but it's still Delta IV (Stretched)
rambo54 wrote:I know -
but it's still Delta IV (Stretched)
Russian Pacific Fleet nuclear sub successfully live-fires sea-launched ICBM
The nuclear sub’s successful test-firing showed high level of the Pacific Fleet submarine forces’ readiness
MOSCOW, October 12. /TASS/. The Russian Pacific Fleet’s Project 667BDR (Kalmar class) Georgy Pobedonosets nuclear submarine has successfully live-fired a sea-launched intercontinental ballistic missile from the Sea of Okhotsk at the Chizha practice range in north Russia, the press office of Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.
"The launch was carried out from the submerged position. The missile’s warhead arrived at the Chizha practice range in north Russia at the designated time," the press office said.
The nuclear sub’s successful test-firing showed "the high level of the Pacific Fleet submarine forces’ readiness and confirmed the efficiency of the system of the sea-based strategic nuclear forces’ combat control," the Defense Ministry said.
"The actions of the commander and the crew of the nuclear submarine Georgy Pobedonosets have been recognized as professional and competent. The crew is ready to accomplish tasks as part of the constant alert forces," the Defense Ministry said.
What are the odds of these Deltas being converted into arsenal ships/missile farms?
They may no longer pass the mustard as SSBNs but having 50+ Kalibr missiles on proven available ship with skeleton crew will definitely come in handy in the era of neocolonial wars we have boldly entered.
Better go for a converted Borei class. wrote:
Arrow wrote:Borey has a problem with Bulava missile.
Viktor wrote:Arrow wrote:Borey has a problem with Bulava missile.
What problem? Its being solved.
The thing is that Rubin thinks its more reasonable to allocate more funds for 5th gen subs than modernization of the projects development of the 70ies
especially when you have limited resources and once Boreis are here to stay and I agree with them. Still Delta class could still have its useful applications.
That is what I was talking about. They are poor SSBNs by today's standards due to noise but they can used as arsenal ships. Noise would not matter in this role.
And when I say that I do not mean convert them into attack subs like Isos assumed. They can't be used for that (too loud and slow)
I mean replace ICBM tubes with UKSK launchers (a lot of them) staff them with basic crew (targets will be received from other ships and many other functions will not be needed in this role) and use them as mobile warehouse for LACMs. They can be as loud as surface vessels in this role but it would be irelevant since diving would no longer be priority because they would be practically used as surface ships.
Just look at Syria. One cruiser and pair of frigates or corvettes supported by this modified sub would be very useful. Ships provide data, sub stays behind and launches missiles. Once it's out of missiles it goes back to port while other ships stay on duty with full load of their missiles loaded and ready.
They would not be as useful in near-peer conflicts but they would be great for these low-tier wars. Three ships instead of whole group. Especially when you take Russia's lack of aircraft carriers into account. And if they develop some cheaper simpler LACM even better. Makes you think?
Scraping these ships would be wasteful. They could be used for something else as well like mothership for spy subs (e.g. Podmoskovlye). There should be other options as well.
GarryB wrote:Well they might not be as quiet as newer subs but an arsenal ship with the sub equivalent of UKSK tubes could easily be used in a conventional war as a bomb truck with 3000km range land attack cruise missiles but could be used in WWIII with supersonic and hypersonic anti ship missiles as a sort of mobile coastal battery...
No carrier would get very close with that sort of threat around...
A skeleton crew could be used as targets could be detected via satellite (ie carriers and carrier groups) and the target data could be used to position the sub for a launch if the targets try to move too close...
And as a bonus it has sonar and torpedo tubes for basic self-defense against other vessels should SHTF. More than Zumwalt when you think about it. Not bad for old and (by now) cheap to operate sub.
About that idea of converting Deltas into SSGNs Ohio-style apparently USSR has done it before with Project 667AT Grusha/Yankee Notch class SSBN which were converted to SSGN armed with 3K10 Sampson SLCMs
More food for thought