new.
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    Post  medo Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

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    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    No, they are made for different tasks. Grachonok is sea going anti-divers boat, while 12130 is river going patrol boat.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:53 pm

    medo wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/12130M_MVMS-2017_02.jpg


    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    No, they are made for different tasks. Grachonok is sea going anti-divers boat, while 12130 is river going patrol boat.

    How much need is there for river boats like these in modern war?

    Woul Coast Guard be interested in them?
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    Post  eehnie Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/12130M_MVMS-2017_02.jpg


    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    No, they are made for different tasks. Grachonok is sea going anti-divers boat, while 12130 is river going patrol boat.

    How much need is there for river boats like these in modern war?

    Woul Coast Guard be interested in them?

    Yes, the Russian Coast Guard has the 4 that have been built in the last 20 years. In the fleet of the Amur River.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:29 pm

    WARNING

    Brace yourselves for a flurry of news during the next few days.
    On the anniversary of the Navy day (this Sunday), there will be a number of Naval Parades in various bases.

    The more interesting news will be about a number of new vessels being laid down, launched or commissioned.

    Watch for surprises.
    You have been warned.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:02 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:WARNING

    Brace yourselves for a flurry of news during the next few days.
    On the anniversary of the Navy day (this Sunday), there will be a number of Naval Parades in various bases.

    The more interesting news will be about a number of new vessels being laid down, launched or commissioned.

    Watch for surprises.
    You have been warned.

    I fully expect to see that new Star Destroyer being built now,
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:13 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:WARNING

    Brace yourselves for a flurry of news during the next few days.
    On the anniversary of the Navy day (this Sunday), there will be a number of Naval Parades in various bases.

    The more interesting news will be about a number of new vessels being laid down, launched or commissioned.

    Watch for surprises.
    You have been warned.

    Well with that announcement I expect nothing less than Super Gorshkov and Avalanche LHD

    And crapload of Derzkii corvettes 

    But that's just me, I easily get excited by red font
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:35 pm

    I don't promise anything...not even the Death Star.

    Here is a small teaser in the meanwhile.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:WARNING

    Brace yourselves for a flurry of news during the next few days.
    On the anniversary of the Navy day (this Sunday), there will be a number of Naval Parades in various bases.

    The more interesting news will be about a number of new vessels being laid down, launched or commissioned.

    Watch for surprises.
    You have been warned.

    Well with that announcement I expect nothing less than Super Gorshkov and Avalanche LHD

    And crapload of Derzkii corvettes 

    But that's just me, I easily get excited by red font

    I would not expect any Super Gorvs they haven't even commissioned a normal one yet, and an LHD well maybe..... if they fully intend to get one in the fleet by 2022 then they need to start now and not screw up with time tables. Then it would have to be laid down now.

    I have my doubts russia can build that thing in four years but hey they are welcome to prove me wrong.
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    Post  Benya Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:13 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:WARNING

    Brace yourselves for a flurry of news during the next few days.
    On the anniversary of the Navy day (this Sunday), there will be a number of Naval Parades in various bases.

    The more interesting news will be about a number of new vessels being laid down, launched or commissioned.

    Watch for surprises.
    You have been warned.

    Great news thumbsup

    I also expect some new contracts to land.
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:09 am

    The first "surprise" happened:

    GROMKY (pr. 20380) was launched in the Far East

    http://www.komcity.ru/forum/news/?id=60076
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96340/



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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:43 pm

    BREAKING NEWS

    the 7th unit of the Yasen class nuclear submarine has been laid down in Sevmash (Severodvinsk).
    The name is ULYANOVSK

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:07 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:BREAKING NEWS

    the 7th unit of the Yasen class nuclear submarine has been laid down in Sevmash (Severodvinsk).
    The name is ULYANOVSK
    ...........

    3 more to go until magical number, c'mon guys, Rubin class did it, it's lame to stop at single digits Cool
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:BREAKING NEWS

    the 7th unit of the Yasen class nuclear submarine has been laid down in Sevmash (Severodvinsk).
    The name is ULYANOVSK
    ...........

    3 more to go until magical number, c'mon guys, Rubin class did it, it's lame to stop at single digits Cool

    Frankly for the Ruskies I'd like to see 14 Yasens but 10 is what they should build minimum.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:38 pm

    ...The construction of Russia’s universal fifth-generation Husky-class multi-purpose nuclear submarine is expected to begin in 2023-2024...

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707281055958464-russia-fifth-generation-nuclear-submarine/


    That's plenty of time for double digit Yasens and definitely for double digit Boreis (maybe even SSGN variant of Borei in the mix)

    What do more knowledgeable than me among you guys think? confused
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:53 pm

    BREAKING

    2 Kilo class submarines (intended for the Pacific Fleet) have been laid down at Admiralski Werf in St. Petersburg. The names are:

    - PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY
    - VOLKHOV

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