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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:07 pm

    I would add, western companies don't normally allow third party upgrades full stop so it's not normally an option. They have even caused problems within themselves when European missiles want to be integrated into USA systems or other European aircraft. It's company politics.

    There is so much red tape with western equipment and u never really own it, because if u want to sell it off as it gets old u still need to seek permission.

    You also have to remember the cost, maintenance, and fit for purpose aspects. As well what u already have. If you have been operating Soviet systems turning to buy modern Russian equipment would be easier to integrate, maintain, as well as training, and modern Russian equipment can accommodate Soviet systems. But changing to western equipment is a whole new learning curve, increased risk of accidents as well. Same goes for Chinese equipment.

    The costs of western equipment is far more expensive than Russian and Chinese equipment. And going back to fit for purpose will have a major deciding factor. I remember the tender for Thai armed forces requirement for transport helicopters. They chose mi-8 over the black hawk, because it was cheaper and bigger, and easier and cheaper to maintain.

    And we all know about the west using expensive javelin missiles against mud huts in Afghanistan, pure overkill, while Soviet and Russian systems would have been cheaper option such as SPG-9, sagger, fagot, konkurs, etc. It's why the Afghani army were still using and being trained on SPG-9 the training was being provided by Ex Soviet countries, Poland and Mongolian troops.

    The thing I like about Russia's offerings on arms is that they have something for every type of threat and for every budget. Whether it's new modern Russian systems or upgraded Soviet systems they tick all the boxes. The west don't have such offerings. It's expensive new equipment or expensive second hand equipment that both come with red tape.

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Most advanced American fighter is cancelled and declared expensive rubbish... so they are going back to planes from the 1970s...

    I wonder if the Su-75 would inspire the Americans to try to do the same with the F-22...
    AESA has been offered for the MIG 29 UPG. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O_AaDV71Z1c/V2MfedThVsI/AAAAAAAAK7c/_thnTc2gykIXnyf1K6q27Sar_DXbYau3gCLcB/s1600/Phazatron%2BJSC%2527s%2BZHUK-AE%2BFGA-35%2BAESA-MMR%2Bproposed%2Bfor%2BTejas%2BMk2%2BMRCA.jpg
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:28 am

    The thing is that the problem for them is that no one is buying them so they don't produce them... so there is no experience beyond prototypes... it is when something is put into production that new more efficient ways of making them are developed, and they get smaller and cheaper and more powerful and more effective.

    Over time and use and experience you start expanding performance and improving performance but these things don't happen quickly in the lab.

    In the lab new software can be developed to give new functions and new performances but they can only be developed so far in a lab... it is not just production, but the money generated with the first sales that allow improvements and refinements in the design and performance as well as in production.

    Case in point there was Mine warfare boats they were making.... the first one took 30 days for the main super structure to be put together because it was a lot of pieces moulded and joined together with resins. After they made the first one and went through the actual process of making one they found so many short cuts they could take, so many things they did one at a time in order to make sure it worked properly that the second boat they did it took three days, now that is not going to happen every time but when working with new technology you do everything carefully and in order, but once you have them in production you can work out ways of speeding everything up dramatically and also improving production quality and handling so you end up with fewer dud elements.

    They put PESA radars in service in the 1970s and that was a dramatic step forward in radar technology because electronic beam scanning is a core advantage of AESA radars... as shown by the performance of the F-14A whose famous test example of shooting down 6 targets at different speeds  and different distances all at one time. With a mechanically scanned radar though all six targets had an altitude difference of about 510m to get a scan rate high enough to keep track of the targets during the engagement.

    The MiG-31 with its PESA radar used simpler more basic SALH missiles but could kill targets at any angle or altitude because electronic scanning is fast and covers the entire field of view of the radar.

    Of course now the Russian AF is buying MiG-35s it is getting funding and will get experience it needs to get better and for production of modules to improve and get cheaper over time.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:31 am

    Highly likely India to purchase Su-75 best option on the table.
    I don't fully agree with everything said. But points such as the tejas was only ever designed for a support aircraft. And costs for 83 Tejas @ $6.58bn shows it isn't as cheap as India was making out, costing $79mn each. Didn't agree with the poor Russian engines and electrics. Agreed that Indian air force is in dire need of replacement and their homegrown future aircraft will take decades.

    https://eurasiantimes.com/su-75-checkmate-high-possibility-that-indian-air-force-will-opt-for-russian-stealth-jets-over-rafales-gripens-top-analyst/?amp

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    Post  Lurk83 Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:35 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:Highly likely India to purchase Su-75 best option on the table.
    I don't fully agree with everything said. But points such as the tejas was only ever designed for a support aircraft. And costs for 83 Tejas @ $6.58bn shows it isn't as cheap as India was making out, costing $79mn each. Didn't agree with the poor Russian engines and electrics. Agreed that Indian air force is in dire need of replacement and their homegrown future aircraft will take decades.

    https://eurasiantimes.com/su-75-checkmate-high-possibility-that-indian-air-force-will-opt-for-russian-stealth-jets-over-rafales-gripens-top-analyst/?amp

    Seems like, unless they change their minds about su-57, su-75 is the only real chance India has of getting a stealth plane in the next 30 years.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:27 am

    You are forgetting that the Su-75 is a funded aircraft... how do the UAE feel about India... maybe they might say no... maybe Pakistan might get some Su-75s, paid for by Saudi Arabia...

    They might welcome the extra revenue.... it will be their aircraft so they will benefit if it is a massive export success, but equally they might use the aircraft as a weapon to prop up friendly countries and to punish or control others....
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:You are forgetting that the Su-75 is a funded aircraft... how do the UAE feel about India... maybe they might say no... maybe Pakistan might get some Su-75s, paid for by Saudi Arabia...

    They might welcome the extra revenue.... it will be their aircraft so they will benefit if it is a massive export success, but equally they might use the aircraft as a weapon to prop up friendly countries and to punish or control others....

    Has it been definitely confirmed UAE is funding it? Or Saudi?

    And UAE may want further customers to reduce costs.

    All I have seen is that Russia intends it to be for export, African countries, Vietnam, India, Argentina, Algeria. may find customers in ex Soviet countries.

    I wonder if this will end up like the mig-29k. Other countries pay for R&D and Russia ends up using a few years later lol.
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    Post  Lurk83 Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:07 pm

    Does one country funding/partially funding it really mean they have the kibosh on who gets to buy it?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:26 am

    Has it been definitely confirmed UAE is funding it? Or Saudi?

    Hard to say... the rumour was always that it was the UAE but also the rumour was that it was with MiG.

    For all we know it might have started with MiG but the plane the UAE wanted would be different from the plane the Russian military wanted, so the prototype MiG showed of their light single engined fighter looked a lot like a LIFT, which might be exactly what the VKS want... they have a solid air defence network... they might just want a cheap simple light numbers plane that can carry an airborne AESA radar around the plane and ground based radars and SAM sites can supplement their fire power/situational awareness of their air space.

    The twin engined carrier plane is likely what their twin engined land based alternative would look like too but it might be bigger and heavier and not as cheap to operate as the MiG-35 is, so they might want a smaller lighter cheaper 5th gen light fighter and go with a drone support model like the one shown for land and sea based support.

    That single engined MiG might have wing tip and 10 under wing pylons for carrying light weapons like 250kg guided bombs or the normal load of AAMs for use when stealth is no longer a priority and it needs to be a bomb truck.

    And UAE may want further customers to reduce costs.

    That is true but it also might be them trying to get into the aerospace industry to build planes and therefore countries also building their own aircraft would be competition... did they have Indian pilots in the advert?

    All I have seen is that Russia intends it to be for export, African countries, Vietnam, India, Argentina, Algeria. may find customers in ex Soviet countries.

    If it is cheap enough countries like Turkey might consider it, ... if it is as cheap as they suggest a lot of countries currently operating F-16s might jump at the chance to buy it... Venezuela and Turkey and even Pakistan.... but if Pakistan buys it will India still want it?

    Politics is complex is it not?

    I wonder if this will end up like the mig-29k. Other countries pay for R&D and Russia ends up using a few years later lol.

    If it proves to work as advertised they might buy some, but I think the focus of design from the actual customer might not suit the Russian military and vice versa...

    This looks like a very good aircraft.

    Does one country funding/partially funding it really mean they have the kibosh on who gets to buy it?

    Yes. You will not see China or Pakistan being able to buy any Brahmos missiles any time soon because although it is essentially a modified Yakhont Russian missile, the result is part Indian and they get a say as to who can or cannot buy it.

    It would be the same here... but obviously it really depends who is funding it.

    Imagine if it is Israel... Twisted Evil

    They have tried the F-35 and realised that super expensive stealth is not affordable, but cheap simple stealth is much much more valuable... would the US let them take parts from the F-22 and build a new F-11? (F-22 with only one engine)... no way.

    Should be interesting... it seems to tick all the boxes and extra boxes for the Russian military because it uses already developed parts but it will need new internal bits... they could keep the cockpit, but new software and displays...
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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:46 pm

    HAL orders 99 F404 engines to support Tejas production

    Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has signed a $716 million order with GE Aviation covering 99 F404-GE-IN20 engines to power its Tejas Mk-1 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

    That's $7.2 MN per engine. So India doesn't produce its own engine, for it's so called made in India homegrown aircraft. I still think a joint project would have been better. Would have resulted in better aircraft, in service date would have been years earlier, and they would have saved a shitload of money.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/hal-orders-99-f404-engines-to-support-tejas-production/145127.article

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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:53 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:HAL orders 99 F404 engines to support Tejas production

    Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has signed a $716 million order with GE Aviation covering 99 F404-GE-IN20 engines to power its Tejas Mk-1 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

    That's $7.2 MN per engine. So India doesn't produce its own engine, for it's so called made in India homegrown aircraft. I still think a joint project would have been better. Would have resulted in better aircraft, in service date would have been years earlier, and they would have saved a shitload of money.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/hal-orders-99-f404-engines-to-support-tejas-production/145127.article

    Joint project with who ? Tejas was a project for a very light and very small fighter. No one produced anything similar since the start of tejas until today.

    I doubt they would have found a partner.

    For the engine they should have bought the production line of the rd-33 mig-29's engine and made the aircraft around it. Better than now be dependant on US for spare parts.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:08 am

    Isos wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:HAL orders 99 F404 engines to support Tejas production

    Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has signed a $716 million order with GE Aviation covering 99 F404-GE-IN20 engines to power its Tejas Mk-1 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

    That's $7.2 MN per engine. So India doesn't produce its own engine, for it's so called made in India homegrown aircraft. I still think a joint project would have been better. Would have resulted in better aircraft, in service date would have been years earlier, and they would have saved a shitload of money.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/hal-orders-99-f404-engines-to-support-tejas-production/145127.article

    Joint project with who ? Tejas was a project for a very light and very small fighter. No one produced anything similar since the start of tejas until today.

    I doubt they would have found a partner.

    For the engine they should have bought the production line of the rd-33 mig-29's engine and made the aircraft around it. Better than now be dependant on US for spare parts.  


    The Tejas origins go back as far the 1980's are you telling nobody had produce a light strike/fighter since hmmmmm many have been made since. So plenty of opportunity.

    India waste shitloads of time and money. They would have been quicker and cheaper to buy aircraft from someone else. MIG or Yak could have easily done a joint project. Even the yak-130 India could have joined the program, and created a variant with a single more Powerful engine, and would have gotten production rights, they would by now has saved loads of money and time, and have more aircraft in service. While Russia would have still had s trainer light fighter, and both countries could have exported the Indian variant which may have attracted ex cis or African, south American customers. A faster yak-130 with a single engine maybe have seen export success.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:05 pm

    That raises a problem for the Su-75... I doubt the country paying for it would want India to produce their own.... it cuts in to the profits and reduces home production numbers...

    The Tegas isn't a bad looking plane but I think they have made to too complex and expensive for what it is supposed to be... a cheap light numbers plane that can carry AAMs and bombs to fill the gaps of older aircraft as they retire.

    I do honestly think a medium plane that is more capable makes more sense however... having a MiG-29M and MiG-35 mix of cheaper to buy and operate and more expensive to buy but cheaper to operate than heavy Flanker types... you have more growth potential for a MiG sized aircraft, or you can leave it as it is and keep it cheap... both are fully multirole and can replace Jaguar and MiG-27 and MiG-21 types in the light strike and interception and dogfight roles....
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    Post  Isos Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:04 pm

    The Tejas origins go back as far the 1980's are you telling nobody had produce a light strike/fighter since hmmmmm many have been made since. So plenty of opportunity.

    No one. Only plane that has similar caracteristics is f-16 and mirage 2000 but they are not cheap. Neither is tejas frankly speaking.

    But no similar program has been made.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:41 pm

    Isos wrote:
    The Tejas origins go back as far the 1980's are you telling nobody had produce a light strike/fighter since hmmmmm many have been made since. So plenty of opportunity.

    No one. Only plane that has similar caracteristics is f-16 and mirage 2000 but they are not cheap. Neither is tejas frankly speaking.

    But no similar program has been made.

    Iranian kowsar and South Korean T-50 is not so far different to the Indian Tejas is far too expensive for what it is. Even Iran managed to produce the kowsar quicker than India producing Tejas. So there is two examples, so the tejas isn't the ONLY aircraft of its kind built since 1980. Tejas is already outdated. And Iran and south Korean didn't waste billions over 30yrs like India did. South Korea have selling their T-50 while India struggle to produce nevermind sell on export market, nobody had shown interest in the Tejas. China also has the The Hongdu JL-10 also known as the L-15 Falcon. And I am pretty sure Chinese L-15 is cheaper than Tejas and some countries have shown interest in the Chinese aircraft. Also in 20yrs India has managed 37 aircraft. And the first batch cost Indian tax payers around $79mn per aircraft. Even now around $42mn per aircraft which is already outdated.

    Once checkmate comes out Tejas will end up as a trainer and India will reduce its capabilities to make it cheaper and save face of its made in India slogan although parts from the aircraft contain many foreign parts including the engine. And India will end up buying checkmate a better aircraft for cheaper or at least the same cost.

    Tejas was a good idea in the 1980's early 1990's. But now it's a glorified trainer. I wouldn't be surprised if Tejas 2 gets shelved and checkmate gets bought. India has waste too much tax payers money.

    India got it right with the Su-30mki project with Russia. A great platform which can receive modern upgrades.
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    Post  Finty Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:24 am

    https://eurasiantimes.com/1st-time-ever-japans-desperate-call-to-indian-air-force-for-joint-drills-with-su-30mki-fighter-jets/?amp

    In November 2019, Japan and India agreed, among other things, to conduct their first joint fighter jet exercise. However, it kept getting postponed due to the pandemic.

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    Almost two years down the line, the growing Chinese threat is making Japan anxious. The country is keen than ever to engage in a military exercise with Indian Air Force’s Su-30MKI fighter jets.

    Ever-Growing Chinese Threats
    Japan is among the many neighbors that China has territorial disputes with. The former is also concerned about Chinese activity in the Taiwan Strait.

    Beijing is taking an increasingly hardline stand on absorbing Taiwan, which is just over 100 km from Japan-controlled Senkaku/Diaoyu islands. China also lays claim to this area and sends its military aircraft or naval vessels near the islands on a regular basis.

    China’s TB-001 drone. (via Japan Air Self-Defense Force)
    The other cause of concern is China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) drones prowling the skies above the East China Sea and the Miyako Strait, which lies southwest of the Japanese Okinawa island.

    Japan has intercepted three drones in three days recently – a Tengoen TB-001 Scorpion MALE on August 24, followed by a Harbin BZK-005 MALE drone the next day and then another TB-001 the day after that.

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    On August 25 and 26, the drones were even accompanied by China’s Shaanxi Y-9J spy planes.

    Primarily, the BZK-005 are long-range ISR (Intelligence, Survey and Reconnaissance) drones that can fly for 40 hours straight. The pictures that the Japanese Air Force released show more recent configurations on the planes than previously known- there was a random under its nose and an under-fuselage optics turret too.

    China’s Shaanxi Y-9J spy plane. (via Japan Air Self-Defense Force)
    The larger TB-001 Scorpion is also a long-endurance drone with a twin-boom tail. It is an armed drone capable of carrying several weapons in its underwing hardpoints.

    Both drones enhance China’s ability to efficiently collect intelligence around the Indo-Pacific area. It might even point towards some new naval movement pattern.

    The PLA’s growing unmanned aircraft capabilities, especially in a body of water that is immensely strategically crucial in terms of maritime passages, is worrying for Japan, and other states in the region.

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    Japan’s Need For Joint Drills With India
    Japan and India have held multiple drills involving warships, land-based forces, and transport aircraft. However, an exercise using fighter jets is yet to happen between the two countries.

    India Air Force Su-30 MKI jets.
    If the planned exercise did happen, it would involve IAF’s Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters, jointly developed by Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

    A multirole fighter jet with a range of 3,000 km, the Su-30MKI has a maximum speech of Mach 1.9. The Su-30MKI is armed with a 30mm Gsh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds of ammunition.

    The aircraft features 12 hardpoints capable of carrying external stores of up to 8t. The aircraft can launch a range of air-to-surface missiles, including Kh-29L/T/TYe, Kh-31A/P, Kh-59M, and Nirbhay.

    Japan is likely to deploy its F-15J fighter jets for the drills. They have a maximum speed of 2.5 Mach and come with a 20mm class machine gun, 4 air-to-air radar missiles, and air-to-air infrared missiles.

    An Indian Air Force Su-30MKI launching a BrahMos long-range missile that hit a target 4,000 km away. (via Twitter)
    This would be Japan’s first time training with a fighter of Russian design — something Japan is keenly looking forward to since China also uses the Su-30 fighter and a host of other Russian-origin, re-engineered jets.

    Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun revealed the two countries had initially planned to hold an exercise involving the JASDF’s F-2 jets at the Hyakuri base in July, which was dropped due to the second wave of COVID-19 in India.

    Exercising with the Indian jets can help Japan become familiar with the basic capabilities of the Su-30 family and could turn out to be priceless information in case a close-range or long-range air-to-air combat breaks out with China.

    Additionally, the Japanese Defense Ministry recently confirmed that “the number of scrambles in response to Chinese fighter jets has increased enormously and the pace is quickening.”

    Scrambles by Japanese fighter jets against Chinese aircraft have surged since 2012 when Tokyo brought the Senkaku Islands under state control.

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    The number of scrambles by Japanese fighter jets, which peaked at 900 / year during the height of Cold War, dwindled following the fall of the USSR. However, Japan scrambled its fighter jets a record 1,168 times, of which 851 were against Chinese aircraft.

    Japan uses Mitsubishi F-15J/Kai aircraft, F-2 multirole jets, a Mitsubishi license-produced variant of F-16, and F-4EJ/RF-4 Phantom II aircraft for intercepts.

    Going by the frequent aerial confrontations with China and a possible encounter with Russian-origin S-30 Jes, Japan’s enthusiasm towards drills with Indian fighter jets appears very natural.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:19 pm

    NEW DELHI — The Indian government on Wednesday approved a procurement request for 56 C295 transport aircraft from Airbus Defence and Space in Spain, under which 40 military planes will be manufactured in India by local firm Tata Group.

    The approval was granted Sept. 8 by the Indian government’s apex armament clearance body, the Cabinet Committee on Security, which is led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. This is the first project of its kind in which a military aircraft will be manufactured in India under technology transfer by a private company, according to Ministry of Defence release.

    A $2.5 billion contract is to be signed with Airbus next month, under which the original equipment manufacturer will directly supply 16 military aircraft, and the remaining 40 will be manufactured in India by Tata Group subsidiary Tata Advanced Systems Limited, or TASL, said an MoD official.

    A separate $500 million contract is to be signed later with TASL for performance-based life cycle product support of the Indian Air Force’s C295 fleet, he added.

    “The project will augment domestic aviation manufacturing resulting in reduced import dependence and expected increase in exports,” the MoD release read.

    The MoD had issued a global tender for 56 military transport aircraft in May 2013, and only Airbus Defence and Space submitted a bid, with potential competitor Antonov Design Bureau of Ukraine pulling out at the last minute due to Russian sanctions that interrupted its supply chain.

    All 56 C295 aircraft will be inducted into the Air Force within the next 10 years. They are meant to replace 59 obsolete Avro HS 748 aircraft manufactured by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, a service official said.

    The C295 procurement was delayed by more than three years over price negotiations, the localization on Indian-made aircraft, offsets and performance-based logistics issues.

    “All issues have been settled now,” the MoD official said.

    A senior executive at TASL, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the individual was not authorized to speak to the media, said the company will establish a dedicated maintenance, repair, and operations and manufacturing facility in Bangalore, southern India, in the next two years. He refused to share further details.

    Airbus executives in New Delhi would not comment for this story.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:37 pm

    An Indian Air Force Su-30MKI launching a BrahMos long-range missile that hit a target 4,000 km away. (via Twitter)

    Wait... what?

    Even if you include a 3,000km range flight of the Flanker that is still bullshit.. Brahmos can't reach more than about 5-600km or so at best and in doing so it will be flying high all the way.

    Japan is interested in getting some training experience with Su-30MKIs is interesting and not a huge surprise.

    Regarding small cheap fighters for many years various countries have suggested Lead In Fighter Trainers be given more powerful engines and better radars and made into light cheap numbers fighters... which sounds great in theory but most are already 20 million plus per airframe... when you add a decent radar and self defence avionics suite then you are actually spending more on your cheap light short range fighter (the bigger engine often makes them supersonic but their small size means it makes them even shorter ranged platforms) is suddenly no cheaper than a decent Russian medium fighter like a MiG-29M but rather less capable with less fuel and less weapons and less speed.

    In the past superpowers have dropped the light fighter because a bit more range and performance was always more efficient where you could use one medium fighter instead of two cheaper but less capable fighters.

    Well in this day and age of IADS with SAM sites and networked in army formations fighters don't need to be big and fast and powerful... very few fighters actually go faster than the speed of sound because it requires a lot of time flying straight and level in full AB rapidly burning up fuel to get to a speed that to maintain burns too much fuel for it to be viable... any manouvers and you are back to subsonic again without a lot of benefit except that now you need to refuel.

    As such a small light cheap numbers fighter that carries a decent little AESA radar and decent and capable AAMs and modern capable air to ground munitions, that is linked in to the local network with a decent IRST and EO system... perhaps even an external targeting pod becomes something very desirable to fill gaps with capable systems. Two seat versions could be used for flight training or controlling large numbers of drones... with TVC it could be nimble and very capable in a gun fight and with decent EW equipment could be a difficult target to put down.

    It does not need an enormous payload nor a huge flight range, but it needs to be affordable to buy in huge numbers and operate in huge numbers...

    The Su-75 sounds excellent in that regard, but a big 18 ton thrust engine sounds expensive on its own... a perhaps 12 ton thrust 5th gen engine based on upgrades to the RD-33 on the other hand would be ideal for a much lighter aircraft.

    I does not need to be a super plane.... they can make MiG-35s in numbers to operate with this smaller lighter single engined fighter, but anyone who knows about net centric systems the more nodes you have with sensors collecting information about the enemy and their disposition and also carrying weapons that can help deal with large volumes of enemy like an enemy swarm or cruise missile swarm... imagine a light MiG single engined fighter with four wing pylons carrying 80mm rocket pods with optically guided 80mm rockets each able to destroy an incoming HATO cruise missile... 80 rockets plus internal cannon and internally carried weapons of other types like Verba or Hermes or Pine.

    Having a squadron of four Flankers would be good but 16 MiG-35s or 24 of these new light MiGs would make a serious difference as to how many targets they can shoot down and also how many they can spot and track for other platforms around them to engage them too.

    With 24 light MiGs then batteries of S-350 could engage from out of sight line with the targets themselves.... even old SA-3s with some minor upgrades are excellent for low flying targets and cheap and available still in fairly huge numbers....
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    Post  Pinto Yesterday at 6:28 pm

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    Its an old deal being ready for execution now where 27 old French mirages fighters were bought for 27 million euro, 8 of them are in ready to fly condition but might need upgrade rest will be used for spares

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