Syrian Civil War: News #4

Firebird wrote:

I don't think Russia has asked, and I don't think China needs to intervene at this stage.
Only at a later date may it be an attractive proposition for Russia.

Russia is saying "I am big enough to handle this". Syria is a Russian sphere of influence, not China's.
It would look wrong for Russia if China came along got involved. I think this is what Russia wants.

Now if Russia hit Turkey and all NATO got meddling, or the US did, then China would stand by Russia's side.

And where things count, China has voiced its support for Russia, inc re Syria.

So you think that if Turkey and Russia start a war and NATO helps Turkey , China can be
any help to Russia by being in Asia?  Absolutely not. China needs to be in the Syrian coast
with at least one warship..helping RUssia security zone.

You have been living under a rock if you say Russia have not been asking help. I can see
every week Putin asking for help in vain ,because no one listen.  

Russia is saying "I am big enough to handle this"

The most silly thing i have ever heard.  
Now you are making things up.. You really think Russia likes to be alone in the middle east dealing with a NATO coalition that grows by the time? dealing with a major problem that will affect the entire world.. including CHina and India too You think that RUssia will not appreciate if China or India navy was in the Syrian coast helping Russia in the defense at least of its navy ?

Do you know of anyone who will go alone to a big fight and not appreciate friends to help?
Be real dude.  If a major war start between Russia and NATO ,Russia will be 100% alone..
and it is this lack of support to Russia ,real support.. not just Bullshit empty words in air conditioner office in China. What makes US to increase its hostilities towards Russia and Syria.
But had there been a big coalition in Russia side.. it will give second thought to the nations trying to destroy Syria to continue.

All this fight on ISIS dude cost a lot of money ,dude.. that Russia will prefer to invest
on its own country and it is expensive because Russia is alone..and no other nation sharing
any responsibility in dealing with a global problem created by Americans  ,and helping in create pressure for them to stop their illegal war in Syria. IS pure cowardice,What China ,India and other major powers are doing.. totally shameful.  Is pathetic to see nations that can do a lot of help doing nothing to pressure US to stop its illegal war .  I guess that if the world depended of people like you ,we are will be doomed , because no one will do nothing or share any responsibility for problems that will also affect them directly. Is not just a middle east war..
but the early start of world war 3..and it will affect directly China , and India too ,because they have muslin populations. But also all the world too . It will affect the quality of life of every human being on this planet ..and Russia is literary saving the world there alone with a little help of IRAN.

Vann,

too much pessimism mate.

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SAA have taken control of Rweiset Ya'qoub north of Al-Ziyarah in #Latakia countryside
https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/674316111203188736

Solncepek wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:Rumors SAA allies loosing Banes and that Al Eis has been hit with VBIED.

Its not rumor,but cruel reality.
SAA once again failed miserably...

Quoting myself, the rumor is yet to be confirmed... I sense the insurgents may put it out there to cover their losses in the area. In any case here's a new map that factors it in:



SAA and co, have lost significant ground around Al Eis at the SW tip of their recent gains. But they gained some ground towards Zerbah (not fully shown in this map). We may need to give it a few days for the front to stabilize.

South Front update

OK another Mike Whitney article, very topical this one. Here are its conclusions. Looks as if its gonna get real nasty.

Blackmail? Is that what we’re talking about, blackmail?

It sure sounds like it.

Let’s summarize: Erdogan intentionally releases tens of thousands of Syrian refugees into Europe to put pressure on EU politicians who quickly lose the support of their people and face the meteoric rise of right wing parties. And then, the next thing you know, Merkel, Hollande and every other EU leader is looking to cut a deal with Erdogan to keep the refugees in Turkey.

Isn’t that how it all went down? Except we’re missing one important factoid here, because according to the first op-ed “The increase in military cooperation within NATO… and the piling up of NATO forces near Turkey’s border”…took place in parallel with the deal between Ankara and the Brussels.”

Get it? So there was a quid pro quo that no one wants to talk about. In other words, Germany, France and the UK agreed to support Erdogan’s loony plan to conduct military operations in Syria, risking a serious dust-up with Russia, in order to save their own miserable political careers.

Boy, if that doesn’t take the cake, than I don’t know what does.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article53230.html

^^^

Yeah, that about sums up the position of the EU I think

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d4_1448188374

"[i]THE SYRIAN AL-QAEDA GROUP “JABHAT AL-NUSRA” HAS POSTED A NEW VIDEO VIA THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS IN ORDER TO ISSUE A “THANK YOU” TO THEIR ALLIES FROM THE U.S. BACKED “FREE SYRIAN ARMY” (FSA) FOR SUPPLYING THEIR JIHADIST FIGHTERS WITH THE U.S. MANUFACTURED ANTI-TANK TOW MISSILES.

In the video, a Jabhat Al-Nusra field commander is thanking one of his comrades from the U.S. backed Free Syrian Army for providing these anti-tank TOW missiles that succored the Al-Qaeda affiliated group against the Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) large tank battalions in northern Syria.


For several months, the Free Syrian Army and Jabhat Al-Nusra have colluded together at almost every single battle in the Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, and Idlib Governorates of Syria; this Islamist pact eventually turned into a conglomerate of rebel forces that was known “Jaysh Al-Fateh” (Army of Conquest). Through Jaysh Al-Fateh, groups like Jabhat Al-Nusra and Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham have been given access to the Free Syrian Army’s heavy weaponry that was manufactured in the U.S. and provided by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Jabhat Al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army are very close with one another, as they coordinate on the battlefield and share the same trenches – they even share control over the villages they capture together."

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1617742.html

At a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the evening on 8 December 2015, the Minister of defence of Russia Sergey Shoigu, in addition to messages about the attack on targets of terrorists in Syria with cruise missiles, sea-based complex "Caliber-SUBMARINE" a submarine "Rostov-on-don", also saidthat "in the past three days, Russian aircraft, including strategic bombers Tu-22, flew more than 300 sorties and struck more than 600 of the objectives of different nature". "All flights are accompanied by a fighter aircraft – Sukhoi su-30", – said Sergey Shoigu.

According to the Ministry of defense of Russia in the official video about these actions, long-range bombers Tu-22 m3 took off from the airfield of Mozdok.

Somebody asked where is Russian AF...Shoigu answered

Russian MoD th of Dec



RT 8th Dec Sukhois in Syria




and here TV Russia 24 7th Dec

Su-24 black box:

The President has ordered the defense Minister to open the parametric recorder with su-24 shot down Turkish air force, only in the presence of international experts. "As for parametric Grapher, we now see it. It's been opened?" - asked Putin at a meeting with the Minister of defence. "I ask you not to open, and to open it only in conjunction with foreign experts, all carefully locked," he instructed the President. Transcript parametric campestanol to determine the exact trajectory of its movement, and where was he at the time of destruction, said the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.



Источник: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/65046-parametricheskiy-samopisec-sbitogo-su-24-obnaruzhen-i-predstavlen-prezidentu-rf.html
Politikus.ru

how now ministry of truth form fashington will deny of gay wolves ambush?



Launching cruise missiles from a submarine "Rostov-on-don" on targets of terrorists in Syria
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1617651.html





BTW Price of crude going below 40 is again next level of aggression against Russia. Is this because fashington junta is getting short of time before inevitable collapse?

I hope Russian/Iran more intensively support Houtis in Yemen so Sudis are eliminated

Guards missile cruiser "Varyag", who is currently in India involved in Russian-Indian naval exercise "Indra" will go to Syria.


Источник: http://politikus.ru/army/65070-rossiya-napravit-v-siriyu-raketnyy-kreyser-varyag.html
Politikus.ru

subs, 2 cruisers...stakes get higher

are igil criminals going to Libya?
An interesting hypothesis was recently raised, Jafar Handbase – Iranian expert on the countries of North Africa. He suggested that the coming steps of the Islamic State will be associated with the expansion in Libya, probably near the town of Sirte
The assumption is actually interesting. Because, as we have seen, VKS RF, there are now quite successfully, and pinpoint strikes on the positions of the Islamic State not only threatened the existence of terrorists, but also made me think about the competence of Western States in the fight against extremists. The main prerequisites to mass migration of terrorists in Africa can be called for two reasons: oil and VKS RF. The terrorists of the IG, who called their order the service of Allah and adherence to the fundamental principles of Islam, in fact, have nothing to do with Islam itself, and Allah never asked you to kill for him. Therefore, it is the usual gang of bandits, who does not fight for independence or the desire to defend their rights, they fight for other purposes.

Источник: http://politikus.ru/events/65091-vks-rossii-zastavlyaet-ig-pereehat-v-liviyu.html
Politikus.ru

Well such a shame what poor Erdogan jr will odd now? he has to hire tankers !

PapaDragon wrote:
You are reading too much into oil price. Besides, I am sure Saudis and Qataris are very happy with new oil price and they can always go back to agriculture and industry....oh wait...

Saudis or Qatar goes down? (w)hookers    

Sad that there is little lever on Qatar  
From the other hand maybe this would finally  force Russia govt ot listen to Glazyev?  

PapaDragon wrote:
ALSO:



''Syria rebels begin evacuating last Homs district under deal''

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-rebels-begin-evacuating-last-homs-district-under-063756692.html

Apparently terrain gains is more important that killing scum - now Kerry wants immediate ceasefire (with whom ISIS?)[/quote]

Matvienko: Russia is ready to take measures to close the border of Turkey and Syria

RIA NOVOSTI THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION PREPARED WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF MILITARY COOPERATION WITH FRANCE, IRAQ, JORDAN TO TAKE MEASURES TO ENSURE THE CLOSURE OF THE BORDER BETWEEN TURKEY AND SYRIA — MATVIYENKO

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151209/1338955874.html#ixzz3tp1pRrDg

even better below:

RIA NOVOSTI THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION KNOWS ABOUT THE USE OF TURKISH TERRITORY TO TRADE WITH IG AND OF TRAINING MILITANTS FOR OPERATIONS NOT ONLY IN SYRIA BUT ALSO IN THE NORTH CAUCASUS – LAVROV

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151209/1338976058.html#ixzz3tpMcpTM8

HQs of the Russian Federation in Syria in the past day attacked the 204 objects
16:0609.12.20150

MOSCOW, 9 Dec — RIA Novosti. Russian aircraft of the air group for Air and space forces (VKS) Russia in Syria over the past day has made 82 sorties from an airbase "Hamim", inflicting air strikes on 204 targets of the terrorists, said Wednesday the official representative of the Ministry of defense of Russia major-General Igor Konashenkov.

"For the past day the planes of Air and space forces of Russia completed 82 sorties on 204 targets of the terrorists in the Syrian Arab Republic, located in the provinces of Aleppo, Idlib, Latakia, Hama and HOMS. With 32 sorties by Russian planes is made at night", — said the representative of the defense Ministry.

Combat missions in Syria on facilities of the terrorist group "Islamic state" (in the Arabic version of DAIS prohibited in Russia) make the su-24M, su-25SM and su-34. All flights of bombers and attack aircraft cover the su-30.

Konashenkov noted that after combat missions all aircraft of the Russian air group successfully returned to the base Hamim.



РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria_mission/20151209/1339039814.html#ixzz3tpRNAGQP

No signs that rebels took Banes (apart from some tweets yesterday).
Also SAA and friends seem to be still fighting for Al Zerbah, anyone has proof that town is taken?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html#v-1005669583935587312

No need for conspiracy theories, just solid proof. Israel is an ally of the wahabists, it's been since the start of the conflict.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
RIA NOVOSTI THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION KNOWS ABOUT THE USE OF TURKISH TERRITORY TO TRADE WITH IG AND OF TRAINING MILITANTS FOR OPERATIONS NOT ONLY IN SYRIA BUT ALSO IN THE NORTH CAUCASUS – LAVROV

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151209/1338976058.html#ixzz3tpMcpTM8

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wow..

This is really a big one..

In other words second man  ,and top diplomat of Russia ,and most trusted by all Russians
and political parties.. is right there preparing the Russian Federation citizens for a justification
of Russia starting a major war against Turkey if ,they take the decision to do it.. and they continue the aggression against Russia.

Hopefully now Russian citizens will stop traveling to Turkey that helps their economy
so that they can buy more weapons and send more terrorist to kill Russian citizens

Reports coming that al-zerbeh and khan thouman have been captured in south aleppo.

Monarchist wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html#v-1005669583935587312

No need for conspiracy theories, just solid proof. Israel is an ally of the wahabists, it's been since the start of the conflict.

Yup, that is the Israeli AF CasEvac system saving terrorists. And they allowed it to be filmed!!!

Pretty good summary article on Syrian war :

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/09/destroying-syria-to-create-sunnistan/

Destroying Syria to Create Sunnistan

Some interesting excerpts:

"the war on terror is a public relations fig leaf designed to conceal Washington’s attempt to rule the world. It’s impossible to make sense of goings-on around the globe without some grasp of how seemingly random acts of violence and terror fit within the broader and more comprehensive geopolitical strategy to create a new unipolar world order, to crush all emerging rivals, and to extend US full-spectrum-dominance across the planet."


"The message the US military is sending with these lethal attacks is that it wants to control the air-space over east Syria where it plans to remove ISIS and establish a de facto Sunni state consistent with its scheme to break Syria and Iraq into smaller cantons governed by local warlords, Islamic fanatics, and US puppets. "


"Turkey’s invasion of Iraq signals the beginning of a long-term occupation that will likely expand to Mosul. This will establish a critical beachhead for controlling resources and pipeline corridors that will keep the oil flowing through Turkey and on to the southern port of Ceyhan."


"First of all, there is no way that Turkey launched the incursion without first getting the thumbs-up from Washington. We all know how violently the Obama administration reacted when Moscow defended Crimea following the CIA-backed coup in Kiev. "


" it looks like an agreement has been struck between Turkey, the KRG and the United States to seize parts of northern Iraq and eastern Syria to create a de facto Sunni state that will be jointly-controlled by Ankara and Washington."


Pretty much spot on. The master plan on entire war now is to create some freaky sunni IS(lamic)rael inside non sunni triangle (Syria,Iran, Iraq ). So they can steal oil "legally" and further destabilize this region.

And about Barzani's KRG , pic that says more than thousands words:

Another slap in the face of trolls..



The Russian MoD with help of Syrian army have started a probe and will release evidence that the US coalition weapons were used in the attack in the Syrian base. That will put and end all the conspiracies that the Russian military does not know which targets they are bombing.  

https://www.rt.com/news/325179-coalition-jets-syrian-army-attack/

The attack according to Syrian military happened by "coincidence" after ISIS began an assault on Syrian army positions and began asking for help by radio . For anyone who have been following
the conflict since 2011 is obvious US coalition is a fraud ,and they have been arming ISIS and other moderate terrorist groups since American NGOS and armed gangs began with the violence and unrest in Syria in 2011. IS not surprise that the first thing Obama blocked from Syria before any sanction was its media ,so people cannot be aware of the fake revolution that began from abroad.

The message the US military is sending with these lethal attacks is that it wants to control the air-space over east Syria where it plans to remove ISIS and establish a de facto Sunni state consistent with its scheme to break Syria and Iraq into smaller cantons governed by local warlords, Islamic fanatics, and US puppets. "

The sunni state alternative can be also in IRAQ near Syria border in Anbar region ,this is the place were Americans Airforce does NOT allow ,the IRAQ army to enter.  under the pretext that they are training people there.

Kadmos45 wrote:Pretty good summary article on Syrian war :

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/09/destroying-syria-to-create-sunnistan/

Destroying Syria to Create Sunnistan

Some interesting excerpts:

"the war on terror is a public relations fig leaf designed to conceal Washington’s attempt to rule the world. It’s impossible to make sense of goings-on around the globe without some grasp of how seemingly random acts of violence and terror fit within the broader and more comprehensive geopolitical strategy to create a new unipolar world order, to crush all emerging rivals, and to extend US full-spectrum-dominance across the planet."


"The message the US military is sending with these lethal attacks is that it wants to control the air-space over east Syria where it plans to remove ISIS and establish a de facto Sunni state consistent with its scheme to break Syria and Iraq into smaller cantons governed by local warlords, Islamic fanatics, and US puppets. "


"Turkey’s invasion of Iraq signals the beginning of a long-term occupation that will likely expand to Mosul. This will establish a critical beachhead for controlling resources and pipeline corridors that will keep the oil flowing through Turkey and on to the southern port of Ceyhan."


"First of all, there is no way that Turkey launched the incursion without first getting the thumbs-up from Washington. We all know how violently the Obama administration reacted when Moscow defended Crimea following the CIA-backed coup in Kiev. "


" it looks like an agreement has been struck between Turkey, the KRG and the United States to seize parts of northern Iraq and eastern Syria to create a de facto Sunni state that will be jointly-controlled by Ankara and Washington."


Pretty much spot on. The master plan on entire war now is to create some freaky sunni IS(lamic)rael inside non sunni triangle (Syria,Iran, Iraq ). So they can steal oil "legally" and further destabilize this region.

And about Barzani's KRG , pic that says more than thousands words:

I have been saying this all along, this is what the Zionists wanted, if Iraq was smart they would ask Russia for help. Sunni's are sell outs and will sell their own mother if given the chance. Barzani's KRG are NATO assholes, always have been and will always be.

Why should Kurds favor Russia? The thing KRG wants the most is the highest possible level of autonomy or independence - and KRG does not have reasons to favor Russia more than America - if history taught Kurds anything, it's that they can't trust their neighboors. US and Israel are not a danger to Kurds.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why should Kurds favor Russia? The thing KRG wants the most is the highest possible level of autonomy or independence - and KRG does not have reasons to favor Russia more than America - if history taught Kurds anything, it's that they can't trust their neighboors. US and Israel are not a danger to Kurds.

Which Kurds we're talking about? KRG's current leadership is sold out to Turkey after they failed to back the Saddam guys after the Shia takeover.
The Syrian Kurds, the PKK in all countries (Turkey, Iran, Syria) are very happy to have the Russians help them especially if that gives them a KRG style area in Turkey. Thing that clearly doesn't help the Syrian affair, but makes the Turkish meddling more costly. Also the PKK and the rest will not stop anyway, they will bust the Turks whenever they want or need to. So it's almost a free range.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why should Kurds favor Russia? The thing KRG wants the most is the highest possible level of autonomy or independence - and KRG does not have reasons to favor Russia more than America - if history taught Kurds anything, it's that they can't trust their neighboors. US and Israel are not a danger to Kurds.

Which Kurds we're talking about? KRG's current leadership is sold out to Turkey after they failed to back the Saddam guys after the Shia takeover.
The Syrian Kurds, the PKK in all countries (Turkey, Iran, Syria) are very happy to have the Russians help them especially if that gives them a KRG style area in Turkey. Thing that clearly doesn't help the Syrian affair, but makes  the Turkish meddling more costly. Also the PKK and the rest will not stop anyway, they will bust the Turks whenever they want or need to. So it's almost a free range.

What I don't get is, why is Russia not making things harder for Barzani's KRG? And why is Russia not arming the PKK and the Kurds that want to destroy Turkey?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why should Kurds favor Russia? The thing KRG wants the most is the highest possible level of autonomy or independence - and KRG does not have reasons to favor Russia more than America - if history taught Kurds anything, it's that they can't trust their neighboors.

Russia is not  neighbour of KRG, Turkey is. And KRG is inviting Turkey on their territory so they cooperate with someone who can't be trusted .

And the point is not why KRG should favor Russia. The thing is that Russia should not favor KRG in any way.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
US and Israel are not a danger to Kurds.

Not really . US and Israel are allied with Turkey.  Turkey is enemy of Kurds but not of current KRG regime who is also buddy, buddy with IS incidentally.

Also remember that Ocalan was kidnapped with help by Mossad and CIA.

In Russia interests is to support PKK and other anti Turkey kurdish groups ( to make some probs for Erdown), along with most reasonable  elements of YPG (but not on US payroll)  to seal Syrian-Turkish border .

par far wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why should Kurds favor Russia? The thing KRG wants the most is the highest possible level of autonomy or independence - and KRG does not have reasons to favor Russia more than America - if history taught Kurds anything, it's that they can't trust their neighboors. US and Israel are not a danger to Kurds.

Which Kurds we're talking about? KRG's current leadership is sold out to Turkey after they failed to back the Saddam guys after the Shia takeover.
The Syrian Kurds, the PKK in all countries (Turkey, Iran, Syria) are very happy to have the Russians help them especially if that gives them a KRG style area in Turkey. Thing that clearly doesn't help the Syrian affair, but makes  the Turkish meddling more costly. Also the PKK and the rest will not stop anyway, they will bust the Turks whenever they want or need to. So it's almost a free range.

What I don't get is, why is Russia not making things harder for Barzani's KRG? And why is Russia not arming the PKK and the Kurds that want to destroy Turkey?

As I said to Petulant Mustafa, check the ammo and weapons from the latest PKK clips. Iranian ammo, rifles. Russian ammo, scopes, coms.

You need to understand that Russia doesn't want to get tangled with the whole PKK deal. They've managed to help Yemen under the radar with "small" things, No need to show over with PKK. Yet they help. Also even INSIDE the KRG people hate Turkish guts, but they need the dough.