KomissarBojanchev wrote:It was the white bourgeoisie and dvoryans that destroyed russian unity by sending foreign imperialist invaders, allying with the poles, Petlyura, Basmachis and terrorizing the jews and russian peasants. How was the donbass "ukrainized" when practically no one spoke galician during the ussr, and right wing nationalism was strictly punished?
The ussr thought it was doing the ukrainians a favor by promoting their identity towards them, thus strengthining the international sviet alliance and stopping the influence of bandera. And indeed it worked since there was no nationalist feeling in ukraine before 1991 outside of galicia which wasnt soviet initially anyways. So stop spreading the retarded lies of evuhl jew plots against godly russia.
Russophobia in ukraine was strictly a result of antisoviet lies spread by subversive western bourgeois propaganda and NGOs since the 1930s, started by william hearst, the nazis and the pilsudski dictatorship up to the NED in the 90s
Alrighty then, I get it, you are a true believer. And as all true believers eventually learn, there are things and matters where they are very limited and badly outclassed.
No, anti-Russian steering of erstwhile Ruthenians does not start in 1930s, and no, there was no call for foreign aid by "traitorous whites", and for that matter, the foreign assistance was useless or actually detrimental to their cause, because while providing extremely limited benefits it could be easily portrayed by Bolsheviks as foreign invasion. But what I find most amusing is the fact that supposedly pacifist Bolsheviks pulled Russia out of a winning war (if you want to tell me about domestic conditions and homefront, you might want to research conditions in, for example, Austro-Hungary, where sawdust+grape wine residue "bread" became norm and bands of deserters and demobilised soldiers roamed the countryside), signed terrible amnistice, broke up ethnic and historic Russian borders and then proceeded to wage (+civil) wars for the next several years, during which far more people were killed and many more fled than during WW1 in Russia.
And now for the anti-Russian opinion and Ukrainian nationalism. You see, Poles and Habsburgs initially counted on Uniatization to sufficiently distance Ruthenian folk from their Rus kin. That didn't work for everyone. The Habsburgs in second part of 19th century opted to support the spread of all-Ukrainian ideology and nationalism, and direct and indirect suppresion of Russophile idea. II Reich wholeheartedly took to the idea, and furthered it during WW1. Actually, there were ideological predecessors to modern UkrOps fighting in Austro-Hungarian army, in special separate formations, against Russian Empire, reportedly distinguishing themselves. We all know the opinion of III Reich on the matter of Ukrainian nationalism. And we are still talking about Galicia, lands nowhere close to east bank Ukraine.
I would like to ask you, do you know, if you can find such data, where one can first glimpse upon this "historic" Ukrainian identity on official census data? And by what Bolshevik progressive totally not anti-Russian magic did all those Russian inhabitants of Ukrainian SSR disappear, when one compares last imperial census of the area and all those following Soviet ones?
The only thing one has to remember is that people inhabiting Rostov, Kuban and various Siberian areas have plenty in common with modern Ukrainians yet somehow didn't become so vehemently anti-Russian. By all accounts, anti-Russian sentiment today is spread far further than just "non-Soviet Galicia", and even includes many areas and cities founded by Russians and with a Russian majority at the beginning of 20th century. We all know during which time the foundations for that were laid. You have a funny and amazingly ironic avatar, btw., for an "internationalist" truebeliever, but the Volga parts are missing. I couldn't resist, being called out.
I read it again, and laughed out loud. "No nationalist feelings outside Galicia" until 1990s. Suuuuure. Events of 1991, 2004 and 2014 really prove your point, notwithstanding all those nice "soft" UkrOp decisions, rehabilitations, language, media and history shenanigans.